I have been reading comments about Haye and Macrinelli over here. Now, the general consensus is that Haye is not ready for the Enzo but I think most feel he'd beat him in a year or so time.
May I ask the question why not now? Enzo himself tonight stated that he too is still in his novice stage and he's a few fights away from the world stage. Enzo himself is only 22/23 and is at the embryonic stage of his career.
So why wouldn't you put Haye in with this fellow Novice now, the Enzo has only faced 2 opponents greater than the standard of Haye's opponents (Swaby - which he lost, and Bruce Scott). Enzo has probably learned from his Scott fight... But then shouldn't have Haye done that against Mock.
This isn't trying to down either fighter who have both made a tremendous impact this year. What I'm trying to say that if people think Enzo will have too much for Haye now .... then why not next year. Both are of a similar age and both are very much in a learning stage of their career. Haye has just competed in his first 10 rounder, two fights ago Enzo wasn't even doing that. Your saying Haye will learn alot over the next year, but then why shouldn't Enzo?
Hope you understand the question.
Haye vs Enzo
There's no reason at all why they shouldn't fight, I hate all this bullshit whereby if a guy has a single loss before he's had thirty fights then he's a bum 
It's just fornicating stupid. Some you win some you lose, but then again I guess it goes hand in hand with the fact that no'one fights as often as they should (ah for the good old days)
btw, I think Haye could knock him out early, they've both got a good dig, Haye has the classier skills, they've both been dropped but I think Enzo is a slower starter. Goods matchup though.
It's just fornicating stupid. Some you win some you lose, but then again I guess it goes hand in hand with the fact that no'one fights as often as they should (ah for the good old days)btw, I think Haye could knock him out early, they've both got a good dig, Haye has the classier skills, they've both been dropped but I think Enzo is a slower starter. Goods matchup though.
Re: Haye vs Enzo
[quote="stujones"]I have been reading comments about Haye and Macrinelli over here. Now, the general consensus is that Haye is not ready for the Enzo but I think most feel he'd beat him in a year or so time.
May I ask the question why not now? Enzo himself tonight stated that he too is still in his novice stage and he's a few fights away from the world stage. Enzo himself is only 22/23 and is at the embryonic stage of his career.
So why wouldn't you put Haye in with this fellow Novice now, the Enzo has only faced 2 opponents greater than the standard of Haye's opponents (Swaby - which he lost, and Bruce Scott). Enzo has probably learned from his Scott fight... But then shouldn't have Haye done that against Mock.
This isn't trying to down either fighter who have both made a tremendous impact this year. What I'm trying to say that if people think Enzo will have too much for Haye now .... then why not next year. Both are of a similar age and both are very much in a learning stage of their career. Haye has just competed in his first 10 rounder, two fights ago Enzo wasn't even doing that. Your saying Haye will learn alot over the next year, but then why shouldn't Enzo?
Hope you understand the question.[/quote]
Stu.... I think it´s back to the old problem.
TV POLITICS
Unless I am wrong (stop laughing!) Haye is with the BBC and Enzo is with SN so thats him tied to SKY.
Also if you were a promoter, why match them now?
They are both doing well and moving up the ladder. Enzo sells a shedload of tickets and his popularity is growing by the fight.
I´m not sure Haye has the same level of support, but with BBC exposure and continued success then a really BIG fight could be made in a few years time.
Why pitch them in now? Be patient and a mega fight could be only 2 years away.
Finally both men will have big fights next time out.
Enzo could face Johnny Nelson while Haye could face Thompson or Hobson.
May I ask the question why not now? Enzo himself tonight stated that he too is still in his novice stage and he's a few fights away from the world stage. Enzo himself is only 22/23 and is at the embryonic stage of his career.
So why wouldn't you put Haye in with this fellow Novice now, the Enzo has only faced 2 opponents greater than the standard of Haye's opponents (Swaby - which he lost, and Bruce Scott). Enzo has probably learned from his Scott fight... But then shouldn't have Haye done that against Mock.
This isn't trying to down either fighter who have both made a tremendous impact this year. What I'm trying to say that if people think Enzo will have too much for Haye now .... then why not next year. Both are of a similar age and both are very much in a learning stage of their career. Haye has just competed in his first 10 rounder, two fights ago Enzo wasn't even doing that. Your saying Haye will learn alot over the next year, but then why shouldn't Enzo?
Hope you understand the question.[/quote]
Stu.... I think it´s back to the old problem.
TV POLITICS
Unless I am wrong (stop laughing!) Haye is with the BBC and Enzo is with SN so thats him tied to SKY.
Also if you were a promoter, why match them now?
They are both doing well and moving up the ladder. Enzo sells a shedload of tickets and his popularity is growing by the fight.
I´m not sure Haye has the same level of support, but with BBC exposure and continued success then a really BIG fight could be made in a few years time.
Why pitch them in now? Be patient and a mega fight could be only 2 years away.
Finally both men will have big fights next time out.
Enzo could face Johnny Nelson while Haye could face Thompson or Hobson.
I see it as a battle of the chins to be honest, Enzo has shown he can be hit and hurt while Haye recently tasted the canvas after being stuck down by Lolenga Mock. I see Haye working Enzo over with his skills and stopping him within 6, it could be a war though with neither man prepared to lose to one another. There is a lot of pride at stake heear.
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Interesting fight
But won't happen yet. Sadly, these days it's risky for a fighter to have too many losses in his early career, although we do see it happen that someone like Gatti can build a big career off the back of a loss to Ward, for British fighters, that seldom happens.
They will want to get Haye into title contention without a loss, and if he is going to lose, better that it comes against a top ranked American that a domestic rival.
The talent pool in the UK is smaller, and I understand why British promoters keep the best prospects away from eachother, if they don't it's very hard to get the losers up into contention and on American TV, which is where the real gravy is.
I would like to see Haye v Macaranelli, but in a couple of years if both of them are successful. Both men have pretty devastating power, and in fact Macaranelli is the one who has proven it against better fighters.
Macaranelli's stoppage win over Bruce Scott is far better than anything Haye has done yet, I'm not saying he can't yet, but he's still got big flaws to my mind.
Haye at this stage of his career looks too vulnerable to be matched too hard yet. Haye wants to take on the Carl Thompsons of this world, which is great ambition at this stage, but Haye whilst impressively is hardly defensively astute.
They will want to get Haye into title contention without a loss, and if he is going to lose, better that it comes against a top ranked American that a domestic rival.
The talent pool in the UK is smaller, and I understand why British promoters keep the best prospects away from eachother, if they don't it's very hard to get the losers up into contention and on American TV, which is where the real gravy is.
I would like to see Haye v Macaranelli, but in a couple of years if both of them are successful. Both men have pretty devastating power, and in fact Macaranelli is the one who has proven it against better fighters.
Macaranelli's stoppage win over Bruce Scott is far better than anything Haye has done yet, I'm not saying he can't yet, but he's still got big flaws to my mind.
Haye at this stage of his career looks too vulnerable to be matched too hard yet. Haye wants to take on the Carl Thompsons of this world, which is great ambition at this stage, but Haye whilst impressively is hardly defensively astute.
What did you all make of Haye's comments at the end of the fight that in "3 fights time i'll be unbeatable" & "You guys (any domestic opposition I assume) are running out of time"
Confident or arrogant?
I'd say the former, and he looks to have all the tools to back up such a statement. I'm inclined to agree with Haye in that a few fights down the line, with a few more rounds under his belt, the domestic scene won't have anyone to trouble him.....
Confident or arrogant?
I'd say the former, and he looks to have all the tools to back up such a statement. I'm inclined to agree with Haye in that a few fights down the line, with a few more rounds under his belt, the domestic scene won't have anyone to trouble him.....