John Duddy Mistake

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 25 Jul 2007, 04:39

Rng Anncr wrote:No...the owner of this site is not respectful and balanced at all. You're 100% correct.

I choose my words very carefully...and I'm standing behind everything I've said on this subject.

If a fraction of what I've been told this site's owner has said about "The Irish" is true...he cares a lot more about standing behind his bigotry than he does about losing fans, site users, legitimacy or revenue.

It's also ironic that while the site has undergone a recent makeover...the owner's views apparently remain stuck in the mid-1970's.

The underlying anti-Irish attitude of it's owner can't be hidden by a few new BoxRec graphics and flourishes.

I'm just surprised Ian Paisley isn't listed as a mod or a contributer.

Joe A.

lol, your not wrong. JS will never change the nationality of Duddy no matter what the weight of evidence is to prove he is Irish - however, it does not stop us highlighting his bigotry and the inaccurate information on the site where his is passing his point of view off as facts. its actually quite a shame and one of the reasons that Boxrec fails to obtain official recognition

Taki... · Post by **Taki...** » 11 Aug 2007, 15:43

Give it a rest. Really, who gives a toss? John Duddy is shit anyway.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 11 Aug 2007, 19:27

LOL

Some mod has just thrown this discussion about Duddy's Irishness on to the Bristish Forum. Must be a wind up.

Don't you know this is a politically sensitive issue that may jeopardise the terms of the Good Friday Agreement (even though its Saturday). 8)

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 11 Aug 2007, 21:38

It's a shame this has degenerated into slurs and talk of bigotry, but (and I say this as an open minded Englishman!) I believe Duddy should be listed as Irish.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 12 Aug 2007, 02:40

johnob wrote:Not to mention Duddy flew the tricolour in Dublin. We all know where his true roots lay.. Duddy is an Irishman and would like to be seen that way. Stop your imperialistic control on boxrec and change him to Irish.

I gaurentee you if Duddy lost tomorrow they'd change him back to Irish.

Let's all hope that Duddy fights a genuine top 20 middleweight tomorrow then....

Problem will be solved, and this nonsense won't have to crop up again

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 12 Aug 2007, 05:07

Red Medicine wrote:
johnob wrote:John is Irish. He has already stated this. Ask him on his official myspace page, he will clarify it. This website is obviously run by British moderators. John's name is Ireland's John Duddy for a reason. He wishes to be associated with Ireland, not Britain.

His hometown of Derry is predominately associated with "Ireland" and anti-british rule.

John's record should be corrected and stated as "Irish" which is what he is.

Just because Britain terrorised Ireland into control doesn't mean they can swing their weight when someone excercises their god given right on the Island of Ireland to choose their nationality.
In the "Search" section, type in "JohnShep irish." You'll find plenty of topics in which he claims that there is no such thing as the country of Ireland.

Not sure what that means - I think you will find that in the Bunreacht na hÉireann or "Constitution of Ireland" the official name of the country is IRELAND not tthe Republic of Ireland, the Irish Republic, Eire or any other name, its just Ireland.

Imagine if some people on here posted based on facts instead of opinion, maybe they are used to being able to talk whatever shit they want on boxing because that it purely opinion based.

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 12 Aug 2007, 05:13

yiddo14 wrote:
johnob wrote:Not to mention Duddy flew the tricolour in Dublin. We all know where his true roots lay.. Duddy is an Irishman and would like to be seen that way. Stop your imperialistic control on boxrec and change him to Irish.

I gaurentee you if Duddy lost tomorrow they'd change him back to Irish.
Let's all hope that Duddy fights a genuine top 20 middleweight tomorrow then....

Problem will be solved, and this nonsense won't have to crop up again

the thing is that the argument is not really about Duddy at all its about however, John Shep categories ALL Irish people in the North of Ireland as British despite them legally being Irish - Eamonn Magee is another example, as is Eamonn Loughran‎ (his brothers Noel and Terry), Paul McCloskey, Damaen Kelly and many more.

The same arguement will crop up again after Duddy has faded away because the underlying issue is ignored and the information on boxrec is incorrect.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 12 Aug 2007, 05:31

How on earth did this stupidity surface again?

IrishPaddy · Post by **IrishPaddy** » 12 Aug 2007, 07:45

the fact that we are in the 4th page of this bewilders me.

John Shep sort it out you prick. And fornicate boxrec this is the last time im using this fuckin site.

BIGOTS

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 12 Aug 2007, 10:42

IrishPaddy wrote:the fact that we are in the 4th page of this bewilders me.

John Shep sort it out you prick. And eff boxrec this is the last time im using this fuckin site.

BIGOTS

See ya Paul Moore/Irish paddy.

Really, you should'nt have let this bother you that much matey

BigEars · Post by **BigEars** » 12 Aug 2007, 20:56

I argued this many times in the past and am sick from doing so(so won't do it anymore)

But I'd just like to say I'm glad that all fighters from the United Kingdom are now down as being from the United Kingdom and not down as British .

The nationality British was actually incorrect for a lot of fighters from N.Ireland(including John Duddy) and while I would prefer John listed as Irish at least the site is no longer factually incorrect .

What I'm disappointed in is if was the Australians trying to claim some fighter and put up this much of a stink he would have had his nationality changed to Australian long ago . It seems any fighter with an Aussie passport gets their nationality changed to Australian on here........but the same doesn't apply to all other countries .

I suggested to John some time ago that the UK countries be split into England , Scotland , Wales , Northern Ireland on here and I still believe in that . It eliminates all controversey and keeps everyone reasonably happy . Only problem is what flag would be used for Northern Ireland

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 13 Aug 2007, 06:50

BigEars wrote:Only problem is what flag would be used for Northern Ireland

Probably the Northern Ireland flag!!!

BigEars · Post by **BigEars** » 13 Aug 2007, 13:23

steve689 wrote:
BigEars wrote:Only problem is what flag would be used for Northern Ireland
Probably the Northern Ireland flag!!!

You mean the one that hasn't been in official use for years and is disliked by plenty of nationalists ?..............ya probably that one .

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 13 Aug 2007, 14:59

BigEars wrote:
steve689 wrote:
BigEars wrote:Only problem is what flag would be used for Northern Ireland
Probably the Northern Ireland flag!!!
You mean the one that hasn't been in official use for years and is disliked by plenty of nationalists ?..............ya probably that one .

exaclty - obviously these guys are showing there ignorance again, The Ulster Banner (what FIFA use to represent Northern ireland at football) has not been the flag of Northern Ireland for over 30 years.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 13 Aug 2007, 23:15

It's only a matter of time and he'll be an AUSSIE

fatton · Post by **fatton** » 14 Aug 2007, 13:02

Sorry to drag this up again but can't we all get along, after all if they can hold a British title fight in Dublin with Oakey Cokey and Mage surely this little controversy can be sorted out.

Actually I wonder if Maloney will wear his Union Jack suit for that fight in Dublin, there's a dare for little Frank!

alarmakool · Post by **alarmakool** » 14 Aug 2007, 16:06

I thought Duddy was from New York

I'll go change him to American.

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 14 Aug 2007, 18:08

alarmakool wrote:I thought Duddy was from New York

I'll go change him to American.

you do that - anything but British/UK eh!

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 14 Aug 2007, 18:10

fatton wrote:Sorry to drag this up again but can't we all get along, after all if they can hold a British title fight in Dublin with Oakey Cokey and Mage surely this little controversy can be sorted out.

Actually I wonder if Maloney will wear his Union Jack suit for that fight in Dublin, there's a dare for little Frank!

Maloney is the cheekiest chunt of all - both his parents are Irish and he goes on like a Brit like Maggie the whore.

Anyway - just because you can fight for a British title doesnt make you British, just like fighting for an Irish title doesnt make you Irish

JCS · Post by **JCS** » 14 Aug 2007, 18:11

UK isn't good enough? Come on people.

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 16 Aug 2007, 14:42

JCS wrote:UK isn't good enough? Come on people.

not sure what you mean! Why dont they list all US boxers as Candian or Mexican!?

JCS · Post by **JCS** » 16 Aug 2007, 15:44

sligobhoy67 wrote:
JCS wrote:UK isn't good enough? Come on people.
not sure what you mean! Why dont they list all US boxers as Candian or Mexican!?

Because they aren't Canadian or Mexican, for the most case.

banjaxd · Post by **banjaxd** » 16 Aug 2007, 18:32

if the guy wants to be listed as irish they should list him as irish...

i wasn't trying to be political when i said n. ireland is part of the uk - i am pretty certain it is and its just a factual point...

i think i understand what they meant by choosing your passport/nationality - i assume everyone in northern ireland has that right..

clearly if mr duddy has an irish passport he can expect to be registered as an irish fighter on this site...

any other classification is probably a result of confusion and ignorance rather than malice - at least i would hope so

the patriot · Post by **the patriot** » 27 Sep 2007, 06:54

I'm sure I'll get slated for bringing this subject up AGAIN

But so what !!!!!!

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

boxer: Andy Lee
Global ID 344849
sex male
birth date 1984-06-11
age 23
manager/agent register
division middleweight
rating 75 / 964
nationality Ireland
residence Limerick, Ireland
birth place London, England
stance southpaw
height 6′ 2″
US ID MI065796
won 11 (KO eight) + lost 0 (KO 0) + drawn 0 = 11

SO, why is the Kronk trained Andy Lee classed as Irish, when he was born in London, England. And Duddy not classed as Irish when he was actually born in Derry.

If Andy Lee can be clased as Irish, then surely so can John Duddy !

I know whats going to happen now...... Andy Lee will get changed to bloody british

JCS · Post by **JCS** » 27 Sep 2007, 08:12

Because Duddy was born in Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK?

Ireland is NOT part of the UK.