Packey McFarland, Tommy Ryan and Jimmy Barry

[elmersalsa]

I checked the records of these outstanding boxers and I had to include them in my personal 100 top greatest fighters pound per pound of all time. They were great fighters.

Any thoughts of Packey McFarland, Tommy Ryan and Jimmy Barry?

I also included in my list: Jack McAuliffe, Benny Lynch and Jack Delaney...Great fighters indeeed!!!

[Seamus]

Packey McFarland and Tommy Ryan are easily top 25 alltime, and Jimmy Barry's not far behind.

[elmersalsa]

Packey McFarland and Tommy Ryan are easily top 25 alltime, and Jimmy Barry's not far behind.

I just don't know how can they fit in in the top 25 when there are a great amount of extraordinary and excellent fighters.

[granberry]

Packey McFarland and Tommy Ryan are easily top 25 alltime, and Jimmy Barry's not far behind.

I just don't know how can they fit in in the top 25 when there are a great amount of extraordinary and excellent fighters.

Tell us who was better than Jimmy Barry.

LOL

By the way, tell us what weight class he fought in.

LOL

Tell us all about who his opponents were.

LOL

What was his fighting style?

LOL

You don't even know who he is.

But that doesn't stop you from making your inane "evaluations."

[elmersalsa]

Packey McFarland and Tommy Ryan are easily top 25 alltime, and Jimmy Barry's not far behind.

I just don't know how can they fit in in the top 25 when there are a great amount of extraordinary and excellent fighters.

Tell us who was better than Jimmy Barry.

A whole bunch of fighters in my view were better than him...He was not the best fighter of his generation to begin with...It was Terry McGovern. Peter Jackson was better than he too. At bantamweight, I cannot see him better than Eder Jofre, Panama Al Brown, Ruben Olivares nor even better than Carlos Zarate nor Manuel Ortiz. Hey, he was not even better than Fighting Harada. Just because he never lost a fight does not mean he should be in the top 25 all-time. Tommy Ryan was better than he. At least Ryan won 2 titles in 2 different weight classes. Barry's career was short. He only fought for 8 years. How can we justify greatness with only 8 years in the ring??? His best opponent??? Casper Leon??? He is in my all time list because he never lost a fight in his generation, but compared to other fighters, I cannot see him on top 25 all time. But I can see him as one of the greatest bantams ever.

LOL

By the way, tell us what weight class he fought in.

He fought in 2 weight classes. Paper weight division and bantam

LOL

Tell us all about who his opponents were.

Casper Leon...He fought him about 5 times, drew about 4 times with him and beat him once.
Walter Croot...Barry KO'd him in 20 rounds...Maybe Croot was a good fighter.
Anybody else? I don't know. Maybe barry can help me with the old fighters from the 1880s and 1890s...Or maybe you could help me, granberry. Maybe my view on Jimmy Barry could change.

LOL

What was his fighting style?.

According to the historians, he was a great defensive fighter with a hell of a punch. His record suggest that he can hit hard. I also read that he lost his killer's instict after the fight with Croot.



LOL

You don't even know who he is. But that doesn't stop you from making your inane "evaluations."

I have never seen him fight. He was waaaayyyy before my time. Maybe he was all that. Why he did not fight Terry McGovern? Maybe he was past his prime when McGovern was around. Barry NEVER FOUGHT Pedlar Palmer, Billy Plimmer, George Dixon, Torpedo Billy Murphy, Solly Smith nor Eddie Santry. Great fighters of his era. Why he never fought them? I do not know. Maybe we should look more into his career and the figthers that he fought.

[granberry]

I just don't know how can they fit in in the top 25 when there are a great amount of extraordinary and excellent fighters.

Tell us who was better than Jimmy Barry.

A whole bunch of fighters in my view were better than him...He was not the best fighter of his generation to begin with...It was Terry McGovern. Peter Jackson was better than he too. At bantamweight, I cannot see him better than Eder Jofre, Panama Al Brown, Ruben Olivares nor even better than Carlos Zarate nor Manuel Ortiz. Hey, he was not even better than Fighting Harada. Just because he never lost a fight does not mean he should be in the top 25 all-time. Tommy Ryan was better than he. At least Ryan won 2 titles in 2 different weight classes. Barry's career was short. He only fought for 8 years. How can we justify greatness with only 8 years in the ring??? His best opponent??? Casper Leon??? He is in my all time list because he never lost a fight in his generation, but compared to other fighters, I cannot see him on top 25 all time. But I can see him as one of the greatest bantams ever.

LOL

By the way, tell us what weight class he fought in.

He fought in 2 weight classes. Paper weight division and bantam

LOL

Tell us all about who his opponents were.

Casper Leon...He fought him about 5 times, drew about 4 times with him and beat him once.
Walter Croot...Barry KO'd him in 20 rounds...Maybe Croot was a good fighter.
Anybody else? I don't know. Maybe barry can help me with the old fighters from the 1880s and 1890s...Or maybe you could help me, granberry. Maybe my view on Jimmy Barry could change.

LOL

What was his fighting style?.

According to the historians, he was a great defensive fighter with a hell of a punch. His record suggest that he can hit hard. I also read that he lost his killer's instict after the fight with Croot.



LOL

You don't even know who he is. But that doesn't stop you from making your inane "evaluations."

I have never seen him fight. He was waaaayyyy before my time. Maybe he was all that. Why he did not fight Terry McGovern? Maybe he was past his prime when McGovern was around. Barry NEVER FOUGHT Pedlar Palmer, Billy Plimmer, George Dixon, Torpedo Billy Murphy, Solly Smith nor Eddie Santry. Great fighters of his era. Why he never fought them? I do not know. Maybe we should look more into his career and the figthers that he fought.

Jimmy Barry was a FLYWEIGHT.

You don't even know what weight class he fought in.

Just as I said.

You never heard of him before you posted here,

but that didn't stop you from pouring out another of your nonsensical "evaluations."

Such breathtaking "expertise" on display here.

Is there any other subject in the world other than boxing where the clueless line up eagerly to demonstrate that they are clueless?

[elmersalsa]

You got it all wrong sir granberry...Barry was a paper weight and an all-time great bantamweight. He is listed as one of the greatest bantamweight fighters of all-time. By the way, the flyweight division was not into consideration until the early decade of the 1910s when the great Jimmy Wilde got in.

[granberry]

You got it all wrong sir granberry...Barry was a paper weight and an all-time great bantamweight. He is listed as one of the greatest bantamweight fighters of all-time. By the way, the flyweight division was not into consideration until the early decade of the 1910s when the great Jimmy Wilde got in.

Poor Elmer gets his "knowledge" on boxing from Herbert Goldman and other modern halfwits.

Paper weight is a completely modern term made up by the clueless who have appropriated "boxing" in the media recently.
There was no such term until the recent takeover of "boxing" media by these clueless.

In surveys and articles in the 1920's Barry was invariably rated the greatest flyweight ever by the trainers, referees, and other boxing people who had seen him.

They were well aware of Jimmy Wilde and said the Jimmy Barry they had seen was superior.

There was a consensus only in two of the eight legitimate weight classes :

Jimmy Barry and Joe Gans were invariably rated far ahead of any other in their respective weight classes.

The wiping out of previous boxing history is the purpose of the more recent "media."

The clueless who post on sites like this parrot the same crap.

Elmer never heard of Jimmy Barry before this thread went up.

Yet he jumps in in his total ignorance of Jimmy Barry to post:

"A whole bunch of fighters in my view were better than him...He was not the best fighter of his generation to begin with"

Pathetic.

There is no other topic I am aware of where those who are completely and totally ignorant of the topic are compelled for some strange reason to compulsively offer their "evaluations" on the subject.

[elmersalsa]

You got it all wrong sir granberry...Barry was a paper weight and an all-time great bantamweight. He is listed as one of the greatest bantamweight fighters of all-time. By the way, the flyweight division was not into consideration until the early decade of the 1910s when the great Jimmy Wilde got in.

Poor Elmer gets his "knowledge" on boxing from Herbert Goldman and other modern halfwits.

Paper weight is a completely modern term made up by the clueless who have appropriated "boxing" in the media recently.
There was no such term until the recent takeover of "boxing" media by these clueless.

In surveys and articles in the 1920's Barry was invariably rated the greatest flyweight ever by the trainers, referees, and other boxing people who had seen him.

They were well aware of Jimmy Wilde and said the Jimmy Barry they had seen was superior.

There was a consensus only in two of the eight legitimate weight classes :

Jimmy Barry and Joe Gans were invariably rated far ahead of any other in their respective weight classes.

The wiping out of previous boxing history is the purpose of the more recent "media."

The clueless who post on sites like this parrot the same crap.

Elmer never heard of Jimmy Barry before this thread went up.

Yet he jumps in in his total ignorance of Jimmy Barry to post:

"A whole bunch of fighters in my view were better than him...He was not the best fighter of his generation to begin with"

Pathetic.

There is no other topic I am aware of where those who are completely and totally ignorant of the topic are compelled for some strange reason to compulsively offer their "evaluations" on the subject.

C'mon granberry, I know that you know a lot of boxing like anybody in here, but I cannot see in Barry's record something extraordinary like saying he beat this guy and that guy. At least, when I see Peter Jackson's record, I see great names on his ledger. The only thing that I see in Barry is that he retired undefeated...That is all, nothing else extraordinary. He probably in his generation was one of the best fighters of his era, or maybe the best, but looking at his record??? hmmmm....What else can I say. At least Packey McFarland was more impressive.

Tell me more about Jimmy Barry, granberry. Like I told you before, you can change my views on him... Or maybe barry the one that knows the old timers better than most can tell me about Jimmy Barry. But so far, at bantamweight, he is not better than Panama Al Brown, Manuel Ortiz, Eder Jofre, Carlos Zarate or Ruben Olivares...great champions that proved their worth FIGHTING THE VERY BEST.

[elmersalsa]

C'mon granberry, let's learn more about the career of Jimmy Barry, Packey Mcfarland and Tommy Ryan, please...Maybe you or someone else could change my views about these fighters.

[granberry]

Poor Elmer never heard of Jimmy Barry before this thread.

[m1kee50]

Poor Elmer never heard of Jimmy Barry before this thread.

so why not educate rather than denigrate?