I mean only decent fighters, not very good/ great fighters or so...
Steve Hamas
Franco DePiccoli
Kallie Knoetze
Elmer Ray
Bernardo Mercado
Isidoro Gastanaga
George Godfrey
Turkey Thompson
Cleveland Williams
Hein ten Hoff
Charley Retzlaff
Fred Fulton
Mac Foster
Lem Franklin
Al Kaufman
Tommy Gomez
Al Migliorato
Soldier Kearns
Jim Coffey
Name some others...
Some underrated and almost unknown HW punchers
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Thunder and Lightning
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Thunder and Lightning wrote:I wouldn't call Clevland Williams either underrated or unknown.
He´s well-known, but he was at the best mediocre IMO, and I have a lof fights from him, he is only lucky that he fought at the most overrated HW era ever... he´s at the same level like a Tommy Gomez, Fred Fulton, Al Kaufmann, etc., George Godfrey was a very good fighter who don´t belong to this list normally...
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Collins2000
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Though most of these guys that I am mentioning were pretty well known heavyweights during their days in the ring, they were among the hardest-hitting fighters, P4P, in the history of the sport.
Pat Killen----Pre-1900 heavyweight who carried dynamite in his fists and a fighter that made John L. Sullivan nervous!.
Peter Maher----P4P top 20 all-time puncher! He was quite successful regardless of the fact that other than carrying a KO wallop in either hand he also carried a chin that was about as fragile as it gets. Just looking at his record it is pretty easy to see that he was a very exciting fighter! The kind who either knocked out, or got knocked out! Whenever he fought one thing was nearly certain…someone was getting knocked out!
“Bombardier” Billy Wells----See comments above because Wells was the same kind of fighter as Maher…he either KO’d his opponent, or was put to sleep himself. Whatever the result a fight that he was in was sure to be exciting!
Lem Franklin----Eddie Blunt said that Franklin hit him harder than Joe Louis ever did.
Tommy Gomez---Was P4P one of the hardest-hitting heavyweights in history and he scored a lot of clean knockouts including stoppages over some tough opponents who had never been counted out prior.
Bob Satterfield---Another heavy-handed bomber who could chill an opponent with one punch from either hand.
Curtis Sheppard---Knocked out Joey Maxim in one round, which was an accomplishment in itself, but regardless of that bout he was still among the best of the heavy-fisted!
Mike Cleary----Whenever fans, fighters and scribes of his era talked about boxers who carried a real knockout wallop Cleary was almost always mentioned…most of the time he was mentioned very early in a conversation on the topic as he rated close to Maher and Bob Fitzsimmons in terms of punching ability and he was a really small heavyweight…though there was nothing small about the power he possessed!
Ray Actis---He was a light heavyweight, but he kit like a heavyweight. His big problem was that his hands were too brittle to withstand his awesome punch and he consistently injured his fists. Billy Conn stated that Actis hit him harder than Joe Louis did!
“Tiger” Jack Fox----Fought as a light heavyweight and a heavyweight and knocked out opponents much larger than himself. All-in-all if his fight record is ever researched to where it is 98%, 99% or 100% complete then he will be the all-time leader in career knockouts ahead of Archie Moore! Right now the record that I have for Fox has well over 100 career knockouts and it is highly probable that his career record is still missing anywhere from 20 to 75 fights that have not been recorded, or documented, so Fox may very well have close to 200 career knockouts if his record can ever be nearly completed!
Lee Q. Murray----Murray was a huge puncher though sometimes lackadaisical he could still put an opponent to sleep with either hand!
Jimmy Adamick----Managed by Dempsey’s former manager Jack Hurley Adamick was being groomed as a future opponent for Louis before Roscoe Toles nearly killed him in a bout, which ended his career. He scored some good, quality knockouts against some quality opposition and at one point he ran off a streak of 32 straight knockouts in 1936 and 1937.
“Hambone” Joe Kelly---He was a light heavyweight who hit harder than most heavyweights and was along the lines of fighters like Ray Actis and Michael Moorer when he fought at light heavyweight.
There are several European heavyweights of the 20s, 30s and 40s who had really nice looking records full of knockouts, but I don’t know enough about the fighters to give a solid opinion on. Most of whom I’m speaking of was German, French and Italian…especially German. There were also several Australian heavyweights of the early 1900s who had exceptional looking stats, but again I don’t know enough about most of them at the moment to give a solid opinion, except perhaps Bill Squires and a few others. Squires was the kind of fighter similar to Billy Wells and Peter Maher, though he was not nearly as skilled, or talented as either of the two mentioned!
Then the later heavyweights like Jose Manuel Urtain who scored 30 straight knockouts at the start of his career, but as far as being a vicious KO Artist he was not and his knockout percentage dropped drastically when he stepped up to face quality heavyweights. He was much better than Lamar Clark and Don Steele, but Urtain was not an A level heavyweight and Clark and Steele would be doing good to be D level heavyweights!
Pat Killen----Pre-1900 heavyweight who carried dynamite in his fists and a fighter that made John L. Sullivan nervous!.
Peter Maher----P4P top 20 all-time puncher! He was quite successful regardless of the fact that other than carrying a KO wallop in either hand he also carried a chin that was about as fragile as it gets. Just looking at his record it is pretty easy to see that he was a very exciting fighter! The kind who either knocked out, or got knocked out! Whenever he fought one thing was nearly certain…someone was getting knocked out!
“Bombardier” Billy Wells----See comments above because Wells was the same kind of fighter as Maher…he either KO’d his opponent, or was put to sleep himself. Whatever the result a fight that he was in was sure to be exciting!
Lem Franklin----Eddie Blunt said that Franklin hit him harder than Joe Louis ever did.
Tommy Gomez---Was P4P one of the hardest-hitting heavyweights in history and he scored a lot of clean knockouts including stoppages over some tough opponents who had never been counted out prior.
Bob Satterfield---Another heavy-handed bomber who could chill an opponent with one punch from either hand.
Curtis Sheppard---Knocked out Joey Maxim in one round, which was an accomplishment in itself, but regardless of that bout he was still among the best of the heavy-fisted!
Mike Cleary----Whenever fans, fighters and scribes of his era talked about boxers who carried a real knockout wallop Cleary was almost always mentioned…most of the time he was mentioned very early in a conversation on the topic as he rated close to Maher and Bob Fitzsimmons in terms of punching ability and he was a really small heavyweight…though there was nothing small about the power he possessed!
Ray Actis---He was a light heavyweight, but he kit like a heavyweight. His big problem was that his hands were too brittle to withstand his awesome punch and he consistently injured his fists. Billy Conn stated that Actis hit him harder than Joe Louis did!
“Tiger” Jack Fox----Fought as a light heavyweight and a heavyweight and knocked out opponents much larger than himself. All-in-all if his fight record is ever researched to where it is 98%, 99% or 100% complete then he will be the all-time leader in career knockouts ahead of Archie Moore! Right now the record that I have for Fox has well over 100 career knockouts and it is highly probable that his career record is still missing anywhere from 20 to 75 fights that have not been recorded, or documented, so Fox may very well have close to 200 career knockouts if his record can ever be nearly completed!
Lee Q. Murray----Murray was a huge puncher though sometimes lackadaisical he could still put an opponent to sleep with either hand!
Jimmy Adamick----Managed by Dempsey’s former manager Jack Hurley Adamick was being groomed as a future opponent for Louis before Roscoe Toles nearly killed him in a bout, which ended his career. He scored some good, quality knockouts against some quality opposition and at one point he ran off a streak of 32 straight knockouts in 1936 and 1937.
“Hambone” Joe Kelly---He was a light heavyweight who hit harder than most heavyweights and was along the lines of fighters like Ray Actis and Michael Moorer when he fought at light heavyweight.
There are several European heavyweights of the 20s, 30s and 40s who had really nice looking records full of knockouts, but I don’t know enough about the fighters to give a solid opinion on. Most of whom I’m speaking of was German, French and Italian…especially German. There were also several Australian heavyweights of the early 1900s who had exceptional looking stats, but again I don’t know enough about most of them at the moment to give a solid opinion, except perhaps Bill Squires and a few others. Squires was the kind of fighter similar to Billy Wells and Peter Maher, though he was not nearly as skilled, or talented as either of the two mentioned!
Then the later heavyweights like Jose Manuel Urtain who scored 30 straight knockouts at the start of his career, but as far as being a vicious KO Artist he was not and his knockout percentage dropped drastically when he stepped up to face quality heavyweights. He was much better than Lamar Clark and Don Steele, but Urtain was not an A level heavyweight and Clark and Steele would be doing good to be D level heavyweights!
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barry wrote:Though most of these guys that I am mentioning were pretty well known heavyweights during their days in the ring, they were among the hardest-hitting fighters, P4P, in the history of the sport.
Pat Killen----Pre-1900 heavyweight who carried dynamite in his fists and a fighter that made John L. Sullivan nervous!.
Peter Maher----P4P top 20 all-time puncher! He was quite successful regardless of the fact that other than carrying a KO wallop in either hand he also carried a chin that was about as fragile as it gets. Just looking at his record it is pretty easy to see that he was a very exciting fighter! The kind who either knocked out, or got knocked out! Whenever he fought one thing was nearly certain…someone was getting knocked out!
“Bombardier” Billy Wells----See comments above because Wells was the same kind of fighter as Maher…he either KO’d his opponent, or was put to sleep himself. Whatever the result a fight that he was in was sure to be exciting!
Lem Franklin----Eddie Blunt said that Franklin hit him harder than Joe Louis ever did.
Tommy Gomez---Was P4P one of the hardest-hitting heavyweights in history and he scored a lot of clean knockouts including stoppages over some tough opponents who had never been counted out prior.
Bob Satterfield---Another heavy-handed bomber who could chill an opponent with one punch from either hand.
Curtis Sheppard---Knocked out Joey Maxim in one round, which was an accomplishment in itself, but regardless of that bout he was still among the best of the heavy-fisted!
Mike Cleary----Whenever fans, fighters and scribes of his era talked about boxers who carried a real knockout wallop Cleary was almost always mentioned…most of the time he was mentioned very early in a conversation on the topic as he rated close to Maher and Bob Fitzsimmons in terms of punching ability and he was a really small heavyweight…though there was nothing small about the power he possessed!
Ray Actis---He was a light heavyweight, but he kit like a heavyweight. His big problem was that his hands were too brittle to withstand his awesome punch and he consistently injured his fists. Billy Conn stated that Actis hit him harder than Joe Louis did!
“Tiger” Jack Fox----Fought as a light heavyweight and a heavyweight and knocked out opponents much larger than himself. All-in-all if his fight record is ever researched to where it is 98%, 99% or 100% complete then he will be the all-time leader in career knockouts ahead of Archie Moore! Right now the record that I have for Fox has well over 100 career knockouts and it is highly probable that his career record is still missing anywhere from 20 to 75 fights that have not been recorded, or documented, so Fox may very well have close to 200 career knockouts if his record can ever be nearly completed!
Lee Q. Murray----Murray was a huge puncher though sometimes lackadaisical he could still put an opponent to sleep with either hand!
Jimmy Adamick----Managed by Dempsey’s former manager Jack Hurley Adamick was being groomed as a future opponent for Louis before Roscoe Toles nearly killed him in a bout, which ended his career. He scored some good, quality knockouts against some quality opposition and at one point he ran off a streak of 32 straight knockouts in 1936 and 1937.
“Hambone” Joe Kelly---He was a light heavyweight who hit harder than most heavyweights and was along the lines of fighters like Ray Actis and Michael Moorer when he fought at light heavyweight.
There are several European heavyweights of the 20s, 30s and 40s who had really nice looking records full of knockouts, but I don’t know enough about the fighters to give a solid opinion on. Most of whom I’m speaking of was German, French and Italian…especially German. There were also several Australian heavyweights of the early 1900s who had exceptional looking stats, but again I don’t know enough about most of them at the moment to give a solid opinion, except perhaps Bill Squires and a few others. Squires was the kind of fighter similar to Billy Wells and Peter Maher, though he was not nearly as skilled, or talented as either of the two mentioned!
Then the later heavyweights like Jose Manuel Urtain who scored 30 straight knockouts at the start of his career, but as far as being a vicious KO Artist he was not and his knockout percentage dropped drastically when he stepped up to face quality heavyweights. He was much better than Lamar Clark and Don Steele, but Urtain was not an A level heavyweight and Clark and Steele would be doing good to be D level heavyweights!
A very good list, I agree with all of your picks, except Urtain, IMO the Spanish was very hyped up (even though he had good power)...
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The Great John L
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>>>very good list, I agree with all of your picks, except Urtain, IMO the Spanish was very hyped up (even though he had good power<<<
That's pretty much what I said. I did list him as one of the top hitters, but instead more as an example of fighters that sometimes get mixed up as being brutal punchers due to their nice looking records, but which they seem to lose that punch when they move up to quality opposition. Urtain was certainly hyped with those 30 straight knockouts even making the cover of Ring magazine, but that knockout percentage dropped drastically when he did not face a patsy.
Charley Retzlaff is another that I meant to list, which I think you mentioned him first, but he was one of the hardest-hitting heavyweights of the 30s. Another who was right there with him is Pat Comiskey!
That's pretty much what I said. I did list him as one of the top hitters, but instead more as an example of fighters that sometimes get mixed up as being brutal punchers due to their nice looking records, but which they seem to lose that punch when they move up to quality opposition. Urtain was certainly hyped with those 30 straight knockouts even making the cover of Ring magazine, but that knockout percentage dropped drastically when he did not face a patsy.
Charley Retzlaff is another that I meant to list, which I think you mentioned him first, but he was one of the hardest-hitting heavyweights of the 30s. Another who was right there with him is Pat Comiskey!
...good to see nick wells mentioned here. i don't think i ever saw an amateur hit that hard. alas, as was pionted out, he went nowhere as a pro. never got in shape and was winded after a few rounds. he could get by with this as an amateur because he was a southpaw and punched so incredibly hard....but didn't have the discipline to be a professional.
surprised to see hein tenn hoff on the original list. i saw him once from ringside and the crowd was suggesting that the referee should put on gloves and take his place. maybe he was just having an off night...though there is nothing in his record to indicate this.
just remembered....he and the guy he fought were on a local tv interview show a day or so before the fight and the other guys said..."may the best man win" and hoff said.."Yah...dot's I'm....dot's I'm."
a name to add to the list...oakland billy smith.. a light heavy who also fought heavies....was erratic but could really bang.
surprised to see hein tenn hoff on the original list. i saw him once from ringside and the crowd was suggesting that the referee should put on gloves and take his place. maybe he was just having an off night...though there is nothing in his record to indicate this.
just remembered....he and the guy he fought were on a local tv interview show a day or so before the fight and the other guys said..."may the best man win" and hoff said.."Yah...dot's I'm....dot's I'm."
a name to add to the list...oakland billy smith.. a light heavy who also fought heavies....was erratic but could really bang.
Max Diekmann was a Lightheavyweight. The rematch was a Draw and the 3rd match between the two boxers (a bout for the vacant German Lightheavyweight Title) ended after 30 Seconds when Schmeling fired a big right cross...Decagon wrote:Max Diekmann. Schmeling said he hit harder than anyone; Diekmann stopped Schmeling on cuts.
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torodecayey
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big train express
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Does that make him a Heavyweight ?Decagon wrote:Gee. I can read boxrec, too. Schmeling said that Diekmann hit harder than anyone he faced, including Joe Louis.
btw. When did Max Schmeling say that ? I don't doubt it but I'm curious.
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