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Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 02 Jul 2007, 11:58

Any kind of training is better than none, but you still have to have the mentality to use it and stay calm.

I came out of a pub recently where there had been a bit of trouble (not involved in), these lads came out of no-where and started on me and a mate, I was just trying to calm the situation. Where upon my mate who's into his karate and Judo threw a finger shot into the loudest blokes throat. I can say i don't think he could have folded any sooner.
He then went for the other 2, who shat it.

Basically he just defused the situation in a second. he then turned round and walked to the chippy calm as f*ck.

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 02 Jul 2007, 12:10

Old bones Ian wrote: Where upon my mate who's into his karate and Judo threw a finger shot into the loudest blokes throat. I can say i don't think he could have folded any sooner.
He then went for the other 2, who shat it.

Basically he just defused the situation in a second. he then turned round and walked to the chippy calm as f*ck.

Do that someone, and no matter how big, strong or well versed in combat they are. They are going down screaming. Best piece of advice I could give to someone as in regards to fighting and one I will be giving to my sons.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 02 Jul 2007, 12:35

kick in the bollocks can be an excellent defuser as well, if yoiu get the chance....

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 02 Jul 2007, 12:42

If you want a definitive, funny and really informative guide to street self defence type in 'Bas Rutten Street self defence' into youtube.

Bas Rutten is a dutch MMA legend and long time doorman who teaches some harsh but effective methods of looking after yourself, all whilst making you pi55 yourself with laughter.. Great stuff

Cant post a link as I am at work but trust me it is pure dynamite!

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 02 Jul 2007, 12:46

TerribleTerry wrote:Cant post a link as I am at work but trust me it is pure dynamite!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 02 Jul 2007, 12:48

Not neccesarily true.

Someone tried to rob me on Coldharbour lane last year, however that time it was just him and me, I kicked him with all my might right in the bollocks, and in fact so hard that I hurt my foot quite badly and was limping and the fekker was still walking around fine, though rather discouraged from any further attempts to grab my phone off me.

The adrenalin coursing through your body at such times can mean that a blow to the bollocks causes little or no pain.

Either that, or this geezer was iron balls mcginty.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 02 Jul 2007, 12:59

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Not neccesarily true.

Someone tried to rob me on Coldharbour lane last year, however that time it was just him and me, I kicked him with all my might right in the bollocks, and in fact so hard that I hurt my foot quite badly and was limping and the fekker was still walking around fine, though rather discouraged from any further attempts to grab my phone off me.

The adrenalin coursing through your body at such times can mean that a blow to the bollocks causes little or no pain.

Either that, or this geezer was iron balls mcginty.

Maybe you missed the balls themselves and it landed in the surrounding area

Personally I'd stick to what I know and look to land a big haymaker I'm not comfortable throwing none closed fists, kicks etc

The best weapon can definately be the tongue, talk to them like your best mates and you have their interests at heart, try to make them look at it from another angle. Thats what allot of successful bouncers do. No 1 thing always works though

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 02 Jul 2007, 12:59

Some people can take punches to the head all day and as for the kick in the bollocks, I remember being kicked at great force in the bollocks in a set to and continuted to beat the tar out of the fellow, all my bollocks were as bruised as anything but some blokes (like me

) can take a hard kick in the bollocks... I rather they didn't do it but I can take it

Also if kicking is not your forte and are a slow kicker, you are asking for your opponent to grab your foot and throw you on he floor, I would never use legs in a hostile situation except for running like Ben Johnson out of there!

Go for the throat... no-one is designed to stand up to pressure on he throat.

Shirow · Post by **Shirow** » 02 Jul 2007, 13:29

KOJOE90 wrote:
silkov wrote:For instance when you were down on the ground there are certain things you can do to turn the tables.
I was told a well placed hard punch just below the kneecap?

Short fella are ya?

ArtOfWar · Post by **ArtOfWar** » 02 Jul 2007, 13:34

Shirow wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:
silkov wrote:For instance when you were down on the ground there are certain things you can do to turn the tables.
I was told a well placed hard punch just below the kneecap?
Short fella are ya?

Yeah, that's not gonna work to well if your bending over to hit the guy in the knee and he kicks or knees you in the face.

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 02 Jul 2007, 13:42

KOJOE90 wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:Cant post a link as I am at work but trust me it is pure dynamite!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3K-mrlYG7Y

Not so good for when u got 3 fellas on u tho!

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 02 Jul 2007, 15:30

Terry D wrote:http://www.metacafe.com/watch/274220/ha ... /?logout=1

Enjoy, sorry if it has gone up already

Seen that a few times Tel but I must admit I never tire of it!

Love that fact that, like a true boxer, he goes out for a stroll in his trackie.
He doesnt fukc about, gets straight down to it and delivers fairly crisp, straight accurate shots. Nice.

There is a good one of some guy taking on multiple assailants with boxing from Turkish TV.

I will dig out the link and post it..

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 02 Jul 2007, 15:34

Found it:

Check out this kid - he likes to throw hands, no matter how badly out numbered.

My favourite combatant is undoubtedly the guy in the white shirt - he shows heart, willing and some ambitious techniques before succumbing..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyokcLPl8wM

Turkish TV get hold of the footage and do a frickin sweet Eye of The Tiger mix, including slow mo sequences..ITN could learn a trick or two from these crazy kebab eating ba5tards..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhNKMqlSzcI

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 02 Jul 2007, 16:08

This has little relevence but I just like this Kimbo Slice HL vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZDA9w4Q ... er&search=

No one will ever mistake him for Willie Pep or Sugar Ray but the 'Big Dawg' is always exciting..

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 02 Jul 2007, 19:42

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Well, to be fair, he's not really a good mate, he's someone I go to Samba with. However, I thought enough of him to try and save his skin from a butt-pumping, more fool me, though it's not his fault he's a bit of a pussy.

As you say, 2 on 3, I would have fancied my chances, because one of the three would probably have beaten a retreat

What makes me laugh is that the geezer does Aikido as well, just goes to prove that martial arts don't count for shit, unless you're going to do the do in a street situation.

Hmm the pepper spray idea is tempting, isn't it illegal to carry it though?

Hmmm, Your right that Martial Arts training must be trained realisticly for self defense.
Im not big on Aikido for self defense.
I wouldnt discount Martial arts training as a result of your freinds lack of ability in that situation.
I work in private security here in Chicago and have dealt with some very famous celebrities over the past year.
Its not that I carry myself as some hard man that has proven successful for me.
Its years of training that has helped me stay calm and defuse a situation rather than escalate it.
If I need to get physical I will, but a calm , confident proffesional attitude
often calms things down.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 02 Jul 2007, 19:56

I mean to say that martial arts in the gym don't neccessarily translate well into real life. In the gym you have plenty of space, it's well lit, and everyone knows that there is going to be some fighting going on.

Hardly the same as 2 in the morning, dark, and finding yourself in a narrow alleyway with rubbish bins and shit in the way.

Anyway, my mate's Aikido didn't stack up to much, because he didn't have the bollocks to even use it.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 02 Jul 2007, 20:15

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I mean to say that martial arts in the gym don't neccessarily translate well into real life. In the gym you have plenty of space, it's well lit, and everyone knows that there is going to be some fighting going on.

Hardly the same as 2 in the morning, dark, and finding yourself in a narrow alleyway with rubbish bins and shit in the way.

Anyway, my mate's Aikido didn't stack up to much, because he didn't have the bollocks to even use it.

Yes we are in agreement.
Thats why I say trained realisticly.
As possible of course.
Training should consist of learning defenses against certain weapons , multiple attackers etc.
With basic techniques that dont require a lot of space to pull off.
Close quarters combat.
My original JuJutsu sensei was named Antonio Perreira.
He spent a few years in Japan after ww2 learning Judo , JuJutsu and Aikido.
He went back to the South Bronx New York and opened a dojo.( He was already teaching Army combatives at a small club.)
His students told him after seeing his Aikido that they thought it wouldnt work in The South Bronx where people were attacked in elavators, stair wells ,alleys etc.
He had to do some modification of his techniques to suit "western " style attacks.

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 02 Jul 2007, 20:31

Bollox tends 2 be much more important than skill, both in the ring and on the street

s9s · Post by **s9s** » 03 Jul 2007, 00:44

TerribleTerry wrote:It isnt the martial art or whatever that is good or rubbish, its the individual that practises it.

I have seen a few lads that have trained at boxing gyms for years and still couldnt knock out a wank..

At the same time I know traditional karateka who are hard as nails, and vice versa

There is no perfect style or system it down to the individual and how they can apply what they know.

Absolutely, I've been doing Muay Thai for about two years, and am fitter in class than some guys who have been there for five or more years, and also the guys who started around my time. I totally dedicate myself while in a class and always squeeze the last few push ups & crunches out, always do more than five minute warm up skipping (I get in earlier), while others will take the easier option.

What you put in is what you get out. There are some superb fighters at my club though, in excellent physical condition, also my Arjan (teacher) is totally absorbed in Muay Thai and leads by example (leg splits,pushups, crunches, he does them with us and not just tells us to do them).

So I would check the students conditions and the instructors handling of the class before deciding anyhting, one reason I chose my Muay Thai class was that everyone was slim and lean (the established students).

Just to confuse matters for James, I can reccomned Muay Thai, very effective use of knees, elbows as well as boxing punches (thought the upper body movement is not much) and grappling as well, also some of the kicks (like the thrust kick to groin) can be very useful in the street.

If you are in west London I train with this guy.

http://www.freewebs.com/muaythai4u/

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 03 Jul 2007, 03:58

That Bas Rutten is a loony! You'd never mess with that chap!

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 03 Jul 2007, 04:34

Shirow wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:
silkov wrote:For instance when you were down on the ground there are certain things you can do to turn the tables.
I was told a well placed hard punch just below the kneecap?
Short fella are ya?

Yes I like Vodka.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 03 Jul 2007, 04:39

ArtOfWar wrote:
Shirow wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote: I was told a well placed hard punch just below the kneecap?
Short fella are ya?
Yeah, that's not gonna work to well if your bending over to hit the guy in the knee and he kicks or knees you in the face.

Do you always bend over to throw a punch??? very strange.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 03 Jul 2007, 06:13

s9s wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:It isnt the martial art or whatever that is good or rubbish, its the individual that practises it.

I have seen a few lads that have trained at boxing gyms for years and still couldnt knock out a wank..

At the same time I know traditional karateka who are hard as nails, and vice versa

There is no perfect style or system it down to the individual and how they can apply what they know.
Absolutely, I've been doing Muay Thai for about two years, and am fitter in class than some guys who have been there for five or more years, and also the guys who started around my time. I totally dedicate myself while in a class and always squeeze the last few push ups & crunches out, always do more than five minute warm up skipping (I get in earlier), while others will take the easier option.

What you put in is what you get out. There are some superb fighters at my club though, in excellent physical condition, also my Arjan (teacher) is totally absorbed in Muay Thai and leads by example (leg splits,pushups, crunches, he does them with us and not just tells us to do them).

So I would check the students conditions and the instructors handling of the class before deciding anyhting, one reason I chose my Muay Thai class was that everyone was slim and lean (the established students).

Just to confuse matters for James, I can reccomned Muay Thai, very effective use of knees, elbows as well as boxing punches (thought the upper body movement is not much) and grappling as well, also some of the kicks (like the thrust kick to groin) can be very useful in the street.

If you are in west London I train with this guy.

http://www.freewebs.com/muaythai4u/

Used to do it actually at university. It's a very nasty discipline, elbow smashes to the face, thrust kicks, I've actually used a thrust kick before, great for getting someone away from you whilst also freaking them out.

I stopped doing it after someone got their ear torn off in class (I was at Uni), there were loads of squaddies who would come down and go absolutely mental in there, and I was only about 20 at the time and didn't like the look of having a ruck with some loony bloke who was a lot fitter, harder and more mental than I was.

s9s · Post by **s9s** » 03 Jul 2007, 11:14

Terry D wrote:I used to do Muay Thai, my dad would take me twice a week to toughen me up. I was eight at the time (had one year of Karate, 'The Karate Kid' had come out VHS a few years earlier).

There is an element of the preening peacock to MT, guys who just want to beat you up whilst making sure the watching girls see the perfect flexation of their ink.

When they found out I went boxing also, much later on in my MT experience, there was a constant obsession with sparring you and proving once and for all that a boxer would get his bottom kicked by a MT person.

All you would hear is: "Well in boxing you just punch, in MT I can gouge your eyes, elbow you, knee you, kick you in the knees, sweep you."

My reply? "You make that sound like something to be proud off, with fists, and in a civilised setting, I will smack your fooking head in." I think they hated my use of commas when speaking.

For some reason I was never short of spars.

I am a boxing fan first, all the guys I train with are MT fanatics, though the conversation with of other martial arts V MT never comes up, my teacher was an amateur boxer as well., I often think that boxer, keeping his distance would pick off a MT fighter as MUay Thai fighter does not move his feet as much and has less upper body movement , not a fault in MT , but more to steady yourself for blocking kicks and setting up punch/kick combos.

You have to find a good muay thai gym, there are too many basterised kick-boxing classes, and I have heard of some right shockers, one guy, fanous in the midlands, does not do any skipping and very little fitness work, even though he was a decent fighter himself apparently, he has started his own world title and all his fighters beleive they are the best out there.
My gym is curently going through a good run, 3 out of the last four pro fights won, and last three amatuers winning as well.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 03 Jul 2007, 11:24

Unfortunatly for me i've got a wanky knee , which has had 6 ops, so its hard to find a martial art i can do, as the knee can pop out if i twist and it hasn't got much strength in it.
As most martial arts involve kicking, this counts them out. Anyone know of one i should be looking at going to?