Future Of Calzaghe..?

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 14 Aug 2007, 05:48

With RJJ v Trinidad rumoured for Jan 2008, and, provided Calzaghe beats Kessler, who would the public like to see him fight next?

Hopkins has hinted at Yankee stadium in the spring, but what about the winner of RJJ and Trinidad? Maybe both?

Deram · Post by **Deram** » 14 Aug 2007, 06:07

I suggest the winner of RJJ-Trinidad should fight the loser of Kessler-Calzaghe.

The winner of Kessler-Calzaghe should fight the winner of Taylor-Pavlik.

That would give us Pavlik-Kessler which Kessler would win.

And it would give us RJJ-Calzaghe which Calzaghe would win.

So then we are back to square one. I think these two are best best of the bunch.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 14 Aug 2007, 06:16

If JC beats Kessler, I want him to fight Hopkins or Taylor, so we can shut dem yanks up again. being a Froch fan I'd like to see JC and Carl get it on after the Kessler fight, but I don't see JC going down that route.

After recent showings RJJ and Trinidad have it all to prove to regain their superfight status IMO, so I'd like to see theat fight before commenting on whether JC should fight them.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 14 Aug 2007, 06:21

Big Cash paydays at Light-Heavyweight exist with Hop, Tarver and Jones - if Jone sbeats Tito, despite the ridiculousness of the fght - will once again be a draw.

Kessler
Johnson
Hopkins/Jones

Quite a finale if Calzaghe pulls it off.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 14 Aug 2007, 06:23

hopkins is the fight if he beats kessler.

taylor-pavlik winner is the only other fight worth considering.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 Aug 2007, 06:44

Kessler will get Calzaghe & then either fight Hopkins or the Taylor-Pavlik winner. I want to see him stay at 168. What a lineup of fighters there is at 168 pounds.

Joe's got home advantage but it's Kessler's time now.

He's been liivng off the Lacy win which was the performance of a special fighter but allowed him to fight Bika & Manfredo which were both awful fights.

Joe threw around 1000 shots at Lacy so his solution to beat Kessler, who's better than Lacy, is to throw 2000 shots. That doesn't sound right at all. I hope he doesn't plan to throw himself at Kessler throwing anything, as he'll smother his own shots like he did with Bika.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 14 Aug 2007, 07:39

Autobarn wrote:Kessler will get Calzaghe & then either fight Hopkins or the Taylor-Pavlik winner. I want to see him stay at 168. What a lineup of fighters there is at 168 pounds.

Joe's got home advantage but it's Kessler's time now.

He's been liivng off the Lacy win which was the performance of a special fighter but allowed him to fight Bika & Manfredo which were both awful fights.

Joe threw around 1000 shots at Lacy so his solution to beat Kessler, who's better than Lacy, is to throw 2000 shots. That doesn't sound right at all. I hope he doesn't plan to throw himself at Kessler throwing anything, as he'll smother his own shots like he did with Bika.

If Joe does pull it off against Kessler its all about names until he retires - Taylor, Hopkins or Kelly Pavlik if Taylor is beaton - No more Manfredos or Bikas it has to be the top men or go up to light heavy and take on Woods.

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 14 Aug 2007, 07:43

I hope when Joe beats Kessler that he does step up and win a title at Light Heavy. he's said he wants to be a 2 weight champion and I hope he goes on to acheive it and undefeated.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 14 Aug 2007, 07:51

WildWaylon wrote:
Autobarn wrote:Kessler will get Calzaghe & then either fight Hopkins or the Taylor-Pavlik winner. I want to see him stay at 168. What a lineup of fighters there is at 168 pounds.

Joe's got home advantage but it's Kessler's time now.

He's been liivng off the Lacy win which was the performance of a special fighter but allowed him to fight Bika & Manfredo which were both awful fights.

Joe threw around 1000 shots at Lacy so his solution to beat Kessler, who's better than Lacy, is to throw 2000 shots. That doesn't sound right at all. I hope he doesn't plan to throw himself at Kessler throwing anything, as he'll smother his own shots like he did with Bika.
If Joe does pull it off against Kessler its all about names until he retires - Taylor, Hopkins or Kelly Pavlik if Taylor is beaton - No more Manfredos or Bikas it has to be the top men or go up to light heavy and take on Woods.

That was supposedly the case post-Lacy wasn't it? Calzaghe said so himself. Then he reverted to type..... so don't hold your breath!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 Aug 2007, 08:07

WildWaylon wrote:
Autobarn wrote:Kessler will get Calzaghe & then either fight Hopkins or the Taylor-Pavlik winner. I want to see him stay at 168. What a lineup of fighters there is at 168 pounds.

Joe's got home advantage but it's Kessler's time now.

He's been liivng off the Lacy win which was the performance of a special fighter but allowed him to fight Bika & Manfredo which were both awful fights.

Joe threw around 1000 shots at Lacy so his solution to beat Kessler, who's better than Lacy, is to throw 2000 shots. That doesn't sound right at all. I hope he doesn't plan to throw himself at Kessler throwing anything, as he'll smother his own shots like he did with Bika.
If Joe does pull it off against Kessler its all about names until he retires - Taylor, Hopkins or Kelly Pavlik if Taylor is beaton - No more Manfredos or Bikas it has to be the top men or go up to light heavy and take on Woods.

I want Joe to lose to Kessler and move up to 175 for Erdei - terrific boxer lacking big fights - and Woods - great domestic world title match.

Shouldn't be hard to make - Joe & Erdei being long time WBO boys, and Joe and Woods being on the same channel, Setanta.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 14 Aug 2007, 11:54

Joe v Kessler part 2 spring next year...you heard it here first

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 Aug 2007, 14:39

yiddo14 wrote:Joe v Kessler part 2 spring next year...you heard it here first

Joe doesn't want his last fight to be a brutal KO loss. If he has two fights it'll be like the Veeraphol-Hasegawa fights. Older guy gives a terrific, epic struggle to the young gun, albeit losing. Then getting his hed nearly knocked off in a rematch.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 14 Aug 2007, 15:26

yiddo14 wrote:Joe v Kessler part 2 spring next year...you heard here first

Can I have a look in your crystal ball

If Joe does lose to Kessler my crystal ball says he will retire - A rematch to get beaten again would be daft, no Joe has to win to go on - you heard it here first

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 14 Aug 2007, 15:53

When/if Joe beats Kessler, I hope he goes for Hopkins at the Yankee Stadium. Would probably fly over to see that one. I think Pavlik will beat Taylor too but would prefer to see Kelly unify with Abraham or Sturm before moving up in weight, plus of course theres a good chance of there being an immediate rematch in place against Taylor should Pavlik beat him.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 14 Aug 2007, 16:30

Expose Kessler then Dawson maybe?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 14 Aug 2007, 16:57

Stay away from Dawson, Joe.

I personally think Kessler takes this one. Joe's getting on a bit and even if he wasn't, his hands are.

Have they signed contracts yet?

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 14 Aug 2007, 17:20

Cheers or tears in the Welsh valleys its hard to be sure - As Joe says " I have to win because I am frighted of losing" -That philosophy seems to have worked well up to now so lets hope its CHEERS.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 14 Aug 2007, 17:24

Twisted Transistor wrote:Expose Kessler then Dawson maybe?

You are so biased and blinkered its ridiculous. Even if Calzaghe beats Kessler how exactly is that exposing a guy who has unified titles and beaten the best the division has to offer outside Calzaghe????

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 15 Aug 2007, 11:32

calzaghe should retire after he loses to kessler. he would retire having had some good wins and took on a couple of top names without being reduced to opponent status.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 15 Aug 2007, 12:44

Courtesy of Max Molyneux

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 15 Aug 2007, 12:57

Riddick Blowe wrote:calzaghe should retire after he loses to kessler. he would retire having had some good wins and took on a couple of top names without being reduced to opponent status.

Exactly, there would no shame losing to Kessler but retiring would be his best option - To me it would be the new SM king taking over from the old one and at 35 Joe would be best off bowing out with pride - Having said that if he lost on a close split decision I would expect Joe to want a rematch - Anyway lets be optimistic, Joe is going to win.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Aug 2007, 13:16

Joe's been a very good fighter at times but without his WBO title and, say, coming off a big fight loss, he'd be just another 35-year-old.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 15 Aug 2007, 15:19

nickd wrote:
Twisted Transistor wrote:Expose Kessler then Dawson maybe?
You are so biased and blinkered its ridiculous. Even if Calzaghe beats Kessler how exactly is that exposing a guy who has unified titles and beaten the best the division has to offer outside Calzaghe????

I mean expose him as a threat to Calzaghe, this Is what I have been saying for ages.

I am not blinkered because I don't share most opinions on this forum.

Aren't we all biased for someone.

I got simular comments when I said Calzaghe was giving Lacy a beating and you all bought the American hype.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 15 Aug 2007, 15:35

http://www.knock-out.dk/news.show.asp?newsid=2850

Some Dane on ESB says Palle stated on todays press confrence in Copenhagen that they had turned down an offer from HBO that would contain 4 fights .
3 in smw and 1 in lhw. no names were mentioned.
but Palle said that when Kessler beats jc the money in that offer will increase big time! hes right on that but what if Kessler looses.

Come onnnnnn Joooooe!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 15 Aug 2007, 15:41

Interesting. Maybe they feel that if/when they win, they'll be able to plan their own path.

Kessler could be very big in boxing if he wins. Joe is a naturally quiet person and reluctant to go out there. Kessler is more personable and more willing to get up and make things happen.

I think it's time for the division to move on and hope Joe loses a very good close fight. Then we can see Kessler in with the next generation. If Calzaghe wins he'll have made himself a great, but super middle won't go anywhere interesting.