khan = audley harrison

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 15 Jul 2007, 14:53

can only improve? actually it could easily go the other way and get worse

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 15 Jul 2007, 14:57

Britannian Stallion wrote:David Haye got knocked down and badly hurt by Lolenga Mock, early in his career and is about to challenge for the undisputed title (although victory for Haye is no foregone conclusion IMO). Klitschko also has a weak chin, but is rated by most as the no1 Heavyweight, although, I have to admit that the depth of talent in the Heavyweight Division doesn't compare to that of the Lightweights and Light Welters.

but both those guys are big big punchers.

that can often cancel out ya weaknesses that bit easier.

in klitschko's case he also has huge size advantages over guys he fights.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 15 Jul 2007, 15:07

I'm sorry but Lolenga Mock is a super middleweight and does not have the record of a puncher.

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 15 Jul 2007, 15:18

I haven't read the whole thread, but Harrison has never fought anybody of Limond's quality. And lets not forget that Khan won -- something that Harrison has never done when stepping up in quality.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 15 Jul 2007, 15:48

Yeah the Haye comparison is a good one, if you keep your chin out of harms way long enough to get a few good wins, anything can happen.

Bruno was similarily exposed early in his career: we all suddenly realised he was a bit fragile in the chin dept when he was badly hurt by Jumbo Cummings.

No doubt FW has to match him even more carefully now ( no change there though ) and we can see why he's been matched with all those non punchers now: the rumours were true this time.

And while his chin wont improve much, his skills & experience will, plus his punching power could well go up a level as he grows.

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 15 Jul 2007, 15:53

I don't think Khan's chin is particularly awful, but he leaves it out there to dry and he's often caught off-balance.

He's always gotten up and won; although, I must admit I haven't seen this fight, and I hear he was queer street. (That's because none of you B'stards have sent me a link to stream the fight. Tsk tsk.)

He obviously doesn't have a granite chin, but I think if he works on his defence and balance, it's workable.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 15 Jul 2007, 15:55

Hatton's chin was all but written off at world level after he stepped up against Magee. Now look at him.

Bottom line, Khan seemingly got hit harder than he ever has before and ended up on the floor. But it doesn't have to mean he's a KO waiting to happen every time he fights.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 15 Jul 2007, 18:56

What people seem to be missing is that Cummings and Magee were good punchers, while Limond is not a puncher at all... Hattons flash knockdown against Magee is hardly comparable to Khans near death experience with Limond...

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 15 Jul 2007, 20:03

silkov wrote:What people seem to be missing is that Cummings and Magee were good punchers, while Limond is not a puncher at all... Hattons flash knockdown against Magee is hardly comparable to Khans near death experience with Limond...

I agree with what you are saying, but being pedantic here - I do think Hatton was badly hurt vs Magee. Just knew how to smoother and recover. Not the KD, but in the second.

However, different stage of his career than what Khan is. He was older and been a pro for longer - so had less amateur faults to iron out. The current scoring system is so poor for a pro career. Hatton had a good survival instinct and didn't do the mistakes that Khan did once he was tagged. The Jason Rowland fight before taught him a bit.

I am sure that Hatton would have won a geniune world title off the likes of Mitchell, Corley etc even back then. Tszyu no. Khan is a baby compared to Hatton.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 16 Jul 2007, 04:23

I'm not missing anything. It's just worth remembering how chins have been written off in the past.

Khan got hurt by Limmond, so now most don't even give him a chance against British champ Thaxton.

Hatton got hurt by Magee, which led most to believe he'd get stopped in world class.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 16 Jul 2007, 08:52

totally agree with silkov

101boxing · Post by **101boxing** » 16 Jul 2007, 10:15

i think he showed tremendous professionalism to take a knee when he realised he was wobbled. that puts to bed that he is a flash harry in the ring......he is still learning, its only his 13th fight ffs!!

all the f*cking about/smiling at limond stopped after that and he showed strength and character to come back and win.

comparing him to audley is ridiculous.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 16 Jul 2007, 10:47

It's funny really, we often bemoan how losing the '0' in the modern fighters padded record is considered disasterous and stops young fighters being ambitiously matched in fights that might teach them something...

Now it's massive problem if they get knocked down!!

I think it's a bit early to write Khan off, at the end of the day he won.

I agree he was fortunate he wasn't in with someone of Limmond's class but his own size because his head would have been taken off but all things considered I think it's a bit foolish to write him off at this stage, he has some things he needs to work on but unlike Audley Harrison he's only 20 years old so has plenty of time to do so.

Bet the talk of winning a world title when he's 21 stops now though!

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 16 Jul 2007, 12:46

You cant write the kid off, of course you cant and he still has loads of time to improve but its no good talking about world titles either - The competition is very good and he still has a lot to prove - My hope is that he takes a more humbler attitude and sees what level he can reach rather than saying he is going all the way to the top - He isnt a Naz you can already see that but he is very talented - He could in time make it to Euro level but my guess is that will be about his limit.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 16 Jul 2007, 12:53

Goz wrote:It's funny really, we often bemoan how losing the '0' in the modern fighters padded record is considered disasterous and stops young fighters being ambitiously matched in fights that might teach them something...

Now it's massive problem if they get knocked down!!

I think it's a bit early to write Khan off, at the end of the day he won.

I agree he was fortunate he wasn't in with someone of Limmond's class but his own size because his head would have been taken off but all things considered I think it's a bit foolish to write him off at this stage, he has some things he needs to work on but unlike Audley Harrison he's only 20 years old so has plenty of time to do so.

Bet the talk of winning a world title when he's 21 stops now though!

That's very true. Whilst not writing him off, he'll be lucky to be British champ by next year. There's a hell of a lot of work to be done on the lad, his technique has to be ironed out, he needs to be settled down and slowed down a lot, he rushes at his opponents far too much, and with little guile.

Who the hell does he fight next though, Earl unless he is badly damaged goods seems a big risk to me.

jim wright · Post by **jim wright** » 16 Jul 2007, 13:43

I think we have to be careful when comparing Audley and Khan. Both have been under alot of pressure because their apprenticeship has been in the public gaze and surrounded by hype.

Terrestrial TV is to blame for the unrealistic pressure. Firstly the BBC, then ITV has spoon fed an uneducated public that they can bear witness to watching the journey of future world champions.

Most of us in the know knew that although both fighters did well in the Olympics, these achievements were by no means guarantees for success in the paid ranks.

The irony was that while so much store was placed on watching two novices take their embryonic steps, warts and all, ITV and BBC could have televised some excellent coverage by following the cream rising to the top as Britain is awash with fighters who can entertain and provide value for money.

However, don't fall for the 'unbeaten fighter' paradox. This is just a TV marketing tool. I know Khan didn't lose, but people are writing the kid off as if he had!

He has a lot of work to do for sure, but the lad is still a novice and that my friends is part of the learning process.

Carbo · Post by **Carbo** » 16 Jul 2007, 14:23

jim wright wrote:I think we have to be careful when comparing Audley and Khan. Both have been under alot of pressure because their apprenticeship has been in the public gaze and surrounded by hype.

Terrestrial TV is to blame for the unrealistic pressure. Firstly the BBC, then ITV has spoon fed an uneducated public that they can bear witness to watching the journey of future world champions.

Most of us in the know knew that although both fighters did well in the Olympics, these achievements were by no means guarantees for success in the paid ranks.

The irony was that while so much store was placed on watching two novices take their embryonic steps, warts and all, ITV and BBC could have televised some excellent coverage by following the cream rising to the top as Britain is awash with fighters who can entertain and provide value for money.

However, don't fall for the 'unbeaten fighter' paradox. This is just a TV marketing tool. I know Khan didn't lose, but people are writing the kid off as if he had!

He has a lot of work to do for sure, but the lad is still a novice and that my friends is part of the learning process.

Ray Leonard and Dla Hoya coped OK, though, didn't they?

I really can't believe that everybody is going so over the top. You'd think he was the second coming of Ray Robinson before the fight and a complete Joe Palooka after it.

Of course neither is true.

Another thing that I can't beleive is that nobody has sent me a link to this fight via PM. I can even do it on Skype, MSN or ICQ if anybody's got a copy. Please. Anybody?

jim wright · Post by **jim wright** » 16 Jul 2007, 14:30

Ray Leonard and Dla Hoya coped OK, though, didn't they?

This is true Carbo; but SRL and ODLH stole the show at the Olympics, I don't think that we could say the same for Audley and Khan!