Johannsen-Kirikosyan, who wins??

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 13 Jul 2007, 19:20

He would give Arthur murders

Arthur's more mobile though.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 13 Jul 2007, 19:29

MightyWarrior wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Am I overstating the case in saying that his opponent could give some of the top level fighters a hard night, he reminded me of Harrison in his better days, but with better variety and speed.
Well he certainly looks to have the punch to be a real danger to most fighters - tough division though.

Even when he missed the first right hand to Carl's chin early in the 1st, just the speed and way he winged it with his full body weight behind it, alarm bells were ringing already.

And yep the Gomez win now looks terrific - was it a cuts stoppage or did Michael grind him down?

Can't recall it blow for blow but I'm sure both were cut and both were hurt. Gomez dug a bit deeper in the end and landed some cleaner shots when both were banged up and had pretty much ground each other down. If it's the fight I'm thinking of I'm sure Gomez looked as surprised as anyone at the struggle it had been, at the end, and I've got a feeling he made a point of going over and emphasising that to Kirakosyan. Have a feeling I'm mixing that up with another Gomez war but I'm sure someone else will post a proper account.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 13 Jul 2007, 20:34

That 'performing seal' (one of his mate's words, not mine) Gomez was ringside tonight and called out Kirakosyan very loudly.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 13 Jul 2007, 21:15

Really did look like man against boy in there, could argue 3 x 10-8 rounds before the stoppage, complete one sided descruction, Carl just had nothing coming back.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 14 Jul 2007, 03:02

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:That 'performing seal' (one of his mate's words, not mine) Gomez was ringside tonight and called out Kirakosyan very loudly.

Flip me, he obviously sniffs another payday. Hope he aint going to start shadowing Kirakosyan around now the way he did with Arthur for years.

Hagler2002 · Post by **Hagler2002** » 14 Jul 2007, 03:26

I was out and missed it, does anyone remember what the pre-fight odds were?

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 14 Jul 2007, 03:56

Hagler2002 wrote:I was out and missed it, does anyone remember what the pre-fight odds were?

Don't know the round betting I'm afraid, although hopefully pocket rocket can oblige with the 4th rd KO. Johanneson was favourite outright - not much bigger than 1/2 I think. Decision wins for both guys were big.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 14 Jul 2007, 04:25

The ref should have stopped it in the third round, and the Ingle's certainly shouldn't have let him come out for the fourth round they should have stopped it at the end of the third. He didn't need to be knocked out like that it was clear it was only a matter of time. Terrible refereeing AND corner work IMO.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jul 2007, 04:39

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:That 'performing seal' (one of his mate's words, not mine) Gomez was ringside tonight and called out Kirakosyan very loudly.

As they say, be careful what you wish for. I doubt Gomez would win a rematch.

caster · Post by **caster** » 14 Jul 2007, 04:42

That Leva guy is a wrecking machine. Great win for the underrated Gomez, but he wouldn´t win a return.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 Jul 2007, 04:59

1st time I've really seen Kirakosyan. Good fighter. He moves his head well, throws fast sneaky shots, punishes every mistake and can knock you down with just about any punch.

I can see him maybe going on to win a title. Very well schooled.

Johanesson looked unhinged before the fight. In the Sky pre fight interview he had a weird look about him. Beady eyed, head back like something off a bad horror film.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 14 Jul 2007, 05:53

Manos de Oro wrote:
Can't recall it blow for blow but I'm sure both were cut and both were hurt. Gomez dug a bit deeper in the end and landed some cleaner shots when both were banged up and had pretty much ground each other down. If it's the fight I'm thinking of I'm sure Gomez looked as surprised as anyone at the struggle it had been, at the end, and I've got a feeling he made a point of going over and emphasising that to Kirakosyan. Have a feeling I'm mixing that up with another Gomez war but I'm sure someone else will post a proper account.

Cheers Manos

Re the odds - pretty sure commentator said Carl was a firm favorite in the run up ( due to home ground no doubt, and a feeling he'd not have taken the return if he wasn't sure of a revenge win ) then a lot of wise money came in late on the champion, and evened things up.

E · Post by E » 14 Jul 2007, 06:08

jomothepure wrote:
Hagler2002 wrote:I was out and missed it, does anyone remember what the pre-fight odds were?
Don't know the round betting I'm afraid, although hopefully pocket rocket can oblige with the 4th rd KO. Johanneson was favourite outright - not much bigger than 1/2 I think. Decision wins for both guys were big.

You could get 2-1 on totesport on Leva Kirablahblah. Unfortunately I put only a tenner on. I saw it as an even money fight.

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 14 Jul 2007, 06:27

Thanks for the kind words boys, I get a prediction right every year or so...

Sadly didnt lay any money which is a downer...

The fight happened just as I thought it would...Carl could have used raiding tactics, standing there and trading was a shocking idea. Sadly im not sure he can use intelleigent pressure, he needs to look at where is career is going

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jul 2007, 06:27

Autobarn wrote:1st time I've really seen Kirakosyan. Good fighter. He moves his head well, throws fast sneaky shots, punishes every mistake and can knock you down with just about any punch.

I can see him maybe going on to win a title. Very well schooled.

Johanesson looked unhinged before the fight. In the Sky pre fight interview he had a weird look about him. Beady eyed, head back like something off a bad horror film.

Yes, one thing I noted was how well Leva slipped the jab, which I think made Carl even more tentative.

I noticed Leva in the dressing room afterward saying 'America, America' to the camera, I hope he can get a title shot because win or lose I can see him having his moments against anyone.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jul 2007, 06:29

thepocketrocket wrote:Thanks for the kind words boys, I get a prediction right every year or so... Sadly didnt lay any money which is a downer...

The fight happened just as I thought it would...Carl could have used raiding tactics, standing there and trading was a shocking idea. Sadly im not sure he can use intelleigent pressure, he needs to look at where is career is going

Thing is, he didn't even trade, all he did was push the jab most of the time, leaving himself wide open to counter hooks to the body.

The second body shot Leva landed, you could see Carl's body stiffen up, think it was a left hook deep behind the ribs. I think that's where the fight was lost, ridiculous as it might sound. Carl was guarding the head well, but then suddenly it's "Oh shit, those body shots are really hurting me, what now?"

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 14 Jul 2007, 06:34

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
thepocketrocket wrote:Thanks for the kind words boys, I get a prediction right every year or so... Sadly didnt lay any money which is a downer...

The fight happened just as I thought it would...Carl could have used raiding tactics, standing there and trading was a shocking idea. Sadly im not sure he can use intelleigent pressure, he needs to look at where is career is going
Thing is, he didn't even trade, all he did was push the jab most of the time, leaving himself wide open to counter hooks to the body.

The second body shot Leva landed, you could see Carl's body stiffen up, think it was a left hook deep behind the ribs. I think that's where the fight was lost, ridiculous as it might sound. Carl was guarding the head well, but then suddenly it's "Oh shit, those body shots are really hurting me, what now?"

Completely agree, I should have said 'stayed in the pocket'

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 14 Jul 2007, 06:38

Carl looked a worried man before the fight and I think after the first he knew he couldnt win - So as Maloney said, good at domestic level but thats Carls limit - He has looked so good since his defeat by the same man we expected more from him - Sadly it was very one sided and will surely dent Carls confidence - Not sure where he goes from here.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 14 Jul 2007, 06:49

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Autobarn wrote:1st time I've really seen Kirakosyan. Good fighter. He moves his head well, throws fast sneaky shots, punishes every mistake and can knock you down with just about any punch.

I can see him maybe going on to win a title. Very well schooled.

Johanesson looked unhinged before the fight. In the Sky pre fight interview he had a weird look about him. Beady eyed, head back like something off a bad horror film.
Yes, one thing I noted was how well Leva slipped the jab, which I think made Carl even more tentative.

I noticed Leva in the dressing room afterward saying 'America, America' to the camera, I hope he can get a title shot because win or lose I can see him having his moments against anyone.

Are you sure it wasn't Armenia? He's Armenian.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jul 2007, 07:04

I knew he was Armenian, but I could have sworn he was saying 'America' you're probably right though, I was on my fourth bottle of Leffe Brun by that point.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 Jul 2007, 07:48

I was sceptical about Johanesson being world class, as he did lose his previous toughest bouts - KO1 by Kirakosyan and lost an 8-rounder to Gogoladze.

He can go through a lot of domestic guys but he seemed to tire late vs Burns.

If Arthur beats Gogoladze I'd like to see Arthur v Kiraksyan.

Maybe Michael Gomez feels a fight with Kirakosyan will get him back on Sky?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Jul 2007, 07:57

A fight with Leva might get him back in hospital.

Leva has probably improved since then, whilst Gomez isn't the same man he was then.

I think it would be a mauling for Gomez.

Let's see Arthur take this guy on. If he can beat him, then that's a massive step in the right direction, because that geezer is a wrecking ball who seems to do everything right.

Mobility would seem to be the key, that and a stiff jab to break his rhythmn, he likes to plant his feet and throw big shots, so movement and long range punching seems the way forward. I know Arthur is a better mover than the crab like Johannsen, but is he good enough?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 Jul 2007, 08:06

Kirakosyan could well do to Arthur what Gomez did IMO. Arthur still seems not to protect himself properly when he punches in close. He's so vulnerable from the sides. He's also easy to read. He telegraphs a right hand then tries to throw a power jab off it - a strange move. Also, despite his size he seems to lean down and give his advantage away. & sometimes he throws long punches inside, which sail over his opponents' heads. I just don't like AA's style at all. Leva's short hooks are so deceptive and hard to read. I can see Alex getting belted out.

Yeah, would be suicide for Gomez at this stage. he did beat a late notice Leva and still nearly lost (I believe).

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 14 Jul 2007, 08:23

Don't write Carl off just yet.

All this talk about levels is right, of course, but just because he got mashed up here doesn't mean he couldn't be European level.

The truth is he had a lot of personal things going on, hadn't been training properly and had poor conditioning.

If he'd lived the life for three months up to the fight and got in with the Ingles every day, he'd have done a lot better.

He was a shadow of his true ability in there.

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 14 Jul 2007, 08:34

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
The truth is he had a lot of personal things going on, hadn't been training properly and had poor conditioning.

If he'd lived the life for three months up to the fight and got in with the Ingles every day, he'd have done a lot better.

He was a shadow of his true ability in there.

Jesus.

Even his own fornicating promoter didn't have the neck on him to make excuses like that.