Only 5 fighters unbeaten

thyx · Post by **thyx** » 10 Jul 2007, 06:49

I think Pichit Sitbangprachan, IBF flyweight, was unbeaten too.

Knucklez · Post by **Knucklez** » 10 Jul 2007, 10:42

Who cares? This obsession with protecting the 0 is one of the main problems in boxing.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 10 Jul 2007, 10:52

Knucklez wrote:Who cares? This obsession with protecting the 0 is one of the main problems in boxing.

agreed...

better to haev fought the best and lost than to fight mediocre opposition forever.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 10 Jul 2007, 11:05

Ezzard wrote:
Knucklez wrote:Who cares? This obsession with protecting the 0 is one of the main problems in boxing.
agreed...

better to haev fought the best and lost than to fight mediocre opposition forever.

Thus proving the point that Sven Ottke in the final analysis was indeed the best boxer in history.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 13 Jul 2007, 04:11

And 4 retired:

Rocky Marciano

Sven Ottke

Samson Dutch Boy

Ricardo Lopez

This list is total shit. You simply don't know boxing if you think Ottke is undefeated. Thomas Tate has a TKO victory over him regardless of the corrupt German Commissions decision on the bout.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 13 Jul 2007, 07:23

BESMIRCHING THE GREAT NAME OF OTTKE? Well they say if you live long enough you will see everything.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 13 Jul 2007, 12:54

If Ottke fought his career outside of Germany he would have a 30-4 record at best.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 13 Jul 2007, 22:21

Stop following me. This queer behavior you're exhibiting towards me is creepy.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 14 Jul 2007, 03:32

I didn't even know who you were until I caught on that you were following me in every thread just like you're doing now.

Anyone can search your post and see that you would reply after every post I made and that YOU eventually revealed you were Rubio HMS to which I replied "who gives a shit."

I never quoted you on FightBeat. The only reason mentioned you on FightBeat as Decagon is because other shitheads asked about you and why you were banned.

Now stop following me queer.

barry · Post by **barry** » 14 Jul 2007, 10:55

>>>This obsession with protecting the 0 is one of the main problems in boxing.<<<

I agree!!!! Trying to keep a prospect undefeated ultimately hurts the fighter in the end because typically the undefeated fighter has fed on weak to very weak opposition and when said boxer does step up he is usually exposed and given a pretty solid beating! Being undefeated mean very little...Don Steele for example...he was what...41-0-0 (41 KO)?
It's good that a fighter has never lost against quality opposition, ala Ricardo Lopez, but 90 to 95% of undefeated fighters are really not capable when it comes to fighting the elite class of whatever weight class!

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 15 Jul 2007, 00:52

Knucklez wrote:Who cares? This obsession with protecting the 0 is one of the main problems in boxing.

None of those guys-Mayweather, Hatton, Calzaghe, Kessler, Calderon- are protecting their 0's. Mayweather just fought Oscar, Hatton just fought Castillo, Calzaghe and Kessler will fight each other this year, Calderon is moving up in weight. Boxing fans can sometimes be too critical.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 15 Jul 2007, 16:50

I didn't say Hatton was good, I said he wasn't protecting his 0... and while I think Castillo does suck as a Jr. Welterweight, he was highly regarded before the fight.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 15 Jul 2007, 17:34

There seems to be a generational strategy changing taking place.

Used to be that a fighter would fight everybody and anybody who mattered and you could average out the wins and the folks could attempt to rate and rank....... And then everyone could debate about who was best.

Nowadays the fighters read the records of their competition and part of the strategy is to see whose resume when knocked off will get you greater credibility whilst attempting to keep your losses down to zero if possible and then attempt to rate and rank. And then everyone can debate about who is best.

Some things have changed.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 15 Jul 2007, 18:15

I'm hardly a Hatton fan, but I don't necessarily agree. I do agree he's fought some of the weaker belt holders in those weight classes, though Maussa was coming off the upset of Harris, but it seems he wants to take big fights, and as you said he's already fought Tszyu. Now it looks like he might fight Mayweather.

Anyway, regardless of Hatton who you're singling out despite him being only one of five fighters I was addressing, I think my point still stands that boxing fans can be a bit too critical sometimes, and accuse fighters of trying to protect their 0's when this isn't always the case. Maybe it is of guys like Cotto, but not Mayweather, not Calzaghe as of late, not Kessler (assuming they're really going to fight each other.) Williams put his undefeated record on the line last night. I don't see the point of this hysteria about fighters not taking risks, it seems like boxing fans are taking a handfull of fighters and trying generalize that as the entire state of boxing. There have been a lot of big fights in recent years, and some big fights are being made as we speak.

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