Pan Am Games Results [SPOILERS]

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 23 Jul 2007, 20:34

I think Mike Wilson could have continued, and it shouldn't have been stopped. he was beating Bence to the punch and just got rocked. Im not sure on the rules but like u uys were saying earlier about Porter, is the RSCH gonna hurt his Olympic hopes?? I personally think Hunter is a better 91+, but there last fight was close.

Robert Alphonso is going to dominate the rest of the field. He is physically imposing and has a great jab and defense. He could be a favorite for Olympic gold.

Anybody else notice you have to land like 5 clean shots to get credited for 1 point against the Brazilians?? I noticed it first when Downs fought Silva, and now Molina vs. Nogueria

zorndeslammes · Post by **zorndeslammes** » 23 Jul 2007, 21:00

re: Shawn Porter: It was a pretty big blast he got tagged with and he dropped almost immediately face first. Not as big as the one punch KO of Anderson Emmanuel, but still pretty serious.

Fights are always stopped much earlier in the am's, so I wasn't as shocked by the stoppage in Bence/Wilson. Disappointed, yes, because it prevented us from seeing something really interesting from both men, but somewhat expected. Alfonso IS huge, but I don't know about his coordination. He looks kinda sloppy when he punches, and that wasn't all that often against a very overmatched foe. I'm interested to see what happens in the next round. And Noguiera moves forward again! Pretty impressive for a guy who probably has less than ten amateur bouts (but many MMA fights).

I'm kinda disappointed that none of the bouts under 91KG got televised today. Guzman/Fiss and Del Valle/Cotto were the most intruiging fights of the day.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 23 Jul 2007, 22:29

According to the Pan Am coverage, he was KO'd (RSCH'd). According to USAB web site, he was RSC'd - not H'd and put on restriction. If he didn't get a restriction, he'll be at the Trials. If he did, he'll be squeaking through to participate. I don't think it will hamper his pro career much if he's marketed correctly.

Now, with Mike Wilson getting H'd today, he should be out of the Trials. With a 30-day restriction, he wouldn't be able to get cleared to box until the 22nd and couldn't box until the 23rd.

No, I haven't noted any discrepancies/biases in the scoring during Brazil's bouts.

Ricky - was quite impressed with McWilliams! He got a bit sloppy but, otherwise, looked good.

Was NOT impressed with Yoandry Salinas. Don't like his style of running backward, popping a jab or two, and then running around the ring. Made my heart happy when the ref cautioned him to box.

#1fan · Post by **#1fan** » 24 Jul 2007, 05:44

According to the USA Boxing site, Mike Wilson did not get nor should he have received an "H". He was clearly able to continue and should have been allowed to do so. This was a terrible call on the Italian ref. Mike no doubt would have beat Bence in this rematch. It is unfortunate for him. He will put it all out there in the trials. Good luck to him.

#1fan · Post by **#1fan** » 24 Jul 2007, 05:50

jtyson wrote:I think Mike Wilson could have continued, and it shouldn't have been stopped. he was beating Bence to the punch and just got rocked. Im not sure on the rules but like u uys were saying earlier about Porter, is the RSCH gonna hurt his Olympic hopes?? I personally think Hunter is a better 91+, but there last fight was close.

Robert Alphonso is going to dominate the rest of the field. He is physically imposing and has a great jab and defense. He could be a favorite for Olympic gold.

Anybody else notice you have to land like 5 clean shots to get credited for 1 point against the Brazilians?? I noticed it first when Downs fought Silva, and now Molina vs. Nogueria

Well I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, mine personally is that Wilson is a better all around candidate for the trials. So Hunter beat Mike at the trial. He got a much luckier draw. To Hunters six total rounds of boxing prior to their fight, Wilson had 20 rounds with a much tougher side of the bracket. I guess we will see at the trails who is the better of the two.

Roberts J · Post by **Roberts J** » 24 Jul 2007, 07:41

As a boxer, the suspension for 30 days in a amatuer contest seems wrong. But as a heavyweight I know the blows that one takes, but still, 30 days, come on. What about Willet , is his shoulder totally done for the trials ?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Jul 2007, 09:12

To Hunters six total rounds of boxing prior to their fight, Wilson had 20 rounds with a much tougher side of the bracket.

Not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that all Hunter had in the way of boxing experience was 6 rounds? I've seen him in more than that.

A 30 day restriction is mandatory in the case of "too many head blows, i.e., RSCH." And that's a good thing. You don't want a boxer dying due to Second Impact Syndrome because he boxed too soon after having his brain smacked around his head. My husband had a boxer collapse and go into a coma in the ring several years ago. He had been hit in the head with a jet ski several weeks prior and his parents didn't tell anyone. Luckily, with rehabilitation, he came out of it okay.

emile · Post by **emile** » 24 Jul 2007, 09:46

boxmel wrote:
To Hunters six total rounds of boxing prior to their fight, Wilson had 20 rounds with a much tougher side of the bracket.
Not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that all Hunter had in the way of boxing experience was 6 rounds? I've seen him in more than that.

He means that's how many rounds they each fought at the Championships, because Hunter got a bye draw and Wilson didn't. Wilson had a much tougher path to the final, but, then again, Hunter had earned his bye. But we don't need to speculate about who is better - at the moment it's Hunter, because he just won head-to-head. That can get turned around at the trials, but right now Hunter is #1 at that weight. Hunter also split two fights with Bence in May.

J*BOX* · Post by J*BOX* » 24 Jul 2007, 10:17

emile wrote:
boxmel wrote:
To Hunters six total rounds of boxing prior to their fight, Wilson had 20 rounds with a much tougher side of the bracket.
Not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that all Hunter had in the way of boxing experience was 6 rounds? I've seen him in more than that.
He means that's how many rounds they each fought at the Championships, because Hunter got a bye draw and Wilson didn't. Wilson had a much tougher path to the final, but, then again, Hunter had earned his bye. But we don't need to speculate about who is better - at the moment it's Hunter, because he just won head-to-head. That can get turned around at the trials, but right now Hunter is #1 at that weight. Hunter also split two fights with Bence in May.

YEH... I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY GO OFF THE US CHAMPIONSHIPS FOR THERE RANKINGS .....SO FROM THAT ONE FIGHT THAT DETERMINES WHO IS "BETTER" IN YOUR OPINION. BUT NOT LOOKING AT THE FACT WILSON HAD ALREADY FOUGHT 5 TIMES AND WON EVERYONE OF THEM, AND I THINK IF "ANOTHER" FIGHTER WOULD HAVE HAD HIS BRACKET THEY WOULD HAVE NOT MADE IT TO THE FINALS. BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION FROM BEING IN COLORADO WATCHING THE FIGHTS. AND WITH BENCE... WILSON WAS WINNING THAT FIGHT AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE LET HIM CONTINUE.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Jul 2007, 11:00

Thanks, Emile. Sometimes my brain doesn't work too well.

Happy to report that USAB says that neither Porter nor Wilson received restrictions. That's good news.

peruboxing · Post by **peruboxing** » 24 Jul 2007, 16:06

The peruvian fighter Carlos zambrano who won his flight by in jury decision last 21, learned that he was not to fight the quarter finals of the tournament when he was not allowed to step into the scale and he was told that his rival davi souza form Brazil had won an appeal on the 5-5 result they had in the ring. it was heartbreking news for zambrano the single participant for his country. his coach was also was notified then at a time when there was nothing left to do.

Very shameful tactics by the brazilian team and the organization.

emile · Post by **emile** » 24 Jul 2007, 17:18

7/24/2007

48kg Kevin Betancourt (Venezuela) d Carlos Ortiz (Puerto Rico) 14-8
48kg Luis Yanez (USA) d Wilton Mendez (Dom Rep) 14-6
54kg Claudio Marrero (Dom Rep) d Clive Atwell (Guyana) 16-4
54kg Carlos Cuadras (Mexico) d James Dean Pereira (Brazil) 20-15
60kg Yordenis Ugas (Cuba) d Luis Rueda (Argentina) 20-7
60kg Everton Lopes (Brazil) d Jose Pedraza (Puerto Rico) 7-2
69kg Pedro Lima (Brazil) d Ricardo Smith (Jamaica) 12-4
69kg Demetrius Andrade (USA) d Diego Chaves (Argentina) 22-0
81kg Yusiel Napoles (Cuba) d Christopher Downs (USA) 8-5
81kg Eleider Alvarez (Colombia) d Julio Castillo (Ecuador) 10-8

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 24 Jul 2007, 17:23

Good to see Andrade giving a strong showing. With Lara having defected, he has to be a favorite at 69.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 24 Jul 2007, 17:51

Luis Yanez won as well.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Jul 2007, 19:11

Emile - where are you getting the results? The Pan Am site is v-e-r-r-y
s-l-o-o-o-o-w in reporting decisions.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 24 Jul 2007, 19:51

peruboxing wrote:The peruvian fighter Carlos zambrano who won his flight by in jury decision last 21, learned that he was not to fight the quarter finals of the tournament when he was not allowed to step into the scale and he was told that his rival davi souza form Brazil had won an appeal on the 5-5 result they had in the ring. it was heartbreking news for zambrano the single participant for his country. his coach was also was notified then at a time when there was nothing left to do.

Very shameful tactics by the brazilian team and the organization.

That is some shady sounding BS.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Jul 2007, 19:59

So, AIBA's cleaning up its act, eh? Everything is fair and above board. Yeah, sure.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 24 Jul 2007, 20:28

boxmel wrote:So, AIBA's cleaning up its act, eh? Everything is fair and above board. Yeah, sure.

No kidding. And I thought I had heard positive things about the Brazilian scoring system before this event? Are they using that, or the normal AIBA electronic system? Either way, that's just lame, screwing over a boxer who appears to have won legitimately in his opponent's home country.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Jul 2007, 21:12

They are using the German system. The system is working fine. The people aren't.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 24 Jul 2007, 23:13

boxmel wrote:They are using the German system. The system is working fine. The people aren't.

Isn't the German system's nickname "screw the foreigner!"? (at least in the pros, it is).

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 25 Jul 2007, 09:21

Kolya - you are very funny! And I'm sure you're kidding.

From what I heard the decision was overturned because, supposedly, the first score was determined in the normal manner (accepted score from all the judges) when it should have had the high and low tossed out. Now, this doesn't make sense since AIBA has stopped shipping the systems due to "bugs" and has stated it won't be used until after Beijing. So, they either are trying to test it in Rio at the boxer's expense and the system "bugged," unless the techs weren't told they had to manually toss out the high and the low and add up the remaining three scores. Who knows, but I'm becoming very disenchanted with the new AIBA regime.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 25 Jul 2007, 10:44

boxmel wrote:Kolya - you are very funny! And I'm sure you're kidding.

From what I heard the decision was overturned because, supposedly, the first score was determined in the normal manner (accepted score from all the judges) when it should have had the high and low tossed out. Now, this doesn't make sense since AIBA has stopped shipping the systems due to "bugs" and has stated it won't be used until after Beijing. So, they either are trying to test it in Rio at the boxer's expense and the system "bugged," unless the techs weren't told they had to manually toss out the high and the low and add up the remaining three scores. Who knows, but I'm becoming very disenchanted with the new AIBA regime.

The worst part, as peruboxing said above, is that the peruvian officials, the coach and the fighter were notified of this when there was nothing left to do. No time for appeals, revisions, nothing... de facto, boom! you're out! ala Don Corleone. Wonderful job.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 25 Jul 2007, 11:22

Something is definitely rotten when both parties are not made aware of any protests/appeals. The Peru delegation should have been told about the "discrepancy."

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 25 Jul 2007, 13:05

Everyone seems upset because the decision was changed for the home boxer but fact is they made a mistake in declaring Zambrano the winner. The mistake was corrected and that's the most important thing. There was a mistake and the decision was overturned. The rules are clear about this. Maybe the Peruvians should have gotten the chance to appeal, I don't know. The jury must have been pretty sure about changing a result, it doesn't happen very often.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 25 Jul 2007, 13:16

jtyson wrote:I think Mike Wilson could have continued, and it shouldn't have been stopped. he was beating Bence to the punch and just got rocked. Im not sure on the rules but like u uys were saying earlier about Porter, is the RSCH gonna hurt his Olympic hopes?? I personally think Hunter is a better 91+, but there last fight was close.

Robert Alphonso is going to dominate the rest of the field. He is physically imposing and has a great jab and defense. He could be a favorite for Olympic gold.

Anybody else notice you have to land like 5 clean shots to get credited for 1 point against the Brazilians?? I noticed it first when Downs fought Silva, and now Molina vs. Nogueria

No RSCH for Porter, just a regular RSC. I agree that Downs was not getting credit for his punches and to be down 0-1 at the end of the first round was ridiculous. He should have been up by about 4 or 5 points. Silva landed one glancing blow and gets credit and Downs lands 5 or 6 clearer punches and didn't get credit for any of them. I'm just glad Downs ended up winning.

Pan Am Games Results [SPOILERS]

Change in results for 57 kgs!!!

Re: Change in results for 57 kgs!!!