anyone remember Hagler/Roldan?

[bobbyd]

As i can recall,Roldan was ahead after 9 rounds and was the first man to deck hagler.Hagler then thumbed Roldan in the 10th and then as i can vaguely recall, it was soon over.I remember thinking what a dirty low down move that was on hagler's part.He knew that he was going to lose if he didnt pull out a dirty trick idea out of that bald head of his.
I never ever see this fight posted on youtube and obviously it's for obvious reasons.Roldan really exposed Hagler in this shamefull outing of hagler's.It would have been so much classier if he had lost like a man instead of pulling off that dirty dispicable thumb in the eye move of his.They probably delete it from youtube everytime someone does post this shamefull debacle of a disgracefull display from a classless no good cheating bully that hagler turned out to obviously show himself to be.

[KOJOE90]

They probably delete it from youtube everytime someone does post this.

Who are they?

Hagler doesn't own Youtube as far as I know.

[Elton John]

As i can recall,Roldan was ahead after 9 rounds and was the first man to deck hagler.Hagler then thumbed Roldan in the 10th and then as i can vaguely recall, it was soon over.I remember thinking what a dirty low down move that was on hagler's part.He knew that he was going to lose if he didnt pull out a dirty trick idea out of that bald head of his.
I never ever see this fight posted on youtube and obviously it's for obvious reasons.Roldan really exposed Hagler in this shamefull outing of hagler's.It would have been so much classier if he had lost like a man instead of pulling off that dirty dispicable thumb in the eye move of his.They probably delete it from youtube everytime someone does post this shamefull debacle of a disgracefull display from a classless no good cheating bully that hagler turned out to obviously show himself to be.

The questions should be: do YOU remember the fight??

i don't know where you got the idea that Roldan was ahead or that Roldan got injured during the third when his eye actually slammed shut in the third.

Roldan won the first two rounds but the knockdown was ruled incorrectly. marvin slipped under a punch and Roldan inconsequently pulled him down as Marvin was off balance. The film shows no blow had landed.

The first two rounds were fast pace with lots of hard shots thrown. Marvin had trouble not only landing but could not avoid getting hit. It was at this point Hagler he was given the label "hittable".

When the third round heated up, there was an exchange and Marvin slammed a left into the eye. No sign of a thumb was ever shown on the replay.

Roldan fought valiantly for the rest of the night and giving as good as he got. Ray Leonard said from ringside that "marvin isn't taking advantage of the fact that his opponent is handicapped" meaning that he should aim for the eye.

At the end of the ninth round, it was noted that Juan had had enough and that he didn't want to fight anymore while Merchant stated that Roldan won the round.

With five rounds left, Hagler took aim at the eye and Roldan folded early in the tenth.

And that's exactly the way it went.

By the way, Hagler was ahead on all three scorecards at the end of the ninth.

[Collins2000]

They probably delete it from youtube everytime someone does post this.

Who are they?

Hagler doesn't own Youtube as far as I know.

They are The Hagler Industry, a subsidiary of The Ali Industry.

Crankberry should be able to clarify this.

[bollox]

What's funny about this fight is Roldan's cornermen after several of the later rounds........."you're doing great. keep doing what you're doing" (at this stage he was getting a bit of a thrashing)

[funso banjo baby]

cracking fight


certainly like most of hagler challengers....(hamsho, sibson, obel, mugabi) Roldan would have beaten anyother middle that night.....


but not Hagler



greatest of them all

[ringsider]

certainly like most of hagler challengers....(hamsho, sibson, obel, mugabi) Roldan would have beaten anyother middle that night.....

but not Hagler



greatest of them all boxing

What a load of shit. Greatest of the average maybe....

[funso banjo baby]

Hamsho .....sibson......obel...mugabi.....roldan would all be middleweight champion faced with todays sorry bunch........


have u watched Hopkins versus eastman ? sibbo would have punished hopkins and ripped him into a bloody mess by the ninth round

[dr_devious]

Hamsho .....sibson......obel...mugabi.....roldan would all be middleweight champion faced with todays sorry bunch........


have u watched Hopkins versus eastman ? sibbo would have punished hopkins and ripped him into a bloody mess by the ninth round

No chance, Sibson might not have even have beaten Eastman never mind Hopkins.

[Broncano]

What's funny about this fight is Roldan's cornermen after several of the later rounds.........
"you're doing great. keep doing what you're doing" (at this stage he was getting a bit of a thrashing)

Not only that but Roldan's trainer Tito Lectoure (also trained Monzon, Victor Galindez and many other argentinian champs) was using derogatory
racial comments about Hagler to get Roldan motivated in between rounds.
As early as the 7th Roldan wanted to quit telling Lectoure
"I'm tired, I can't go any further", only to hear from his trainer back:
"you can't be tired, you are trained for 20 rounds!!!, remember Galindez!!"(when he TKoed Rochie Kates in the 15th, bleeding badly)
In the end Roldan couldn't quit on his stool so he did it in the ring.

[granberry]

What's funny about this fight is Roldan's cornermen after several of the later rounds.........
"you're doing great. keep doing what you're doing" (at this stage he was getting a bit of a thrashing)

Not only that but Roldan's trainer Tito Lectoure (also trained Monzon, Victor Galindez and many other argentinian champs) was using derogatory
racial comments about Hagler to get Roldan motivated in between rounds.
As early as the 7th Roldan wanted to quit telling Lectoure
"I'm tired, I can't go any further", only to hear from his trainer back:
"you can't be tired, you are trained for 20 rounds!!!, remember Galindez!!"(when he TKoed Rochie Kates in the 15th, bleeding badly)
In the end Roldan couldn't quit on his stool so he did it in the ring.

You remember nothing about the fact he was thumbed

and that he was complaining in the corner that his eye hurt too much to continue?

And I guess Duran never thumbed Davey Moore.

And Larry Holmes never thumbed Scott Frank AND Scott LeDoux AND Leroy Jones.

By the way,

what in the world happened to Galindez in the Marvin Johnson fight?

He sure got clobbered.

[BoxBuzz]

Mind if I just thumb my nose (with respect of course) at this latest contribution from the grannyman?

[markl]

Roldan was far from ahead. The knockdown was a slip and Hagler was kicking his ass.

Where is the poll answer for you're an idiot?

[bobbyd]

Roldan was far from ahead. The knockdown was a slip and Hagler was kicking his ass.

Where is the poll answer for you're an idiot?

I was 13 or 14 when i saw the fight and i havent seen it since.I'm 37 now and yeah,compared to a rocket scientist i am indeed pretty much basically an idiot by those means of comparisons.
You really cant deny the obvious fact that Hagler did thumb em though.
I mean,come on allready.It was abundantly blatantly obvious that Baldie haggey was beginning to panic by the third round and decided to let er rip with the good ole reliable trusty thumby.
If the thumb hadnt worked he probably would've started relying on his
Big Brick Thick Skull.That's why he loved staying bald.To show off his Big Brick Thick Skull.

[funso banjo baby]

silly thread NO.37

[markl]

Roldan was far from ahead. The knockdown was a slip and Hagler was kicking his ass.

Where is the poll answer for you're an idiot?

I was 13 or 14 when i saw the fight and i havent seen it since.I'm 37 now and yeah,compared to a rocket scientist i am indeed pretty much basically an idiot by those means of comparisons.
You really cant deny the obvious fact that Hagler did thumb em though.
I mean,come on allready.It was abundantly blatantly obvious that Baldie haggey was beginning to panic by the third round and decided to let er rip with the good ole reliable trusty thumby.
If the thumb hadnt worked he probably would've started relying on his
Big Brick Thick Skull.That's why he loved staying bald.To show off his Big Brick Thick Skull.

I just remember Hagler beating his ass. I will dust off my DVD this week.

[dempseyfire]

Bobbyd is to Hagler as

Granberry is to Ali

Although it seems that granberry has a grudge against Marvin as well . .

[markl]

I can see where Ali's act could rub some the wrong way. Although this guy seems to attack his in ring talents.....that is lol.


It is a felony in many states to hate Hagler. Hearns & Duran are two of my 3 alltime favorites. So Hagler wasn't at the top of my list. But to not respect what he did and what it took for him to get there, is pathetic.

[bobbyd]

I can see where Ali's act could rub some the wrong way. Although this guy seems to attack his in ring talents.....that is lol.


It is a felony in many states to hate Hagler. Hearns & Duran are two of my 3 alltime favorites. So Hagler wasn't at the top of my list. But to not respect what he did and what it took for him to get there, is pathetic.

Yeah.I should give mad respect to a scary freak that hid behind a bald head and a goatee.Not to mention,a trusty mean ole thumb in case things start gettin too hairy in the ring.Yup.Big bad Tough Bad Ass Hagler with his ever so Carefully guided carear and Fluke Luck in getting Hearns to forsake a proper game plan in favor of stayin wide open while flail away style trading with the Big Bad Scary Bald Freak who was ever so content and glad to show just how BIG and BAD he was by taking up such FIERCE challenges from the likes of Hamani,obliejiamas(sp?),and Sibson.Yup.He was such a tough guy by fighting the 3 stooges instead of calling out Ayala,who would've made em look like the stupid bald freak he really was.
And IF you're Boxer God "Big Badass bald freak hagler" was SO badass,why did he cry and bitch about not getting another fight with Leonard and then resolve to retire?Why didnt he stick around for another 3 or 4 years like A REAL BADASS would?!
Hmm.Maybe Perhaps he was too scared of losing face.Maybe he was afraid fighters like Mike McCallum,Julian Jackson and Terry Norris would Crack his Big Bad Bald head in half.Just imagine had he stuck around till 91 and fought Roy jones and James Toney.He'd have been made into Minced Meat.
The guy fought a very carefully guided and extremely luck blessed carear.Hearns would've easily handed em his ass in a rematch.A prime,focused and non rusty Leonard would've busted em up and embarrassed em had they fought a few years earlier.
Yup.Extremely blessed that Ayala was a screw up,Hearns could get overanxious and thrown off a proper gameplan fight strategy for the sake of all out trading with even a Rock Skulled Freak like Marvelous Martian Marvin.
Yup.He was One Blessedly lucky Freak of Nature,that Ugly Mother effer.

[Broncano]

By the way,

what in the world happened to Galindez in the Marvin Johnson fight?

He sure got clobbered.

He had fired the man who built his career and took him to the title, Tito Lectoure. (The same guy who was barking racial epithets about Hagler) Monzon was in his corner for that fight, and apparently he'd killed himself making the weight, too.

[Ezzard]

I can see where Ali's act could rub some the wrong way. Although this guy seems to attack his in ring talents.....that is lol.


It is a felony in many states to hate Hagler. Hearns & Duran are two of my 3 alltime favorites. So Hagler wasn't at the top of my list. But to not respect what he did and what it took for him to get there, is pathetic.

Yeah.I should give mad respect to a scary freak that hid behind a bald head and a goatee.Not to mention,a trusty mean ole thumb in case things start gettin too hairy in the ring.Yup.Big bad Tough Bad Ass Hagler with his ever so Carefully guided carear and Fluke Luck in getting Hearns to forsake a proper game plan in favor of stayin wide open while flail away style trading with the Big Bad Scary Bald Freak who was ever so content and glad to show just how BIG and BAD he was by taking up such FIERCE challenges from the likes of Hamani,obliejiamas(sp?),and Sibson.Yup.He was such a tough guy by fighting the 3 stooges instead of calling out Ayala,who would've made em look like the stupid bald freak he really was.
And IF you're Boxer God "Big Badass bald freak hagler" was SO badass,why did he cry and bitch about not getting another fight with Leonard and then resolve to retire?Why didnt he stick around for another 3 or 4 years like A REAL BADASS would?!
Hmm.Maybe Perhaps he was too scared of losing face.Maybe he was afraid fighters like Mike McCallum,Julian Jackson and Terry Norris would Crack his Big Bad Bald head in half.Just imagine had he stuck around till 91 and fought Roy jones and James Toney.He'd have been made into Minced Meat.
The guy fought a very carefully guided and extremely luck blessed carear.Hearns would've easily handed em his ass in a rematch.A prime,focused and non rusty Leonard would've busted em up and embarrassed em had they fought a few years earlier.
Yup.Extremely blessed that Ayala was a screw up,Hearns could get overanxious and thrown off a proper gameplan fight strategy for the sake of all out trading with even a Rock Skulled Freak like Marvelous Martian Marvin.
Yup.He was One Blessedly lucky Freak of Nature,that Ugly Mother effer.

Bobby

Hagler did not have an over-protected career. Look it up on boxrec. before becoming champion he took on a number of top fighters in risky fights. There's no way up and coming fighters would take on the 'Philly Iron' like Hagler did. He was far from over-protected and had to fight his way up the hard way.

He stayed open to a rematch with Leonard for 12 months. Leonard was the one who retired. He then came back after Hagler retired.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'real badass'? Are you saying he was mean guy with a bowel problem!!!???

As for thumbing. If it's so easy to intentionally thumb another guy why didn't Roldan do it in return? Why don't top fighters get thumbed by lesser opponents all the time?

[markl]

Bobby,

You're really too assanine to even bother with. Protected career? Hagler was probably the most ducked #1 contender of the modern era. He was #1 for fornicating years.

McCallum never wanted any of Marvin. That is why he moved up right after marvin retired.

As for retiring before you're an old washed up man. Bravo!

Are you a former fighter that Marvin abused? Or just a hate filled moron?

Imagine if he came back now at 55. He would never beat Klitchko....you're a complete joke.

[Broncano]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'real badass'? Are you saying he was mean guy with a bowel problem!!!???

that would explain our friend's rant. Bowel problems are responsible for many a temper tantrum.

[dempseyfire]

I can see where Ali's act could rub some the wrong way. Although this guy seems to attack his in ring talents.....that is lol.


It is a felony in many states to hate Hagler. Hearns & Duran are two of my 3 alltime favorites. So Hagler wasn't at the top of my list. But to not respect what he did and what it took for him to get there, is pathetic.

Yeah.I should give mad respect to a scary freak that hid behind a bald head and a goatee.Not to mention,a trusty mean ole thumb in case things start gettin too hairy in the ring.Yup.Big bad Tough Bad Ass Hagler with his ever so Carefully guided carear and Fluke Luck in getting Hearns to forsake a proper game plan in favor of stayin wide open while flail away style trading with the Big Bad Scary Bald Freak who was ever so content and glad to show just how BIG and BAD he was by taking up such FIERCE challenges from the likes of Hamani,obliejiamas(sp?),and Sibson.Yup.He was such a tough guy by fighting the 3 stooges instead of calling out Ayala,who would've made em look like the stupid bald freak he really was.
And IF you're Boxer God "Big Badass bald freak hagler" was SO badass,why did he cry and bitch about not getting another fight with Leonard and then resolve to retire?Why didnt he stick around for another 3 or 4 years like A REAL BADASS would?!
Hmm.Maybe Perhaps he was too scared of losing face.Maybe he was afraid fighters like Mike McCallum,Julian Jackson and Terry Norris would Crack his Big Bad Bald head in half.Just imagine had he stuck around till 91 and fought Roy jones and James Toney.He'd have been made into Minced Meat.
The guy fought a very carefully guided and extremely luck blessed carear.Hearns would've easily handed em his ass in a rematch.A prime,focused and non rusty Leonard would've busted em up and embarrassed em had they fought a few years earlier.
Yup.Extremely blessed that Ayala was a screw up,Hearns could get overanxious and thrown off a proper gameplan fight strategy for the sake of all out trading with even a Rock Skulled Freak like Marvelous Martian Marvin.
Yup.He was One Blessedly lucky Freak of Nature,that Ugly Mother effer.

Did Hagler steal your girlfriend?? What a STUPID post! hahaha. Hagler was a wuss for not staying and fighting Jones Jr and Toney . . . riiight

Just like Ali was a wuss for not sticking around and fighting Tyson, Lewis, and Wladimir Klitschko!!! What a wimp!!!

[bobbyd]

I can see where Ali's act could rub some the wrong way. Although this guy seems to attack his in ring talents.....that is lol.


It is a felony in many states to hate Hagler. Hearns & Duran are two of my 3 alltime favorites. So Hagler wasn't at the top of my list. But to not respect what he did and what it took for him to get there, is pathetic.

Yeah.I should give mad respect to a scary freak that hid behind a bald head and a goatee.Not to mention,a trusty mean ole thumb in case things start gettin too hairy in the ring.Yup.Big bad Tough Bad Ass Hagler with his ever so Carefully guided carear and Fluke Luck in getting Hearns to forsake a proper game plan in favor of stayin wide open while flail away style trading with the Big Bad Scary Bald Freak who was ever so content and glad to show just how BIG and BAD he was by taking up such FIERCE challenges from the likes of Hamani,obliejiamas(sp?),and Sibson.Yup.He was such a tough guy by fighting the 3 stooges instead of calling out Ayala,who would've made em look like the stupid bald freak he really was.
And IF you're Boxer God "Big Badass bald freak hagler" was SO badass,why did he cry and bitch about not getting another fight with Leonard and then resolve to retire?Why didnt he stick around for another 3 or 4 years like A REAL BADASS would?!
Hmm.Maybe Perhaps he was too scared of losing face.Maybe he was afraid fighters like Mike McCallum,Julian Jackson and Terry Norris would Crack his Big Bad Bald head in half.Just imagine had he stuck around till 91 and fought Roy jones and James Toney.He'd have been made into Minced Meat.
The guy fought a very carefully guided and extremely luck blessed carear.Hearns would've easily handed em his ass in a rematch.A prime,focused and non rusty Leonard would've busted em up and embarrassed em had they fought a few years earlier.
Yup.Extremely blessed that Ayala was a screw up,Hearns could get overanxious and thrown off a proper gameplan fight strategy for the sake of all out trading with even a Rock Skulled Freak like Marvelous Martian Marvin.
Yup.He was One Blessedly lucky Freak of Nature,that Ugly Mother effer.

Did Hagler steal your girlfriend?? What a STUPID post! hahaha. Hagler was a wuss for not staying and fighting Jones Jr and Toney . . . riiight

Just like Ali was a wuss for not sticking around and fighting Tyson, Lewis, and Wladimir Klitschko!!! What a wimp!!!

I meant,Jones jr.,and Hopkins.He could've stuck around till a ways into 91.He'd have been 37 and based on Hagler's style,that would'nt have been a far fetched scenario at all.He was a plodding brute with heavy hands and a very good set of whiskers.That about sums it up with the Legendary bald badass revolutionary who was so ever content to be the premier bully figure of the mwt division of the 80's.Preying and feasting on easily dismantable foes like Caveman Lee,Hamani,Oblijeiamas,Sibson,and a return clash with an old disheartened and mentally traumatized Vito.
A very Sad shame he didnt stick around,call out and go at it with the likes of McCallum,McClellun,Curry,Julian Jackson,or a Return go with Hearns.
I find it really amusing when Hagler was saying in an interview that he feels really bad still that He didnt get to fight Monzon."It would've been a battle of wills" was his own analytical conclusion.I personally think that it would've been more a case of being "A Clinic of humiliation thrown down on the Big Bad Bald Mutant."
The Bully would've been Owned!