Green vs Griffin

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 19 Jun 2007, 10:31

Just a little food for thought:

Although I, like most, was disappointed when Manny Siaca pulled out of his fight with Danny Green, it appears that Green is now actually in with a better opponent.

Griffin is ranked No14 LHW by BoxRec, Siaca is ranked No78! While I think Green would have knocked Siaca out, Griffin I am not so sure about. Green-Siaca would stylistically have been an explosive matchup, Green-Griffin may be less so, but I actually think Griffin has a good chance of beating Green on points. As Markus Beyer proved, it does not take a great boxer to outbox Danny Green. Let's hope Green can win, I will be very disappointed if he does not.

BTW I have not seen Griffin fight, has anyone here?

emile · Post by **emile** » 19 Jun 2007, 10:49

It's hard to know what Griffin will bring. He hasn't been taken very seriously over here, after he won on Oscar De La Hoya's reality show and never capitalized on the little notoreity he got from it.

He had some very close wins against very average competition, but he seems to be getting better. When I've seen him, he's seemed quite average, but I didn't see his last televised fight when he went on the road to Chicago and stopped an undefeated opponent. Since he has never been much of a power puncher, this was a surprising result and gave him the vast bulk of his high ranking. I don't think anyone in the States expects him to win this one, but you never know.

Here's a recap from Fightbeat

The last two rounds between Chicago native Mike Nevitt and Otis Griffin, winner of Oscar De La Hoya’s reality tv show “The Next Great Champ”, were better than anything on HBO has televised this entire year. Nevitt hurt Griffin at the end of round 4, then they traded heavy shots in the 5th, until Nevitt went down from a Griffith overhand right. He barely beat the count, and the bell rang. In the 6th, instead of trying to recover, he went right back at Griffith, landing some nice hooks before Griffin dropped him again. This time the ref waived it off.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 19 Jun 2007, 18:23

I have never seen him fight, so he could well surprise me, however I don't think it is a better fight for Green than taking on a former world champion who also has a victory over Mundine. Even though Siaca has slipped the general Australian public know him for beating Mundine and winning the Title, this means it would be more noteworthy (at least in Australia). No one here knows much about Griffin, I mean the blokes (and gals?) on this forum are probably some of the biggest boxing fans in Aus and we don't know much about him so what hope does the rest of the public have. Hopefully it will be a good contest and one that Green can shine in...

I also hope they stack the undercard to make the whole thing worth while!

ryan711 · Post by **ryan711** » 19 Jun 2007, 18:44

i have seen 2,3 fights.not in greens class.just looks like a easyer fighter with a word rating.i say 6th to 8th green will stop him.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 20 Jun 2007, 05:03

I think this is a harder fight than Siaca, Griffin is a good mover and Green has been beaten by every decent mover he has faced. Siaca will stand and trade and Green will beat anyone in the 175 pound division who will trade punches IMO.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 20 Jun 2007, 05:58

ben k wrote:I think this is a harder fight than Siaca, Griffin is a good mover and Green has been beaten by every decent mover he has faced. Siaca will stand and trade and Green will beat anyone in the 175 pound division who will trade punches IMO.

It may be a harder fight but that doesn't mean it is a better one for Green. Harder and better don't always go hand in hand. I still believe beating Siaca would do more for Green.

Serious question: Does this fight have any eliminator status or is it likely to jump Green in the rankings? If so for which organisation? It seems Briggs will capture the WBA Title (assuming he beats Garay in the up coming eliminator, then beats Drews). It would be huge if Green could snag a Title then the two could unify in Aus!

walford · Post by **walford** » 20 Jun 2007, 06:06

Marlin wrote:
ben k wrote:I think this is a harder fight than Siaca, Griffin is a good mover and Green has been beaten by every decent mover he has faced. Siaca will stand and trade and Green will beat anyone in the 175 pound division who will trade punches IMO.
It may be a harder fight but that doesn't mean it is a better one for Green. Harder and better don't always go hand in hand. I still believe beating Siaca would do more for Green.

Serious question: Does this fight have any eliminator status or is it likely to jump Green in the rankings? If so for which organisation? It seems Briggs will capture the WBA Title (assuming he beats Garay in the up coming eliminator, then beats Drews). It would be huge if Green could snag a Title then the two could unify in Aus!

Still a dream at this stage Marlin. A lot of ifs and if something can fall apart in Australian boxing it generally does

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 20 Jun 2007, 06:12

walford wrote:
Marlin wrote:
ben k wrote:I think this is a harder fight than Siaca, Griffin is a good mover and Green has been beaten by every decent mover he has faced. Siaca will stand and trade and Green will beat anyone in the 175 pound division who will trade punches IMO.
It may be a harder fight but that doesn't mean it is a better one for Green. Harder and better don't always go hand in hand. I still believe beating Siaca would do more for Green.

Serious question: Does this fight have any eliminator status or is it likely to jump Green in the rankings? If so for which organisation? It seems Briggs will capture the WBA Title (assuming he beats Garay in the up coming eliminator, then beats Drews). It would be huge if Green could snag a Title then the two could unify in Aus!
Still a dream at this stage Marlin. A lot of ifs and if something can fall apart in Australian boxing it generally does

Of course you're right mate but when I get an idea I like to run with it, half the fun is figuring out ways to get fights made

A mate and I continue to figure out ways that Green could fight RJJ

Hope is what keeps the sport alive... and who knows one day one of them might just come off :P

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 20 Jun 2007, 06:15

Just another quick question... what does "Triple OG" mean?

When I hear OG I think of the Ice T classic "Original Gangsta"... but I assume thsi has nothing to do with "Triple OG"... :)

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 20 Jun 2007, 06:42

It may be a harder fight but that doesn't mean it is a better one for Green. Harder and better don't always go hand in hand. I still believe beating Siaca would do more for Green.

Serious question: Does this fight have any eliminator status or is it likely to jump Green in the rankings? If so for which organisation? It seems Briggs will capture the WBA Title (assuming he beats Garay in the up coming eliminator, then beats Drews). It would be huge if Green could snag a Title then the two could unify in Aus!

Beating Siaca would definitely do more for Green's reputation, especially seeing as he beat Mundine for the title. However, the two boxers I least want to see Danny Green fight are Anthony Mundine and Paul Briggs. I can understand that Green wants revenge on Mundine, but unless he lands a lucky punch, he will never beat Mundine now. Green-Briggs would be a thriller, both powerful punchers with good chins. However, they are also both nice guys and I think the fight could be permanently damaging for both of them.

Zhuge · Post by **Zhuge** » 20 Jun 2007, 11:12

Griffin has been pretty ordinary so far, but he's still somewhat of a novice in many ways. Prior to the NGC show, he had had something like 10 amateur fights. In the show, he lost in the first round and was bounced from the competition, but was given a second chance when another contestant quit (although, unlike in the Contender, the producers/trainers picked who was to come back instead of the other fighters). In his third fight in the show, he drew with contestant Mohammad Elmahmoud, but again, the producers decided to keep Griffin and eliminate Elmahmoud. He managed to make it to the finals after he stopped Jimmy Mince (the fighter that originally beat him in the first round) and won a controversial (at least according to some) victory over David Pareja. The only guys from that show that have made anything of their careers have been Pareja (who managed to land some fights on some Golden Boy undercards and had one televised fight on Telefutura) and Griffin. Griffin has had a couple of fights televised on Telefutura -- the most recent was a split decision victory over Ernesto Castenada (8-8-1 at the time) last April. We've not been able to see him on TV since then, but he's seemingly improved a lot in the last six months or so, since he's taken on some solid opponents (on paper at least) lately and was impressive according to reports. He's a Golden Boy fighter and is out of Sacramento, so he's worked a lot with the other decent Sacramento fighters (Christian Cruz, Michael Simms, Eric Regan). He passed on a fight that was to be on the undercard of Hopkins-Wright to take this fight. It's probably too much of a step up for him at this point to fight Green, but you have to give him credit for taking a chance. He's a mover, but doesn't have a lot of power, and is still learning in a lot of ways. I also recall him having balance issues in the past, because I know he's been put down on at least a couple of occassions because of being tagged with a solid shot when he didn't have his feet set.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 20 Jun 2007, 18:15

^Thanks for the run down Zhuge

It does sound like this is a pretty big step up for Griffin but passing up a chance on the Wright Hopkins undercard he must think he is in with a shot. In saying that I'm sure Green thinks he has got him covered as well. In the end I just hope it is a good main event on a good card that will hopefully lead to bigger things for Danny...

Do we know what "Triple OG" means yet?

Zhuge · Post by **Zhuge** » 20 Jun 2007, 21:31

Marlin wrote:^Thanks for the run down Zhuge

It does sound like this is a pretty big step up for Griffin but passing up a chance on the Wright Hopkins undercard he must think he is in with a shot. In saying that I'm sure Green thinks he has got him covered as well. In the end I just hope it is a good main event on a good card that will hopefully lead to bigger things for Danny...

Do we know what "Triple OG" means yet?

I think they explained the nickname in the show, but I don't remember what it meant. I'm sure it refers to his name (Otis Griffin), but I'm not sure what else. His personality wasn't one of a "ganster" given that he's a very religious guy (at least he was on the show), however, "Triple OG" is sometimes used in the whole rap/ganster scene (just means a "higher" level of "original ganster").

Also, he used to post quite often on the newmexicoboxing.com website message board.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 20 Jun 2007, 22:07

^Thanks again mate. Hopefully they will explain it when they show the fight here...

JAHamilton77 · Post by **JAHamilton77** » 21 Jun 2007, 22:03

If Green can bring anything he should have no trouble with Griffin.
He is only on the GBP roster because Oscar probably feels obliged.

Zhuge · Post by **Zhuge** » 22 Jun 2007, 18:44

JAHamilton77 wrote:If Green can bring anything he should have no trouble with Griffin.
He is only on the GBP roster because Oscar probably feels obliged.

He's on the roster for winning the show -- the winner had a guaranteed promotional contract (although, I would've expected that would be at an end by now). And, to be honest, he's really doing more fighting under the Don Chargin banner (which is associated with GBP) than GBP itself.

Also, I would say you may be underestimating Griffin a bit -- he's not anything special, but he's made some solid improvements since his NGC days and even over the past 18 months.

GM #1 · Post by **GM #1** » 24 Jun 2007, 03:05

The local paper had it for;
IBF Intercontinental & IBF Pan Pacific- and stated as making GReen #2 if he wins which in effect is the mandatory as IBF doesn't have #1's?!
PABA- will move him up the ratings
IBO Asia Pacific- world title eliminator
As such there is a heap at stake.

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 25 Jun 2007, 02:49

GM #1 wrote:The local paper had it for;
IBF Intercontinental & IBF Pan Pacific- and stated as making GReen #2 if he wins which in effect is the mandatory as IBF doesn't have #1's?!
PABA- will move him up the ratings
IBO Asia Pacific- world title eliminator
As such there is a heap at stake.

Green V woods could be an intresting scrap

next_gr8 · Post by **next_gr8** » 26 Jun 2007, 02:59

Zhuge wrote:
JAHamilton77 wrote:If Green can bring anything he should have no trouble with Griffin.
He is only on the GBP roster because Oscar probably feels obliged.
He's on the roster for winning the show -- the winner had a guaranteed promotional contract (although, I would've expected that would be at an end by now). And, to be honest, he's really doing more fighting under the Don Chargin banner (which is associated with GBP) than GBP itself.

Also, I would say you may be underestimating Griffin a bit -- he's not anything special, but he's made some solid improvements since his NGC days and even over the past 18 months.

I was a crew member on the set of "TNGC". I've been a fan of the kid ever since. He has something about him that you feel when he enters the room. I watched him train every day on set. Green is going to have to dig deep. His web site gives some info wwwotisgriffin.net . I'm looking forward to this. Can we get the fight on Main Event PPV. in the states?

GM #1 · Post by **GM #1** » 26 Jun 2007, 19:29

next gr8 show won't be going live to USA but I know Greens camp and they are trying to sell the replay.

Give us more info on Griffin re style, strengths, weaknesses? Very little of him is known in Oz?

next_gr8 · Post by **next_gr8** » 26 Jun 2007, 22:27

GM #1 wrote:next gr8 show won't be going live to USA but I know Greens camp and they are trying to sell the replay.

Give us more info on Griffin re style, strengths, weaknesses? Very little of him is known in Oz?

He has fight footage @ wwwotisgriffin.net. Just watching him as a begining pro he is very strong. He walks through must body shots and is hard to find very active. Lou Duva calls him a lil Holyfield. His condition and heart is best assets. I have seen him get caught by flash knockdowns early in his career but he went on to win by KO; so I think it was mostly a balance thing. I noticed that he doesn't have a signature style. There have been fights where he goes to war like Evander and others when he's used his legs and jab like Ali. He's got alot of physical ability but still very green. He does show moments of greatness, and that's why I would not take him lightly.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 17 Jul 2007, 07:04

Both fighters weighed in today, Green right on 175 and Griffin 174.
Should be an interesting fight and im thinking there might be an upset.
Griffin SD

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 17 Jul 2007, 07:49

Official weights

Green 79.0 Griffin 78.5
Kickett 58.9 Dulog 58.3
Adam Wills 63.3 Milner 65.5
Bryant 70.7 Seran 72.7
Steven Wills 66.5 Claude 66.1

Note: Langham is not fighting Milner & never was. Due to bugs I'm unable to edit BoxRec schedule.

Green vs. Griffin is NOT an official IBO world title eliminator nor is it for vacant IBF Intercontinental title as reported

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 17 Jul 2007, 18:46

ben k wrote:Both fighters weighed in today, Green right on 175 and Griffin 174.
Should be an interesting fight and im thinking there might be an upset.
Griffin SD

How can you call yourself a West Australian!?! :P

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 18 Jul 2007, 03:24

I really want Green to win, but if Griffin has a decent chin and knows how to move, he could well take a clear points victory.

I'd love to see Green win by KO though!