Questions Concerning Fight Promotions

jmanginell · Post by **jmanginell** » 12 Jul 2007, 18:12

I would appreciate anyone who could help me out in this...

I have recently come into a bit of money and wanted to invest it in possibly putting on an amateur fight card in the Dallas area.

My question is what all goes into doing something like this in regards to cost.

I have a ring, 12-16 oz gloves, headgear and access to amateur fighters (though perhaps not enough to put on an entire card). I realize I'll need a venue, and possibly a small one to begin. Other than that, what fees go into this? I understand I'll most likely have to pay a promoter's fee and possibly an individual fight fee...would there be anything I'm missing.

The way I calculate it, my expenses are as follows:

1. Equipment Fees
2. Venue Fee
3. Fighters expenses
4. Promoter's Fee and Individual card Fee

What am I missing? I've heard that, with the equipment, that this could be done for around $5000 depending on the venue. What are the possibilities of just recouping my expenses?

Thanks!

squarering · Post by **squarering** » 12 Jul 2007, 22:28

The best thing to do is contact the reistration person of the LBC or the President of the LBC that governs the area you want to hold a show. Some associations have by-laws that goven who and what criteria you have to meet to hold a show. Look on usaboxing.org to find what association you are in.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 13 Jul 2007, 11:45

In order to host an amateur boxing show, you must be registered with USA Boxing as a club or have access to a registered club who can get the sanction. You can email me at [email protected] and I'll give you the phone number for the Southwestern (Dallas area) LBC registration chairman.

have a ring, 12-16 oz gloves, headgear

Competition gloves are either 10 oz. or 12 oz., depending on the weight of the athlete. Headgear must also be USA Boxing approved competition headgear (not training headgear). Boxers provide their own headgear, attire, protective cups, shoes, etc. Show hosts always supply the competition gloves.

and access to amateur fighters (though perhaps not enough to put on an entire card).

Who must all be registered with USA Boxing and have a passbook. Coaches must also be registered and certified.

I understand I'll most likely have to pay a promoter's fee and possibly an individual fight fee

There is no promoter fee because there are no promoters in amateur boxing. You might want to give a donation to the club hosting the event and/or pay for a venue and ring, if needed. Amateur boxers and coaches are not paid. USA Boxing is an all-volunteer orginzation.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 13 Jul 2007, 23:42

boxmel wrote:In order to host an amateur boxing show, you must be registered with USA Boxing as a club or have access to a registered club who can get the sanction. You can email me at [email protected] and I'll give you the phone number for the Southwestern (Dallas area) LBC registration chairman.

have a ring, 12-16 oz gloves, headgear
Competition gloves are either 10 oz. or 12 oz., depending on the weight of the athlete. Headgear must also be USA Boxing approved competition headgear (not training headgear). Boxers provide their own headgear, attire, protective cups, shoes, etc. Show hosts always supply the competition gloves.

and access to amateur fighters (though perhaps not enough to put on an entire card).
Who must all be registered with USA Boxing and have a passbook. Coaches must also be registered and certified.

I understand I'll most likely have to pay a promoter's fee and possibly an individual fight fee
There is no promoter fee because there are no promoters in amateur boxing. You might want to give a donation to the club hosting the event and/or pay for a venue and ring, if needed. Amateur boxers and coaches are not paid. USA Boxing is an all-volunteer orginzation.

Here, clubs that put on shows never provide the gloves. Each club provides it's own. Which is part of why I had such issues with my gloves this year, they were ones that my coach had that didn't have white knuckles on them.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 14 Jul 2007, 11:01

Kolya, the rule book states that competition hosts provide the gloves and since this is the rule, boxers aren't allowed to wear their own gloves. I don't know any boxers who buy their own competition gloves - training yes. Also, the rule book states that the gloves must be two-toned (white knuckle).

jmanginell · Post by **jmanginell** » 14 Jul 2007, 13:15

boxmel wrote:In order to host an amateur boxing show, you must be registered with USA Boxing as a club or have access to a registered club who can get the sanction. You can email me at [email protected] and I'll give you the phone number for the Southwestern (Dallas area) LBC registration chairman.

have a ring, 12-16 oz gloves, headgear
Competition gloves are either 10 oz. or 12 oz., depending on the weight of the athlete. Headgear must also be USA Boxing approved competition headgear (not training headgear). Boxers provide their own headgear, attire, protective cups, shoes, etc. Show hosts always supply the competition gloves.

and access to amateur fighters (though perhaps not enough to put on an entire card).
Who must all be registered with USA Boxing and have a passbook. Coaches must also be registered and certified.

I understand I'll most likely have to pay a promoter's fee and possibly an individual fight fee
There is no promoter fee because there are no promoters in amateur boxing. You might want to give a donation to the club hosting the event and/or pay for a venue and ring, if needed. Amateur boxers and coaches are not paid. USA Boxing is an all-volunteer orginzation.

EXTREMELY helpful...thanks for the reply!

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 14 Jul 2007, 13:19

You're welcome.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 14 Jul 2007, 15:14

boxmel wrote:Kolya, the rule book states that competition hosts provide the gloves and since this is the rule, boxers aren't allowed to wear their own gloves. I don't know any boxers who buy their own competition gloves - training yes. Also, the rule book states that the gloves must be two-toned (white knuckle).

Rule 103.4 only requires the white knuckled gloves for international competitions. The rulebook also states that the purpose of those types of gloves is to facilitate easier recognition of legal blows by the officials. The old rules used to require them at all competitions, but that is not the current rules.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 14 Jul 2007, 21:35

AIBA rescinded the short rule for the one-color gloves, therefore the 103.4(9)(a) is not accurate. As far as I know, all shows (including national tournaments) are using white-knuckle gloves. "Two-tone" have always been "to facilitate easier recognition of legal blows by the officials."

The AIBA rule is as follows:

RULE II: Gloves

A. Authorized Gloves. Competitors shall wear red or blue gloves as per the
respective boxer’s corner which the organizers of the competitions have placed at their disposal, and which have been approved by the Executive Committee of AIBA. Boxers are not allowed to wear their own gloves.

B. Specifications. The gloves shall weigh 10 ounces (284 grams) of which the leather portion shall not weigh more than half of the total weight and the padding not less than half the total weight. The regular hitting surface must be marked on the gloves with a clearly discernible colour.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 14 Jul 2007, 21:55

Mel - the poster was asking about putting on local boxing shows in the Dallas area not international competition. Therefore USAB's rules NOT AIBA's rules will control. Most shows still use white knuckled gloves, but they don't have to do so.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 14 Jul 2007, 22:12

USA Boxing rules are white-knuckle gloves, even though the rule book has not been updated.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 16 Jul 2007, 00:05

Mel the 2003 - 2006 rulebooks all say what I said. If the rule has been changed it is not on the USAB website.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 16 Jul 2007, 08:50

I think that's what I said, Dennis. The rulebook has not been changed to reflect the AIBA rule. There have been no rule changes since 2005.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 16 Jul 2007, 12:48

boxmel wrote:I think that's what I said, Dennis. The rulebook has not been changed to reflect the AIBA rule. There have been no rule changes since 2005.

USAB has a lot of rules that differ from the AIBA rules. USAB does not necessarily conform to the AIBA rules. Yes, the AIBA rules are followed for international competitions, but for all local shows and national tournaments the USAB rules (which differ from the AIBA rules) are followed.

Quite a few officials have the misconception that USAB conforms to AIBA always and that is just not the case. If that was the case, then all adult boxers in every weight class would wear 10 oz. gloves. We know that in the U.S. the 165 and heavier classes wear 12 oz. gloves. The headgear is also different.

I have been to many shows where the solid blue and solid red gloves are used. It is permitted by the USAB rules. USAB's 2006 rules are the most current and what they say controls.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 16 Jul 2007, 13:09

Okay, you win.

However, with regard to

We know that in the U.S. the 165 and heavier classes wear 12 oz. gloves.

12 oz. gloves are used for 152 and up, even though the rule book does not state this.

USA Boxing must follow AIBA rules but can amend as long as the rules are not less restrictive. They can only be more restrictive, for safety reasons. Every country uses different headgear, not just the U.S.

Unfortunately, unless there is legislation submitted to clear up some of the AIBA/USAB differences, our rule book will continue to be outdated. Since we no longer have annual meetings where legislation is voted on, I have no idea how any changes will, if ever, be made. Just have to wait and see.