So now we know why!!!!!!

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 17 Jul 2007, 12:09

Lets see what the next fight is before we judge. There's no reason why Khan v Earl should not be a main event. If Khan's career goes the other way then I will happily conceed to all the criticism.

Christ how long did we have to wait before Audley took on a major domestic rival? The Beeb contract had long since expired.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 17 Jul 2007, 12:27

Khan is not ready for someone like Earl, that is clear. I seriously doubt that will be the next step.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 17 Jul 2007, 14:06

Earl has been badly shaken up himself so many times. It's hardly beyond the realms of possiblilty that Khan could find the punches to take him out.

Limmond could beat Earl.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 17 Jul 2007, 14:25

Kilburn wrote:Earl has been badly shaken up himself so many times. It's hardly beyond the realms of possiblilty that Khan could find the punches to take him out.

Limmond could beat Earl.

This is what I was thinking, Limmond maybe better than Earl, especially at this stage of their careers

Also is Earl a bigger puncher than Limmond? Maybe he has a better workrate and finishing ability but a much bigger puncher I don't think so

It also interesting how no ones calling Katsidis china chinned after been decked by Earl, whereas when Khan gets decked, fraud is screamed by everyone

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 17 Jul 2007, 14:31

It's almost like people think all Earl or Thaxton need to do is touch Khan on the chin and it's over. It's going to take a lot more than that.

Limmond might have rocked Khan but he paid for it big time, and not by way of a desperate counter attack. Khan had regained all his strength and was relentless at the end.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 17 Jul 2007, 14:51

Katsidis who is a way way harder hitter than Khan couldn't nail Earl to the floor despite landing heavy shot after heavy shot and delivering a hell of a beating. While that fight probably took a lot out of Earl I don't fancy Khan's chances of stopping him even after that gruelling fight. I'd pick Earl to beat Khan right now.

Grilling Machine · Post by **Grilling Machine** » 17 Jul 2007, 15:05

stujones wrote:Bit of a difference between Co-Headlining and being the only fight being televised fully - which is what Audley was doing.

I don't see the difference at the public's end. Whatever billing it is, viewers switch on for the Khan fight, same as they did for Audley.

The casual American fans didn't know Hamed for a good few years after he hit the bigtime here. Amir could've joined the US circuit fighting quality journeymen, but he chose Warren and short-term riches. There'd be no special treatment abroad.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 17 Jul 2007, 15:19

I said the second he turned pro,he needed to go to the Sates and learn his craft.
In hard,tough gyms,with no nonsense trainers who more importantly,KNOW how to teach you all the trick's of the trade.

He could still go over there now,and get back to focusing solely on boxing(has he ever done that since being a pro?)
Unfortunately,I can't see that happening.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 17 Jul 2007, 15:26

nickd wrote:Katsidis who is a way way harder hitter than Khan couldn't nail Earl to the floor despite landing heavy shot after heavy shot and delivering a hell of a beating. While that fight probably took a lot out of Earl I don't fancy Khan's chances of stopping him even after that gruelling fight. I'd pick Earl to beat Khan right now.

Katsidis has the record of a puncher but really, there are no names on his resume. My thoughts at the time were that Earl's tactics helped make a strong guy look very strong. I don't expect to see Katsidis take a world class scalp.

Earl would never stand up to a similar kind of attack from Juan Diaz IMO.

Lightsoot · Post by **Lightsoot** » 17 Jul 2007, 15:34

Khan vs Earl could go either way. If Amir's smart he'll outbox Earl - he's more mobile and has far faster hands. Ricky Burns managed it, Bobby Vanzie (arguably) managed it twice, and Kevin Bennett had Earl out on his feet.

Khan's tactics must be right - if he elects to trade like Steve Murry and Yuri Romanov did by standing right in front of Earl then he could conceivably come unstuck.

Amir's chin is definitely suspect, it's likely to be his downfall, but that didn't stop Nigel Benn from achieving.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 17 Jul 2007, 15:40

Ben Carey wrote:Khan vs Earl could go either way. If Amir's smart he'll outbox Earl - he's more mobile and has far faster hands. Ricky Burns managed it, Bobby Vanzie (arguably) managed it twice, and Kevin Bennett had Earl out on his feet.

Khan's tactics must be right - if he elects to trade like Steve Murry and Yuri Romanov did by standing right in front of Earl then he could conceivably come unstuck.

Amir's chin is definitely suspect, it's likely to be his downfall, but that didn't stop Nigel Benn from achieving.

Good to see you on here Ben. For what it's worth I agree with you re. Khan and Earl. I'd expect Thaxton to nail him to the canvas if they fought now though - too strong, too strong-willed and too unorthodox for Amir at this stage.
Saturday provided him with a crucial reality check. Everything will be determined by the manner in which he responds...

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 17 Jul 2007, 15:40

what??? nigel had a great chin. he was just hit very hard on the occasions he went down.

khan wont fight earl - its a risk and team khan are not going to risk for the time being. he's young, he's a money spinner and they're not daft.

Lightsoot · Post by **Lightsoot** » 17 Jul 2007, 15:48

harrygreb wrote:what??? nigel had a great chin. he was just hit very hard on the occasions he went down.

khan wont fight earl - its a risk and team khan are not going to risk for the time being. he's young, he's a money spinner and they're not daft.

Bollocks Nigel had a great chin. Great survival instincts, yes. Sound whiskers? Nope.

Anthony Logan had him reeling, Michael Watson felled him with a jab. The squat Perez shook him badly (in his immediate fight after McClellan) and he was no puncher.

Just because Nigel fought back from the brink against The G-Man doesn't bestow the accolade of an iron jaw. He was all at sea, miraculously survived (credit to him), but generally if caught flush Nigel's legs would go.

What about the Italian Mauro Galvano who had Benn on rubbery legs in the dieing seconds of the final round of their rematch??

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 17 Jul 2007, 16:03

1 thing to remember is chin improves with age as a man becomes stronger and more muscular. Looks at Ali against Cooper for instance. Nigel Benn at the beggining of his career may not have taken the shots that McCellan landed on him as an older man.

Khans 2years into his pro-career, Katsidis is 6 years into his by comparison

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 17 Jul 2007, 16:05

selective and not close enough viewing.
against watson nigels eyes were virtually closed. post g-man nigels heart was not in it and this is the reason it looked like he was chinny from then on. if mcclellan couldnt knock him out (and he hit benn with a lot of power shots) then i rate nigels chin. great recovery.
its too easy to say benn had a rubbish chin. perhaps you need to get a bit closer to the nitty gritty of our sport.

Lightsoot · Post by **Lightsoot** » 17 Jul 2007, 16:12

harrygreb wrote:selective and not close enough viewing.
against watson nigels eyes were virtually closed. post g-man nigels heart was not in it and this is the reason it looked like he was chinny from then on. if mcclellan couldnt knock him out (and he hit benn with a lot of power shots) then i rate nigels chin. great recovery.
its too easy to say benn had a rubbish chin. perhaps you need to get a bit closer to the nitty gritty of our sport.

You cheeky chuff. I just happen to have a different view to you. All the instances I referred too regarding Benn's chin happned PRE McClellan. I'm not dissing Nigel's achievements, they were outstanding, but anyone who feels he possessed a cast iron chin has a selective memory.

Nigel was Britain's version of Thomas Hearns. Great puncher, great warrior, suspect chin.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 17 Jul 2007, 16:17

Benn had great recovery powers. He could be badly hurt, only to come back firing venomous, accurate punches seconds later. There is a difference between this and someone who heriocally tries to find a miracle equaliser while on jelly legs.

Holyfield could do it time and time again. Calzaghe did it against Mitchell.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 17 Jul 2007, 17:46

totally agree. we differ ben but i like your style, you cheeky chuff!!

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 17 Jul 2007, 17:52

When Hatton jumped ship Warren was seemingly left with a void to fill. Calzaghe has never really appealed to the general public, dodgy WBO defences tucked away on SKY may have seen to that. Khan was thrust into a headlining limelight too soon IMO but as Stu mentions he is now Commonwealth champion and the times of a protected prospect are over (not that they ever occurred in the first place). From the moments he turned professional and even before when he fought Kindelan he was a prime TV headliner even as an amateur!

Now he is a champion, only more single headlining dates will be coming his way. I'm really interested to see who he gets matched with next.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 17 Jul 2007, 17:54

cameron diaz is free at the moment

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 18 Jul 2007, 09:16

I'd match him with Craig Docherty next.

He doesn't carry much of a punch but will give a good enough test whilst keeping a decent learning curve for Khan going. If Khan can win good it might rebuild some lost confidence from the Limmond fight also.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 18 Jul 2007, 10:14

Craig Docherty is a good shout Cannibal, he would certainly work Khan's body. As for Nigel Benn, i remember his knockdown to Anthony Logan, the two were just swinging wild hooks at each other like a bar room brawl! Then Benn got collared. The shot he KO'd Logan with was a monster if i recall.

Scrap · Post by **Scrap** » 18 Jul 2007, 10:24

TheBen v Logan fight the ref was stepping in to stop it

THEBUTCH · Post by **THEBUTCH** » 18 Jul 2007, 11:15

Benn flattened him in the second, Logan somehow managed to get up but it was waved off with him completely gone. Cracking fight, two rounds of mayhem

Incidently, not read all the posts, but hopefully Logan isn't being compared to Limmond. Logan was far more dangerous than Willie.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 18 Jul 2007, 11:23

Kilburn wrote:Benn had great recovery powers. He could be badly hurt, only to come back firing venomous, accurate punches seconds later. There is a difference between this and someone who heriocally tries to find a miracle equaliser while on jelly legs.

Holyfield could do it time and time again. Calzaghe did it against Mitchell.

Calzaghe has amazing powers of recovery. Against both Mitchell and Salem, he eat absolute monster shots absolutely flush, and never saw them coming either! He seemed to get up completely recovered in both cases, which is pretty incredible given how resounding those shots were. He was up virtually at the count of one against Mitchell.