Pan Am Games Results [SPOILERS]

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 25 Jul 2007, 13:20

zorndeslammes wrote:re: Shawn Porter: It was a pretty big blast he got tagged with and he dropped almost immediately face first. Not as big as the one punch KO of Anderson Emmanuel, but still pretty serious.

Shawn did not go face down, he landed flat on his back. I watched the tape over and over and it wasn't even a legal punch! The guy's punch was a slap that landed with heel of the palm on Shawn's chin. The knockdown was hard and it looked like Shawn might be out which is why the ref stopped it. However, Shawn got up at what would have been the count of 3 or 4 and didn't stagger or anything, but the ref had already stopped it. Shawn did NOT receive a suspension.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 25 Jul 2007, 13:30

locoxelbox wrote: Maybe the Peruvians should have gotten the chance to appeal, I don't know. The jury must have been pretty sure about changing a result, it doesn't happen very often.

What do you mean by "maybe they should have gotten the chance to appeal"? Maybe??? please... the parties concerned by any administrative decision emanating from any governing body must be properly NOTIFIED and given a prudent time for any appeals/observations.
Zambrano found out about this when he showed up for the weigh-in!
As soon as the Brazilians filed their appeal the Peruvians should have been notified. Instead they were notified after the fact. And you see nothing wrong with that?

The mistake was corrected and that's the most important thing. There was a mistake and the decision was overturned. The rules are clear about this.

I couldn't disagree more. The most important thing was not that a mistake was corrected. Those happen very often and correcting them should not be commended but rather EXPECTED .
The most important thing is that AIBA continues to conduct its business in a controversial manner.
Maybe the decision was right. Maybe the Brazilian should have won. What is absolutely wrong is the way the organizers have handled this affair. Operating under cover of darkness they call it...

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 25 Jul 2007, 13:37

The question about who is the better MIKE - Wilson or Hunter will be answered at the trials box-offs. It is possible that they may face each other twice. At the US Championships, Wilson did have a tough bracket. He had an easy first bout, but his second bout against Felix Stewart was tough. His third bout against Donovan Dennis was a lot tougher than I expected. Dennis has improved a lot over the last year. Wilson then had to box Nate James which was another tough bout. Wilson's next bout against William Moore was another one that was a lot tougher than I had anticipated. Wilson was banged up and had nose bleeds in some of his bouts so he wasn't at his best against Hunter. That bout was an extremely close one, but I didn't think Hunter boxed his best as I have seen him look better.

I hope that they never have the US Championships set up that way again where certain boxers have to compete 2-3 more times than boxers who received automatic byes into the quarter-finals. The trials will be fair with the 8 man brackets and the double-elimination format. Whichever Mike wins, deserves to represent the US, but wait they have to get by Nate James and the other SH's at the trials. My prediction is it will be one of the two Mikes or Nate James.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 25 Jul 2007, 13:51

The mistake was corrected and that's the most important thing. There was a mistake and the decision was overturned.

Can anyone tell me why the "mistake" was only in that one bout and hasn't happened throughout the tournament??????? Maybe it was one of the "bugs" they are trying to work out. If this is the case, they shouldn't be testing the system at a tournament of this magnitude. And why the Peru delegation was not told once the decision was reversed?

Neither Porter nor Wilson received restriction periods (even though they were both reported as H's on the Pan Am results site). Wonder how that happened.......as far as I know, you can't rescind an H. Maybe Wilson's was overturned due to bad mechanics on the part of the ref.....who knows.

emile · Post by **emile** » 25 Jul 2007, 17:19

July 25, 2007

51kg Juan Carlos Payano (Dom Rep) d Braulio Avila (Mexico) 20-4
51kg McWilliams Arroyo (Puerto Rico) d Yoandry Salinas (Cuba) RSCH2

57kg Idel Torriente (Cuba) d Orlando Rizo (Nicaragua) 25-3
57kg Abner Cotto (Puerto Rico) d Davi Sousa (Brazil) 16-12 (result pending :) )
64kg Karl Dargan (USA) d Myke Carvalho (Brazil) 9-8
64kg Jonathan Gonzalez (Puerto Rico) d Innocente Fiss (Cuba) 4-2
75kg Argenis Nunez (Dom Rep) d Glaucelio Abreu (Brazil) 19-14
75kg Emilio Correa (Cuba) d Carlos Gangora (Ecuador) 21-13
91kg Jose Payares (Venezuela) d Jorge Quinonez (Ecuador) 1-1
91kg Osmay Acosta (Cuba) d Rafael Lima (Brazil) RSCH2
91+kg Oscar Rivas (Colombia) d Didier Bence (Canada) WO
91+kg Robert Alfonso (Cuba) d Antonio Nogueira 4-0

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 25 Jul 2007, 18:34

so thats atleast 5 weight classes where Cuba wont have a finalist, when many thought they coulda swept everything.. Cubas struggling

zorndeslammes · Post by **zorndeslammes** » 25 Jul 2007, 19:28

91kg Jose Payares (Venezuela) d Jorge Quinonez (Ecuador) 1-1

Wow. Just....wow.

holeymoley99 · Post by **holeymoley99** » 25 Jul 2007, 19:30

I think Big Nate is going to upset both Mike's and walk away with the Olympic berth. Kimdo Bethel is a dangerous floater as Jonte Willis can attest to though.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 25 Jul 2007, 19:31

emile wrote:July 25, 2007

57kg Abner Cotto (Puerto Rico) d Davi Sousa (Brazil) 16-12 (result pending :) )

You're out of order sir!

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 25 Jul 2007, 23:18

Considering all the other H's have been overturned, will be interesting to see if they do anything with Salinas. He did get clocked, however.

I'm really happy for Arroyo, but I'll bet if he had his druthers he would have wanted it to go the distance since they were tied at the stoppage. He's really matured in his boxing since I last saw him in 2001, or 2, can't remember.

At least the U.S. has 3 in the finals - I think that's more than a lot of people thought.

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 26 Jul 2007, 17:56

My projected winners

48- Luis Yanez, USA
51- McWilliams Arroyo, Puerto Rico
56- Claudio Marrero, Dom. Rep.
57- Abner Cotto, Puerto Rico
60- Yordenis Ugas, Cuba
64- Karl Dargan, USA
69- Demetrius Andrade, USA
75- Emilio Correa, Cuba
81- Yuciel Napoles, Cuba
91- Osmay Acosta, Cuba
91+- Robert Alfonso, Cuba

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 26 Jul 2007, 23:26

I expect the same winners except for Abner Cotto who I believe will lose to Idel Torriente who beat him 17-5 at the qualifiers.
I'm not too sold on Luis Yanez whom I saw in the qualifiers (where he lost to Winston Mendez) and also in his victory against limited cuban Yampier Hernandez. On the positive side he avenged both losses from the qualifiers so I guess I keep him as a slight favorite.

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 27 Jul 2007, 03:00

locoxelbox wrote:I expect the same winners except for Abner Cotto who I believe will lose to Idel Torriente who beat him 17-5 at the qualifiers.
I'm not too sold on Luis Yanez whom I saw in the qualifiers (where he lost to Winston Mendez) and also in his victory against limited cuban Yampier Hernandez. On the positive side he avenged both losses from the qualifiers so I guess I keep him as a slight favorite.

lol Abner was my upset.. gotta pick atleast 1

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 27 Jul 2007, 16:36

Luis Yanez wins the gold! 14 to 7!

emile · Post by **emile** » 27 Jul 2007, 17:10

Also,

54kg Carlos Cuadras (Mexico) d Claudio Marrero (Dom Rep) 15-11
60kg Yordenis Ugas (Cuba) d Everton Lopes (Brazil) 21-8
69kg Pedro Lima (Brazil) d Demetrius Andrade (USA) 7-6
81kg Eleider Alvarez (Colombia) d Yusiel Napoles (Cuba) KO3

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 27 Jul 2007, 17:36

Dayum! Wonder what happened with Andrade.......any eye witnesses please report.

I did look at the bout report and saw that he didn't get any points in the first round. With computer scoring, you need to get points up from the very beginning as it's really hard to catch up, although Andrade did a good job of getting close.

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 27 Jul 2007, 19:15

boxmel wrote:Dayum! Wonder what happened with Andrade.......any eye witnesses please report.

I did look at the bout report and saw that he didn't get any points in the first round. With computer scoring, you need to get points up from the very beginning as it's really hard to catch up, although Andrade did a good job of getting close.

I didnt see the fight.. but suggesting from what i saw with the other Brazilians when they fought... A lot of Andrade's punches probably werent counted... but like i said i didnt see it so maybe he just couldnt land

best case scenario.. Cuba walks away with 4 gold medals.. WOW

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 27 Jul 2007, 19:45

I was very surprised Lima beat Andrade, smells like a robbery to me. Yusiel Napoles was knocked out again! He was KO'ed at the 2005 Worlds and now again, time for another light heavy?
Cuba can get max five gold medals.

NYboxing · Post by **NYboxing** » 27 Jul 2007, 19:59

Andrade tired badly (lots of holding) trying to hold onto a one point lead in the fourth round and I must admit - couldn't blame the computer because punches were missed/not recorded both way. It was a hard fought, and deserving win for Lima.

davetko · Post by **davetko** » 27 Jul 2007, 21:09

Andrade won easy. The brazilian fell at one point and was awarded a point. He won a comfortable decision, everywhere except for on the biased judges cards.

emile · Post by **emile** » 28 Jul 2007, 18:59

51kg McWilliams Arroyo (Puerto Rico) d Juan Carlos Payano (Dom Rep) 12-11
57kg Idel Torriente (Cuba) d Abner Cotto (Puerto Rico) 7-5
64kg Karl Dargan (USA) d Jonathan Gonzalez (Puerto Rico) 9-4
75kg Emilio Correa (Cuba) d Argenis Nunez (Dom Rep) 22-5
91kg Osmay Acosta (Cuba) d Jose Payares (Venezuela) 11-3
91+kg Robert Alfonso (Cuba) d Oscar Rivas (Colombia) 8-4

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 28 Jul 2007, 19:07

Was again impressed with Arroyo, although it was too close - his opponent was definitely akward. Kudos to Dargan. I'm just sad he won't be at the Trials.

emile · Post by **emile** » 28 Jul 2007, 19:13

boxmel wrote:Was again impressed with Arroyo, although it was too close - his opponent was definitely akward. Kudos to Dargan. I'm just sad he won't be at the Trials.

It's a nice send-off for him. While it probably would have been more useful to have a fighter still in the running get the Pan Am Games experience, I'm glad he got to go out a winner. And it has to give confidence to the other fighters at the weight that they can do well too.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 28 Jul 2007, 19:23

Sigh. You gotta remember that Dargan has been #1 for quite a while and he certainly earned his spot on the Pan Am team. Unfortunately, he "let down" at the wrong time this year.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 29 Jul 2007, 23:45

Mel - Did Dargan have a let down or was he still having problems with his injured arm? Maybe he wasn't in the best of shape at the US Championships due to recovering from the injury and was in much better shape for the Pan Am games.