Mayweather - Hatton to be confirmed on Monday for Dec 8th

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 28 Jul 2007, 20:25

please let it happen, pleeeeaaassee.

stu, you surprise me. a big hatton man like yaself should be rubbing your hands at the thought of ricky getting in with a man even hatton regards as "the best". lets get it right, its gonna be at 147 so even if he loses to mayweather he's still king at 140. its easy for us to say that ricky's body attacks will destroy floyd but he'll need more than those. the weight issue is very interesting and i agree with glahn; aim for weighing in as per a lightwelter bout. they have enough time to work this out and i expect ricky to feel as strong as an ox and to have the edge over pbf in the early close entanglements. wow, this is a great match up. my mind is going over all the possible scenarios. one thing keeps occuring - i can see floyd on the seat of his pants due to over confidence, just my imagination running away with me.
i have said on here that ricky doesnt make great waves at 147 for at least another year, but he's gonna give this one everything.

Albert · Post by **Albert** » 28 Jul 2007, 20:47

Ricky Hatton is taking this fight a tadge too quickly. Settle into the Welterweight division, see how you handle it before taking on the pound for pound best fighter in the world.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 28 Jul 2007, 22:35

Nonsense, Mayweather is not a proper welterweight. He hasn't looked anything like a natural above 135, and hasn't really hurt an elite level fighters since moving from that weight.

Even at 135, Castillo gave him a lot of trouble, and Ricky is by far stronger than Castillo was. Hatton weighs in at 154 on fight night in any case, so for me, he just won't have to dry out as much to make weight, he can have an extra 7 lbs to play with and come in stronger and fresher than normal.

Mayweather will have a much harder time winning rounds against Hatton, who tends to throw bundles of shots.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 28 Jul 2007, 22:51

harrygreb wrote:please let it happen, pleeeeaaassee.

stu, you surprise me. a big hatton man like yaself should be rubbing your hands at the thought of ricky getting in with a man even hatton regards as "the best". lets get it right, its gonna be at 147 so even if he loses to mayweather he's still king at 140. its easy for us to say that ricky's body attacks will destroy floyd but he'll need more than those. the weight issue is very interesting and i agree with glahn; aim for weighing in as per a lightwelter bout. they have enough time to work this out and i expect ricky to feel as strong as an ox and to have the edge over pbf in the early close entanglements. wow, this is a great match up. my mind is going over all the possible scenarios. one thing keeps occuring - i can see floyd on the seat of his pants due to over confidence, just my imagination running away with me.
i have said on here that ricky doesnt make great waves at 147 for at least another year, but he's gonna give this one everything.

Don't get me wrong, of course I am happy that this fight is taking place... Of course, I will be buying the PPV (it will surely be on PPV). However, I just don't like Ricky's chances. IMO its a case of styles make fights, and Ricky isn't strong enough to barge through Mayweather's shots.

Mayweather could well struggle against bigger men like Cotto, Williams, Mosley and DLH. 3 of these IMO have faster hands than Ricky, all 4 are bigger and stronger than Ricky. I'd personally favour Mayweather over the four of them, but give them a better chance than I do Ricky. I just think Mayweather's power is going to hurt Ricky more than people think and his accuracy is going to be the telling factor. People assume that the minute Ricky lands he is going to KO Mayweather or severely hurt him. IMO he's been in with bigger pure punchers than Ricky and even when momentarily hurt, he recovers very quickly.

I think alot is being made of Floyd's fight with Castillo... Firstly, I fail to see the controvesy, secondly Floyd fought fight one for the most part with one hand, thirdly its a long time ago and Floyd is a far better fighter now.

Out of those four men I mentioned previously, in a years time I would tip a matured 147 lber Hatton over Cotto and Williams, not sure how much Mosley has left... think DLH would be a bridge too far. However, I hope thats shows just how highly I rate Ricky.

Its the biggest fight in Boxing now, a TRUE Superfight and I'm delighted its taking place. I just think Mayweather is thinking... phew, I'm glad its not the massive and quick Paul Williams I'm facing. I'm only fighting a come forward fighter who isn't that big.

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 28 Jul 2007, 23:59

Fighting at 147, in his opponents back yard, in the biggest ring with the biggest gloves on are advantages Hatton does not need to give away.

Shades of Sugar Ray v Hagler in my opinion

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 29 Jul 2007, 00:00

If this comes off Hatton deserves huge credit for putting everything on the line. No other 140-147 opponent out there would leave Ricky with such a small chance of winning.

People have to remember just how fit Floyd Mayweather is. When do you ever see him instigate a clinch? He's fitter than Hatton, far more accurate and I think it's his punches that will be doing the damage.

Hatton would have been destroyed by De La Hoya. The idea that Mayweather won't stand the heat is lost on me. The style that has accounted for so many lesser opponents will not impress Floyd.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 29 Jul 2007, 04:38

Coco wrote:Fighting at 147, in his opponents back yard, in the biggest ring with the biggest gloves on are advantages Hatton does not need to give away.

Shades of Sugar Ray v Hagler in my opinion

Yeah, if he gives up too much then he'll give up his chance of winning. Mayweather will start heavy favourite if that's the case, but if Hatton were to manage to win it anyway it would most likely rank as the greatest win ever by a British fighter.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 29 Jul 2007, 07:15

Kilburn wrote:If this comes off Hatton deserves huge credit for putting everything on the line. No other 140-147 opponent out there would leave Ricky with such a small chance of winning.

People have to remember just how fit Floyd Mayweather is. When do you ever see him instigate a clinch? He's fitter than Hatton, far more accurate and I think it's his punches that will be doing the damage.

Hatton would have been destroyed by De La Hoya. The idea that Mayweather won't stand the heat is lost on me. The style that has accounted for so many lesser opponents will not impress Floyd.

Unfortunately I can't help but agree. As much as I'm a huge Hatton fan I can't construct a viable case for him being able to overcome Mayweather. Floyd's footwork, unbelievable defence and accuracy will soon make Ricky realise he's in too deep. I think a lot of people are letting their hearts rule their heads on this one. Floyd's not going to be there for Ricky to land his body shots and will be laser-like in catching him coming in. Late stoppage for Mayweather on cuts is, with regret, my prediction.

grim reaper · Post by **grim reaper** » 29 Jul 2007, 07:31

The size of the ring will be interesting and who gets the final call if non title and on a Golden boy show.
Floyd will want room to move off and set himself whilst ricky would want it smaller for obvious reasons. i see this as Duran v Leonard 1 fight.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 29 Jul 2007, 07:41

deserter, your previous posts have been a delight of shrewd judgement and well thought out analysis. but mayweather is not going to get off scot free from being ruffed up and hatton needs to get close to do this.
most of the advantages are floyds but i think ricky is capable of cutting off the ring sufficiently to give him a chance of landing damaging body shots and uppercuts. from my limited knowledge this is what team hatton will aim to do but with an extra twist - quite what i dont know - but that is why billy graham is where he is and i sit at home writing about it.

mayweather is beatable by a good pressure fighter with stamina and a high work ethic. hatton fits the bill and then some. i only wish it was taking place in a years time but it isnt so lets give it a go

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 29 Jul 2007, 08:17

I'm glad they will be fighting, but a shame it will be at 147.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 29 Jul 2007, 08:32

Kilburn wrote: People have to remember just how fit Floyd Mayweather is. When do you ever see him instigate a clinch? He's fitter than Hatton, far more accurate and I think it's his punches that will be doing the damage.
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Mayweather fitness levels are overated. He only throws 400-500 punches a fight compared to Ricky Hatton who throws 750 a fight. This is a simplification but Hatton will look to close the gap and take Floyd out of his comfort zone

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 29 Jul 2007, 08:39

harrygreb wrote: most of the advantages are floyds but i think ricky is capable of cutting off the ring sufficiently to give him a chance of landing damaging body shots and uppercuts. from my limited knowledge this is what team hatton will aim to do but with an extra twist - quite what i dont know - but that is why billy graham is where he is and i sit at home writing about it.

Floyd is used to having pressure fighters attempt to rough him up. Hes a master of defense on the inside and has very useful inside game himself with his uppercut. Plus he can twist away from close quarters quickly and land fast combinations

Hattons only chance is on the inside though, if this fight stays on the outside Mayweather stops Hatton if he steps up the pace - he may just go into cruise control if that happens though.

I think your overating Billy Graham as a master tactician. There plan will simply be to jab their way in, cut off the ring, force/wrestle Mayweather to the ropes, work his body over while leaning on his chest so he can't throw much back.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 29 Jul 2007, 09:05

mayweather has to box and move.

like he did in the 2nd castillo fight.

didn't hang around and picked his shots nicely.

to beat hatton u have to offset him like collazo did at times in there fight.

unfortunately for collazo he stood around and fought it out with hatton too much.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 29 Jul 2007, 09:22

hitman_hatton1 wrote:mayweather has to box and move.

like he did in the 2nd castillo fight.

didn't hang around and picked his shots nicely.

to beat hatton u have to offset him like collazo did at times in there fight.

unfortunately for collazo he stood around and fought it out with hatton too much.

Hatton is getting schooled, you know it.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 29 Jul 2007, 09:24

i consider graham smart enough to be hattons chief tactician and your good self, phenomenal, to be stating the obvious on a website.
no disrespect, PN, but your tactical scenario is one we all share and hatton will need a little more nous to defeat mayweather...enter BG.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 29 Jul 2007, 11:32

Terry D wrote:Kostya had one-punch KO power and Floyd would not have fought Kostya in a million years..

YES HE WOULD, Mayweather and Tyszus management were in talks, Floyd had started to start dissing Tyszu calling him a 1 handed fighter before Tyszus management sold him to the highest bidder in Warren and Hatton. Tyszu-Mayweather would have come off if Tyszu was a HBO fighter instead of a Showtime fighter. Hatton was Showtime and hence he got the first crack at Tyszu. Kostya's management wanted to cash in on him quick because they were in financial difficulties

Mayweather did try to make a fight with Hatton a load of times without success and tried to make a fight with Cotto but Arrum wouldn't allow that 1. Mayweather went after the next biggest payday in Judah, that couldn't be agreed straight away so he took Mitchell as a warm up, Judah wanted to keep his WBC so he defended against Baldomir who messed everything up. When it was due to come off Judah lost. Then Mayweather tried to make a fight with Hatton as a replacement without success. He then offered Margarito the fight instead but was turned down as Margarito preferred to fight Gomez. So Mayweather fought Judah anyway and went on to win the linear title by beating Baldomir. Before he signed to fight Baldomir he offered the fight to Mosley and was in talks with Spinks.

I think its safe to say Mayweather hasn't been ducking anyone that will give him a payday. The only fighters hes avoided are high risk low reward types like Harris/Witter/Margarito. And he offered Margarito a shot at him when Judah lost so that ducking accusation is at least semi-bogus.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 29 Jul 2007, 11:40

Terry D wrote: Kostya is a fooking dangerous fighter. Oscar isn't. I like Oscar but his recent record in massive fights, in fact his overall record, is pretty pedestrian.

Pretty unfair given Oscars competition. Hmmm how would Kostya do against:

BHOPs
Sturm
Mayorga
Super SLick Whitaker
Ike Quartey (put away Vince Phillips in 3 rounds)
Mosley
Vargas
Trinidad

Would Tyszu actually beat any of them? I'd pick a good few of them to KO him.

How would Oscar do against:

Mitchell, Judah, Vince Phillips? He'd beat them easily

So why is Kostya so much more dangerous?

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 29 Jul 2007, 12:51

I think we can all agree that DLH-Kostya would have been a great fight, maybe the defining fight of both careers..... people decrying either fighters competition could have pointed to it....

I would also have liked to have seen Kostya-Trinidad, and DLH vs Ben Tackie....

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 29 Jul 2007, 13:21

Prime Tszyu was indeed a top class fighter. His power and timing were exceptional, and would give him a decent chance against any of the top fighter around his weight class in the last decade.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 29 Jul 2007, 14:03

I just can't see how Hatton can hit Mayweather more than Mayweather hits him. Forget this idea that Floyd will crumble under the pressure. IMO that is an insult to a master boxer at the top of the boxing tree.

Mayweather will have to be in top shape for sure. But that's hardly going to be a problem suddenly.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 29 Jul 2007, 14:23

Terry D wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Terry D wrote: Kostya is a fooking dangerous fighter. Oscar isn't. I like Oscar but his recent record in massive fights, in fact his overall record, is pretty pedestrian.
Pretty unfair given Oscars competition. Hmmm how would Kostya do against:

BHOPs
Sturm
Mayorga
Super SLick Whitaker
Ike Quartey (put away Vince Phillips in 3 rounds)
Mosley
Vargas
Trinidad

Would Tyszu actually beat any of them? I'd pick a good few of them to KO him.

How would Oscar do against:

Mitchell, Judah, Vince Phillips? He'd beat them easily

So why is Kostya so much more dangerous?
1. For starters Kostya hits far harder. He can hunt a stylish fighter down and find the punches necessary to tuck him away. You do not need to immediately dig-out a fighters ring record to prove they are dangerous. You can watch them and see who hits harder and cuts the ring down effectively to land those shots.

2. Kostya hits harder with single shots, he is more accurate and stayed in a division in which he knew he was a heavy-hitter, that may seem a crime to people who think division hopping is the only route to greatness but it is not.

3. You are asking me how Kostya, a LW, would do against Hopkins a guy who fought at the optimum level at MW and LH? Kostya would not be in the ring with him but P4P if he had the bulk, same style and power he would give Hopkins problems. ODH was there for a payday and to annex Hopkins to his company.

4. Kostya would do well against Whittaker, Vargas and Quartey.

5. ODH himself failed to do well against Shane, Sturm and Hopkins (he boxed on even terms against a very pedestrian Hopkins on the night) as well as fading against Tito.

6. Oscar is not a dangerous fighter, he is a very good one who has consistently failed to KO elite fighters and has faded against them. That is why his big fights are very easy to predict.

7. Kostya is dangerous, Floyd tricky. That is a non-issue for me.

1. Disagree, I'd say their power levels are similar. Delahoya stopped plenty of opponents faster than Tyszu. Delahoya was a puncher at 140 and below. Tyszu probably wouldn't have been a big puncher 147 and above. Delahoya KD'ed Mayorga with 1 left hook, I'm pretty sure the same shot would KO Judah. Yes power isn't Oscars game but he still packs near as much as Kostya if not more but it depends on the punch. Oscar has by far the harder left hook, Tyszu the more devastating right hand

2. Kostyas comp is leagues below Oscars. If Oscar has stayed at 140 he would have easily dominated Tyszus comp.

3. The point of weight is irrelevant - you knock Oscar as an opponent for Floyd citing Tyszu as a more dangerous opponent that a natural lightweight in Floyd ducked and then mention Delahoyas defeats. The fact all those fighters would beat Tyszu is lost on you.

4. I think he'd lose to all of them

5. Yes but you are knocking Oscars losses and championing Kostya above him who would lose to the same fighters and had worse losses

6. Oscar has fought the elite, Kostya has not. Oscar KO'd/TKO'd Vargas, Mayorga, Leija, Ruelas, Hernandez, Chavez - some of those faster than Tyszu. Those fighters Oscar KO'd are as good/better than anyone Kostya beat.

7. Agree BUT Floyd can be a little dangerous and Kostya can be a little tricky. Don't underestimate Floyds power, he did KO Mitchell with 1 shot after all. If Floyd turns up his attacks he can do damage

Tyszu is a great fighter but he hasn't fought at the same level as Delahoya and hasn't fought the better fighters around his weight class.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 29 Jul 2007, 14:34

Terry D wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Terry D wrote:Kostya had one-punch KO power and Floyd would not have fought Kostya in a million years..
YES HE WOULD, Mayweather and Tyszus management were in talks, Floyd had started to start dissing Tyszu calling him a 1 handed fighter before Tyszus management sold him to the highest bidder in Warren and Hatton. Tyszu-Mayweather would have come off if Tyszu was a HBO fighter instead of a Showtime fighter. Hatton was Showtime and hence he got the first crack at Tyszu. Kostya's management wanted to cash in on him quick because they were in financial difficulties

Mayweather did try to make a fight with Hatton a load of times without success and tried to make a fight with Cotto but Arrum wouldn't allow that 1. Mayweather went after the next biggest payday in Judah, that couldn't be agreed straight away so he took Mitchell as a warm up, Judah wanted to keep his WBC so he defended against Baldomir who messed everything up. When it was due to come off Judah lost. Then Mayweather tried to make a fight with Hatton as a replacement without success. He then offered Margarito the fight instead but was turned down as Margarito preferred to fight Gomez. So Mayweather fought Judah anyway and went on to win the linear title by beating Baldomir. Before he signed to fight Baldomir he offered the fight to Mosley and was in talks with Spinks.

I think its safe to say Mayweather hasn't been ducking anyone that will give him a payday. The only fighters hes avoided are high risk low reward types like Harris/Witter/Margarito. And he offered Margarito a shot at him when Judah lost so that ducking accusation is at least semi-bogus.
1. Yes but Floyd was HBO and showed no signs of deflection and calling someone a one-handed fighter, or trash-talking in general, is not the same as being able, or willing, to beat them.

2. Floyd at LW was underwhelming. People thought Gatti was more than he was and gave him a chance but it was a banker one-sided KO or TKO defeat waiting to be fulfilled.

3. Floyd is very good in the ring but he moves weights frequently to the extent that he misses out on being truly dominant. WW is red-hot and Floyd jumped out of that to take on one-off fights that fool people into thinking he is a dominant fighter at any weight when he does not even try to be.

4. Not since SF and LW at any rate. I'm not talking him down but he has moved divisions far too often and in Oscar fought a eminently beatable (as shown by his record over the years) fighter who never truly grew into any one-style and is a static target.

1. Why would Floyd deflect from a lucrative HBO to make less money on Showtime? It was simply a fight that was difficult to make politically at the time. BUT MAYWEATHER-TYSZU WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF TYSZU HAD WON - THATS A NEAR CERTAINTY

2. Mayweather tried to make fights with Hatton/Cotto - neither wanted to fight him at 140 - who would you have him fight? Hes fighting Hatton now that Rickys finally ready so he obviously wanted the fight

3. I think Mayweather would have been best sitting at 140 and ruling the division for years but its a testiment to his ability that he could beat the best at Welterweight and Light-Middleweight. Fighting a great like Delahoya is a super fight and Judah/Baldomir were linear Welterweight champions.

4. You can only fight the fighters willing to fight you. Mosley, Hatton, Cotto have all turned Mayweather down. Now the Hatton fights happening, which is another legacy fight.

Mayweather by jumping divisions has taken bigger chalenges than he would have if he sat at 130-140

Who is Oscar beatable by? I think Mayweather is 1 of 2 fighters that could beat Oscar 154 or below. The other being Mosley but Cotto, Margarito, Hatton would all lose to Delahoya and probably get stopped.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 29 Jul 2007, 14:43

Terry D wrote:Kostya hits harder than Floyd. His dismantlings of Rodriguez and Judah were all about correct use of punch power and technique.

Yes but like all punchers Tyszu was reliant on his opponents making defensive errors to land his most devastating punches. Against Mayweather he would get precious few openings. And opportunities to land his money shots may nto happen in the whole fight. Plenty of lessers fighters stood upto Tyszus firepower afterall

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 29 Jul 2007, 14:46

Terry D wrote:
Kilburn wrote:I just can't see how Hatton can hit Mayweather more than Mayweather hits him. Forget this idea that Floyd will crumble under the pressure. IMO that is an insult to a master boxer at the top of the boxing tree.

Mayweather will have to be in top shape for sure. But that's hardly going to be a problem suddenly.
For me Mayweather is the fittest fighter in the world. I bet, when called on, his stamina is amazing.

Hatton is going to have to force a smart fight and be able to implement the right counters to Mayweathers shots and bring plans A, B and C into the fight.

Both men have the perfect punches for hurting/dropping the other so it could be interesting. On the other hand it could likely be a fight where Floyd lands 1-2 then negates Hatton and moves away only for Hatton to land 1-2 then smother both their work.

Depending on the perspective of the judges this could be a SD either way.

Americans are saying Hatton won't win a round, that is a bit extreme. If you say Hatton can win four rounds you are then saying he can also contest two further rounds and there is a draw right there.

Hatton certainly ought to win some rounds, but he'll never finish the stronger IMO.

I look at the Urango fight, and I see Hatton looking nothing short of dazzling for 4 rounds, then he starts blowing and we get a clinch fest that Urango couldn't do anything about. I don't doubt Hatton was hindered for that fight, but would he really have been able to keep that early form going for 12 rounds had he been 100%? I honestly don't think so. He would have still run out of "boxing gas" at some point.

Mayweather on the otherhand could have stood in range with Urango and mugged him for the whole 36 minutes, without grabbing hold of the guy to rest. That can't really be denied.

I just don't think Hatton will be able to orchestrate his little clinch-rests with Mayweather. Someone with Floyd's experience, skills, engine and ego is not going to let himself get wrestled to defeat by a career light-welter. The first half of the fight could be heavy going but I can only see Mayweather coming on strong down the stretch.

It's a fooking good match up though, got to give Hatton tons of credit if he really wants this. Thousands will be expecting him to win.