benitez vs hagler

bobbyd · Post by **bobbyd** » 23 Jun 2007, 19:47

this is a rather tricky and thought provoking one but i seriously think that benitez had just the right style to outpoint hagler.duran had hag outpointed after 12,but was then just a bit too tired to maintain the lead.Benitez,being a bigger stronger fighter than duran,plus a trickier boxer would'nt have tired if it were a 15 rounder,nor would he have gotten caught by hagler.He thouroughly outboxed duran relatively easily in they're 15 rd 1982 clash.
I'd say that benitez would win this one by 15 rd ud by scores of 145-142,145-143,and 145-141.Even though it would probably look more like a 149-143 type of deal.

kovit · Post by **kovit** » 23 Jun 2007, 22:56

Benitez beating Hagler by ud15? Bullshit! Benitez's prime weight is 140 or 147 lbs and if he ever fight Hagler at the 160lbs fight, Benitez maybe tricky and slippery, but Hagler would eventually knocks him out in the early rounds or the late rounds.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 23 Jun 2007, 23:05

kovit.....I agree

bobbyd · Post by **bobbyd** » 24 Jun 2007, 00:35

duran,a natural Lwt and 5'7 with a 66" reach moved up to mdwt and had hagler on points after 12.Benitez and duran at jr mdwt was practically a mismatch in terms of boxing skills and duran had enough to keep hagler at bay and on the verge of losing a decision.had it been now(12rounders only),duran would be the victor over big bad hagler.Benitez moving up to jr.middle from welter made him bigger,stronger and just as fast.so,how would another few pounds make him all of a sudden a small mdwt compared to hagler?benitez was 5'10,hagler was 5'9 1/2".And look how well little itty bitty vito who had virtually no legitimate boxing skills was able to hold his own with the ploddish hagler,who instead of offering benitez a shot(calling him out and such like boxers do),he opted instead to fight bums like obljimas,caveman lee,tony sibson and that other jokester "what's his name".."Gosh,i lose my memory when it gets late!"
Hamani!!Lucif Hamani.My GOD!what a freakin bum!Benitez or even little duran or little slow no power vito woulda iced that guy in 1 or 2 rounds!The way hagler's team picked these jokester characters instead of calling out Benitez just has "we didnt want to take a chance" written all the hell over the hagler trilogy in my book!

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 24 Jun 2007, 00:39

interesting take. I think Hagler was a bit psyched by Duran. Your points are not unreasonable...I'm just not buyin. And I'm not sure Benitez didn't just have the fight of his life with Duran. But you make your case....to some degree.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 24 Jun 2007, 11:14

.And look how well little itty bitty vito who had virtually no legitimate boxing skills was able to hold his own with the ploddish hagler,who instead of offering benitez a shot(calling him out and such like boxers do),he opted instead to fight bums like obljimas,caveman lee,tony sibson and that other jokester "what's his name".."Gosh,i lose my memory when it gets late!"
Hamani!!Lucif Hamani.My GOD!what a freakin bum!Benitez or even little duran or little slow no power vito woulda iced that guy in 1 or 2 rounds!The way hagler's team picked these jokester characters instead of calling out Benitez just has "we didnt want to take a chance" written all the hell over the hagler trilogy in my book!

Well it is about time that somone else sees the BS of the Hagler MW reign. Benitez probaly would have made him look even more foolish than Leonard did.

Plodding stumbling southpaw Hagler...

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 24 Jun 2007, 12:06

Lefty's......can't live with em' can't shoot em'.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 24 Jun 2007, 16:20

Hagler would win, but I think it would have been good to see, just in that it would have been a true five way rivalry instead of a four way rivalry... Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Hagler all fought, Benitez fought all of them except for Hagler.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 Jun 2007, 18:22

Benitez had no power at 160... look at what happend when he fought Hamsho.... Hagler would most likely steam roll him. Duran did well against Hagler because he still had decent power and strength at that weight (look how he brawled toe to toe with Barkley at 37!)
Benitez was just too 'small' for middleweight...

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 24 Jun 2007, 22:33

Benitez greatest strengths were his speed and movement at 160 he wasn't that strong and didn't punch that hard with the weight im sure he would be also slowed down Hagler in 6 or 7..

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 24 Jun 2007, 23:32

That would be 20 pounds over Benitez' natural weight class. He might make Marvelous looked foolish a little bit, but I think Marvin would find the answer and win by late KO.

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 25 Jun 2007, 11:43

Hagler would kayo Benitez around four rounds.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 25 Jun 2007, 12:56

Benitez should have been able to gradually grow into a very good middleweight. He was already proved that he could fight at 154 when he was only 24. Had he been more disciplined he probably could have stayed at 154 for a couple of more years, then fight at 160 for a few fights before taking on Hagler around 1985-1986. He probably would have given Hagler a lot of trouble.

However, Benitez lacked the discipline and didn't have as great of a career as he could have. Going by what really happened, Hagler would have destroyed Benitez. The welterweight/Jr Middleweight Benitez would have lasted longer against Hagler than the middleweight Benitez that we saw.

bobbyd · Post by **bobbyd** » 29 Jun 2007, 01:27

Okay then.With that said.Let's look at it this way then.The jr mdwt version of benitez only needed to drink a 16oz glass of water to weigh 155 and therefore qualify for a mdwt title bout.That IS what you only need weigh for mdwt!
Look at Duran.A natural lightweight and a great one no doubt!At welter,
The guy was kinda pushin it being 5'7 with a 66" reach.But yeah.The one super great fight he had in 6/80 and then,just 3 months later,Kaput!
Then he came back after nearly a whole year off and due to his extreme lack of control with his food addictions,had to push and struggle through his obviously limited discipline boundaries and settle and compromise on a newly formed jr mdwt version of his once very lean and mean package.
Success of course came at this weight but the hungry beasts belly could wait no more and 2 years later it was time for a very small but very determined mdwt duran to emerge and take on Big Bad Hagler.
And so with that said,Besides the fact of Benitez soundly wupping a newly formed and surging Duran in 1982,Just the plain simple fact that we're talking about a fighter that Duran had absolutely nothing to be ashamed of being thoughorly outclassed by.Plain and simply,a very slick,strong and resiliant overwhelmingly superior adversary in Benitez.Who,that night,only needed to drink a glass or two of water to weigh in at the mdwt minimum of 155 instead of fighting Duran,in order to do his thing that very same night on The Mighty... but obviously as proven by Duran,the very outpointable Hagler.

Elton John · Post by **Elton John** » 29 Jun 2007, 14:31

Benitez was nothing. Look at Benitez-Duran, the most forgotten superfight of all time.

Did anyone see this fight? I can't believe this bozo has so many people impressed with all his passive performances. He fights the same way he trains-he doesn't.

the real reason he beat Duran is because Roberto didn't put in any effort to win and in the end, the man who did less, lost. Roberto probably threw the fight-that's what happens when you're making it obvious you're letting the other guy win. Now take this same Benitez gets himself nearly shut out by a much shaper, slicker Motor city cobra.

Hagler-Benitez? Who cares? I'm glad this fight wasn't made-he was terrible the way he stood trapped in a corner, his guts liquified by the unpolished Hamsho.

I'll take a good brawler over a good boxer any day.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 29 Jun 2007, 14:56

Elton John wrote:Benitez was nothing. Look at Benitez-Duran, the most forgotten superfight of all time.

Did anyone see this fight? I can't believe this bozo has so many people impressed with all his passive performances. He fights the same way he trains-he doesn't.

the real reason he beat Duran is because Roberto didn't put in any effort to win and in the end, the man who did less, lost. Roberto probably threw the fight-that's what happens when you're making it obvious you're letting the other guy win. Now take this same Benitez gets himself nearly shut out by a much shaper, slicker Motor city cobra.

Hagler-Benitez? Who cares? I'm glad this fight wasn't made-he was terrible the way he stood trapped in a corner, his guts liquified by the unpolished Hamsho.

I'll take a good brawler over a good boxer any day.

Stick to listening to 'candle in the wind' mate... its about as far as your boxing knowledge goes!... 8)

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 30 Jun 2007, 16:09

Benitez would lose but it wouldn't be a blow out. If you think Hagler would KO Benitez in 3-4 rounds you simply don't know much about boxing.

Hagler would manage to win 10-11 rounds in a wide decision or score a late stoppage (13th-14th round) based on activity, but he would by no means blow out Benitez, that's ridiculous.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 30 Jun 2007, 16:53

Alabama_Man wrote:Benitez would lose but it wouldn't be a blow out. If you think Hagler would KO Benitez in 3-4 rounds you simply don't know much about boxing.

Hagler would manage to win 10-11 rounds in a wide decision or score a late stoppage (13th-14th round) based on activity, but he would by no means blow out Benitez, that's ridiculous.

I agree, ...the Benitez who fought Duran would get into the later rounds with Hagler... but a prime Hagler would wear him down eventually...

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 11 Jul 2007, 20:22

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bennie · Post by **bennie** » 12 Jul 2007, 06:25

Benitez fought Mustafa Hamsho in an eliminator to meet Hagler in 1983 and had his arse handed to him (completely outmuscled and outworked over 12 rounds by the strong but limited Hamsho) Benitez looked awful. In my opinion, he was 'shot' after the Hearns fight in 1982. It was a good thing he lost to Hamsho (who in turn was destroyed by Hagler). Marvin would really have hurt a shot Wilfred.

markl · Post by **markl** » 12 Jul 2007, 13:50

This is laughable. Duran was Marvin's first huge event and he wasn't the first guy to be intimidated by the hands of stone.

Wilfred was as slick as they come but he didn't have the strength to keep Hagler off of him nor the aura.

Wilfred would last a bit because of his defensive prowess but I can't see him lasting more then 8 or 9 and I can't see him winning any rounds.

p4p you have yourself a fight

Elton John · Post by **Elton John** » 12 Jul 2007, 19:38

Alabama_Man wrote:Benitez would lose but it wouldn't be a blow out. If you think Hagler would KO Benitez in 3-4 rounds you simply don't know much about boxing.

Hagler would manage to win 10-11 rounds in a wide decision or score a late stoppage (13th-14th round) based on activity, but he would by no means blow out Benitez, that's ridiculous.

no it isn't. NOt if Hagler presses him as I've seen Marvin so often do in the ring.

In fact, Wilfred-O fell apart apart at every opportunity when presented with an opponent who pressured him. Except for Palomin-O who was just a waste of time in boxing.

Look at the evidence going back to the Curry fight. He lost the fight but got the decision. Same with Harold Weston except the decision was a draw. Couldn't give Ray Leonard any kind of a fight because he couldn't match his speed and reflexes. Same with Hitman Hearns. Didn't do shit with Hamsho because he was too petrified with fear to fight back. Can't even blame it on his age because he was only 25 and you can't say he was washed up because he recently lost his title on a decision and officially with two losses.

More evidence: Was squashed by Davey Moore in two because Davey didn't give Wilfred-O a second to "out think" him. Didn't give him time to do anything except fight for his life. And the final bout for him before being sent out to the land of Valhalla for beat up pugs was a masterful slaughter at the hands of Matthew Hilton.

So it's by no means a stretch for anyone to believe Hagler would dispose of the overrated legend who couldn't do much of anything.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 12 Jul 2007, 22:01

Elton John wrote:
Alabama_Man wrote:Benitez would lose but it wouldn't be a blow out. If you think Hagler would KO Benitez in 3-4 rounds you simply don't know much about boxing.

Hagler would manage to win 10-11 rounds in a wide decision or score a late stoppage (13th-14th round) based on activity, but he would by no means blow out Benitez, that's ridiculous.
Except for Palomin-O who was just a waste of time in boxing.

After I read this statement, I knew immediately that you are just stupid and don't know much about boxing. Thanks for saving me the time of reading the rest of your shitty post.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 12 Jul 2007, 22:09

Why are you always trying to make things gay?

Tommy Watson was once the #1 featherweight in the world. Stop being a shithead.

btw, Son of Payton said he banned you because of remarks about Corrales.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 12 Jul 2007, 22:41

Decagon wrote:
Alabama_Man wrote:Why are you always trying to make things gay?

Tommy Watson was once the #1 featherweight in the world. Stop being a shithead.

btw, Son of Payton said he banned you because of remarks about Corrales.
Tommy Watson was NEVER the #1 featherweight in the world. At one time, Ring magazine ranked him the #1 contender at featherweight, but Tommy Farr, Michael Grant and lots of other shitty fighters have held #1 and #2 contenderships by that shitty magazine. Watson proved that the one big win he had was a fluke by never winning a major match again.

Btw, I don't give a shit.

Since when was Tommy Farr a shitty fighter? A guy who has victories over Tommy Loughran, Moody, Gains, and Baer is shitty?

Stop being a shithead. You're making yourself look even dumber with post like the above.

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