World & European Amateur Boxing Rankings

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 27 Jun 2007, 08:55

The new Men & Women’s World & European Independent Amateur Boxing Rankings for the month of June are now displayed on the web-site. http://www.ababoxing.com

MENS WORLD AMATEUR BOXING RANKINGS
http://www.ababoxing.com/mens%20world%2 ... kings.html

MENS EUROPEAN AMATEUR BOXING RANKINGS
http://www.ababoxing.com/mens%20europea ... kings.html

WOMENS WORLD AMATEUR BOXING RANKINGS
http://www.ababoxing.com/womens%20world ... kings.html

WOMENS EUROPEAN AMATEUR BOXING RANKINGS
http://www.ababoxing.com/womens%20europ ... kings.html

Mens World Pound 4 Pound
Alexey Tischenko (RUS) OC/WC/EC
Guillermo Rigondeaux (CUB) OC/WC
Zou Shiming (CHN) WC/AG
Bakhtiar Artayev (KAZ) OC
Manus Boonjumnong (THA) OC/AG
Serik Sapiyev (KAZ) WC
Matvei Korobov (RUS) WC/EC
Yordenis Ugas Hernandez (CUB) WC
Erislandi Lara (CUB) WC
Erdos Dzhanabergenov (KAZ) WC

Womens World Pound 4 Pound
Katie Taylor (IRL) EC/WC
Sofiya Ochigava (RUS) WC
Aya Cissoko (FRA) EC/WC
Irina Sinetskaja (RUS) WC
Hasibe Erkoc (TUR) EC/WC
Arianne Fortin (CAN) WC
M.C. Mary Kom (IND) WC
Sarita Devi Laishram (IND) WC
Ri Jong Hyang (PRK) WC
Yum Kum Ju (PRK) WC

emile · Post by **emile** » 27 Jun 2007, 11:02

Appreciate the work that went into these

Of course, that means I have to start trying to pick them apart. You seem to be basing a large portion of the rankings on the last World Championships, which seems fine, but there do seem to be some inconsistencies.

How is Rau'Shee Warren only #7 at Flyweight? You have Lee Ok Sung #1 - okay, I'll buy that even though he flamed out at the Asian Games. But he was the one that knocked out Warren from the WC's, where Warren beat your #2 Balakshine. Perhaps you feel that Warren hasn't had enough international competition since then to maintain his #2 spot - but he did beat your #11 Munkeev in 2006 and has destroyed all comers in US competition. I don't see Payla jumping over him, even with the AG win, nor do I see what Picardi has done to put him over Warren (especially since he just lost to Salimov).

I can't see Warren any lower than #3. And JC Payano from the Dominican Republic should be ranked somewhere.

emile · Post by **emile** » 27 Jun 2007, 11:14

Generally, I have no problem with the US fighters not being ranked, since they have such little results to go on. But those who have proven themselves at the international level don't seem to be getting much respect in these rankings.

Gary Russell Jr had a somewhat easy path to third in the 2005 World's, so I don't take issue with him not being 3 or 4 in the rankings. But 13? He beat #6 Dalakliev, and like Warren is clearly the US #1 and is very young and should be improving more rapidly than the Eastern Europeans.

Also, to support Payano - he beat Samir Mammadov at the WC's, who crushed Picardi - and fought a close fight with Laffita in the QFs. And his results have continued to be good, having won gold at the Central American and Carribean games and qualifying for the Pan Am Games.

emile · Post by **emile** » 27 Jun 2007, 11:35

Still working on the small weights, but I think McWilliams Arroyo of Puerto Rico and Walid Cherif of Tunisia should be ranked as well at 51.

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 27 Jun 2007, 12:08

emile wrote:Appreciate the work that went into these

Of course, that means I have to start trying to pick them apart. You seem to be basing a large portion of the rankings on the last World Championships, which seems fine, but there do seem to be some inconsistencies.

How is Rau'Shee Warren only #7 at Flyweight? You have Lee Ok Sung #1 - okay, I'll buy that even though he flamed out at the Asian Games. But he was the one that knocked out Warren from the WC's, where Warren beat your #2 Balakshine. Perhaps you feel that Warren hasn't had enough international competition since then to maintain his #2 spot - but he did beat your #11 Munkeev in 2006 and has destroyed all comers in US competition. I don't see Payla jumping over him, even with the AG win, nor do I see what Picardi has done to put him over Warren (especially since he just lost to Salimov).

I can't see Warren any lower than #3. And JC Payano from the Dominican Republic should be ranked somewhere.

In Amateur Boxing its medals that count, not who you beat, unlike Pro boxing you cant take titles away by beating them, unless its that specific tournament. So i have to go with what each boxer wins, not who they beat to win it.

Lee Ok Sung is World Champion, you cant take that away from him until atleast October, so dont expect him to lose his number 1 spot.

If we look at medals Rau'shee Warren has a World Bronze & like you said poor international experience.

Georgi Balakshin is European Champion Which in my opion is better than World Bronze, not as good as World Silver and has also won Gold at Strandja Memorial in Bulgaria this year.

Violito Payla hasnt been that active but is still Asian Games Champion. Which in my opion is better than World Bronze, not as good as World Silver.

This year Vincenzo Picardi got Bronze at European Union Championships, Bronze at Arena Cup, Gold at Gee-Bee Tournament and Gold at Zlatko Hrbic Memorial. If anything is more active than Warren. Those results amounting to more, but not much.

Juan Carlos Payano is ranked 24, but i only display to 20.

emile · Post by **emile** » 27 Jun 2007, 12:31

I think you are severely overrating Europeans at the small weights. Look how they performed at the WC's (especially at 51kg), and the medals at the EC's should be discounted in value. How can you possibly make the argument that an EC Gold is better than a World Bronze, when the EC Gold winner was beaten at that same weight in the Worlds and couldn't even advance to the bronze medal round? It makes no sense at all.

I think its reasonable to discount somewhat for lack of intl results, but at the same time, talent is talent. Picardi hasn't suddenly gotten better than Warren because he fought in the Gruber McFlugle Memorial Cup, or whatever. He has no basis in results to be above Warren. Repeatedly beating Conor Ahern and Marcel Schneider does not suddenly make you a top 10 fighter. It just makes you better than Conor Ahern and Marcel Schneider. So, basically I'm disagreeing with your opening point. Winning medals should not matter for rankings, it should be based on looking at common opponents and seeing who did better. I can see who won the medals in each event by reading your results page - in the rankings I'm looking for a slightly subjective analysis.

Payla was outclassed by Laffita at the Worlds - Payano lost 31-22. Payano beat Yang Bo in 2005 and beat Yoandri Salinas in 2006. Yet you have three Germans ahead of him, when Europe as a continent could not place a single fighter in the final four at the World's? Crazy.

Fortunately we have the November World's to see where people stand, but in my opinion you need to give the results from the Americas and Africa another look and give them a little more value this time.

emile · Post by **emile** » 27 Jun 2007, 12:44

Also, for the sake of accuracy, your #6 at 60kg Khabib Allekhverdiev has gone pro.

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=387379

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 27 Jun 2007, 13:09

Thanks for that, i ask people to inform me of any amateurs that go pro or retire, if you know any more let me know.

Thanks

pound per pound · Post by **pound per pound** » 28 Jun 2007, 07:26

ABA Boxing wrote:Thanks for that, i ask people to inform me of any amateurs that go pro or retire, if you know any more let me know.

Thanks

Excellent work. A few pointers if I may.

Super heavyweight Kober has already gone pro. You really think Rustam Saidov is the #2 ranked super heavyweight in the world? Not a chance.
Saidov has not won anything in years, asside from winning the Asian amauter title, which has next to no quality heavyweights asside from old USSR coutnries in UZB and KAZ.

ABA Boxing · Post by **ABA Boxing** » 28 Jun 2007, 10:09

pound per pound wrote:
ABA Boxing wrote:Thanks for that, i ask people to inform me of any amateurs that go pro or retire, if you know any more let me know.

Thanks
Excellent work. A few pointers if I may.

Super heavyweight Kober has already gone pro. You really think Rustam Saidov is the #2 ranked super heavyweight in the world? Not a chance.
Saidov has not won anything in years, asside from winning the Asian amauter title, which has next to no quality heavyweights asside from old USSR coutnries in UZB and KAZ.

Thanks for your comments.

Stefan Koeber won Grand Prix - Usti, Czech Rep May 16-19 has he gone pro, or is it gossip? Until an amateur has there 1st pro fight i normally leave them in rankings.

Rustam Saidov is Asian Games Gold medal winner, but also this year Kings Cup Gold winner & Strandja Memorial Gold winner beating Roberto Cammarelle in the semis. He has some other medals but i havent got time to look up at the moment

emile · Post by **emile** » 28 Jun 2007, 10:13

Are you sure you're not thinking of his brother Sebastian Köber?

galaxy · Post by **galaxy** » 28 Jun 2007, 13:25

emile wrote:Are you sure you're not thinking of his brother Sebastian Köber?

Official website of Grand Prix in Usti:
http://www.skpboxing.endler.cz/showpage ... e=plus91kg

Stefan Koeber was winner in superheavy

emile · Post by **emile** » 28 Jun 2007, 14:09

My comment was for meant the person who said he had turned pro. I think he was thinking of Sebastian. I agree that Stefan is still amateur and won at Usti.

pound per pound · Post by **pound per pound** » 28 Jun 2007, 21:56

emile wrote:My comment was for meant the person who said he had turned pro. I think he was thinking of Sebastian. I agree that Stefan is still amateur and won at Usti.

Thanks for the correction, Emile. So we have another brother act at heavyweight. Is Stefan a better prospect than Sebastian?

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