Herbie Hide made EU mandatory

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 21 Aug 2007, 16:37

Herbie's been made mandatory challenger for fake European champion (EU not the proper EBU) Giacobbe Fragomeni.

Frago, of course, gave Haye a thrilling fight before looking old and knackered in outpointing Rossito.

Anyway, progress for Hide. If he can knock him out he'll get some recognition.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 21 Aug 2007, 16:42

Sounds like a good fight to me. However maybe Herbie will struggle if he does not remove Fragomeni within the first 4 rounds, after all he aint getting any younger. Fragomeni recently struggled to outpoint Vincenzo Rossitto over 12 so that suggests to me he is a tough man but after a long amateur career maybe won't make quite as big an impact on the pro game.

And just what is the deal with this silly EU belt? Am i right in thinking it has something to do with the EBU title proper?

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 21 Aug 2007, 16:52

I suppose it's to the real European title what the English title is to the British.

BigEars · Post by **BigEars** » 21 Aug 2007, 17:15

Autobarn wrote:I suppose it's to the real European title what the English title is to the British.

Correct it is only available to fighters inside the EU and it leads to a full European title shot . I'm normally against all these bullshit titles but I kind of like the EU title . It's often useful for young fighters to build them up and use as a stepping stone to the full thing .

An External European Union belt has come about recently too for all the European countries outside the EU . I'm not so much of a fan of that one , it seems to be mainly a Ukranian belt at the moment anyway .

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 21 Aug 2007, 18:30

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pq-KZVyGkqU

A user reckons Hide was Ko'ed by a deadly and accurate punch!

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 21 Aug 2007, 19:39

Twisted Transistor wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=pq-KZVyGkqU

A user reckons Hide was Ko'ed by a deadly and accurate punch!

Great link, does anyone remember the quality interview with allegedly allegedly after the fight? I think he basically sacked Herbie live on air by saying that all he cares about is saving money and his attiude wasn't right, tat travelling to London from Norwich and back every day wasn't ideal preparation etc. Made me chuckle.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 21 Aug 2007, 23:44

I've never seen Fragomeni, can anyone fill me in on what he's like and how he will deal with Hide?

I read an article where Hide's promoter said "When Herbie signed with arena I promised him a title match within the first year. Now he is with us for half a year and already fighting for a belt!"

Do you think this is the title match Hide was expecting?

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 22 Aug 2007, 03:20

Twisted Transistor wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=pq-KZVyGkqU

A user reckons Hide was Ko'ed by a deadly and accurate punch!

Watching that clip again after a few years i think Herbert actually won round 1 as Klitschko looked a bit stiff and tentative with the Hide's wild swings. Round 2 of course was a different matter.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 22 Aug 2007, 03:42

Fragomeni is a tough come foward boxer, likes to get close to his opponent and throw hooks. He took some big shots off of Haye early on without folding, even when he was shook up, he managed to smother Haye's follow ups. In the ninth he suddenly fell apart from a good shot, and Hayes follow up finished him. He wasn't knocked out, just couldn't take anymore.

Its going to be an interesting fight with Hide, if Fragomeni shows the same chin as he did against Haye, then he might be able to take Hide to the later rounds and things may start going Fragi's way.
Hide has the power to take any cruiser in the world out with 1 shot , but his chin is also his weak point.
One thing Fragomeni is rated 6th in by the WBC, much to high, but it will look good for Hide if he wins.

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 22 Aug 2007, 04:19

I thought Fragomeni-Rossitto was for the full Euro title, David Haye having vacated?

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 22 Aug 2007, 05:16

Gurov v Cantatore was for the full Euro title

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 22 Aug 2007, 05:42

Lenny wrote:Gurov v Cantatore was for the full Euro title

Cantatore, Sorry.

So, is Hide the mandatory EBU challenger, or does Fragomeni hold both belts? I thought you had to vacate the EU if you won the EBU.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 22 Aug 2007, 06:20

I'm going to pick frago by KO! Herbie will get hit in this fight and we all know what that means.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 22 Aug 2007, 06:32

Cantatore beat Gurov? Was this a robbery, as I can't see Gurov losing such a fight.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 22 Aug 2007, 06:43

oliverfennell wrote:
Lenny wrote:Gurov v Cantatore was for the full Euro title
Cantatore, Sorry.

So, is Hide the mandatory EBU challenger, or does Fragomeni hold both belts? I thought you had to vacate the EU if you won the EBU.

Hide is the mandatory for Fragomenni's EU belt.

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 22 Aug 2007, 07:52

nickd wrote:
oliverfennell wrote:
Lenny wrote:Gurov v Cantatore was for the full Euro title
Cantatore, Sorry.

So, is Hide the mandatory EBU challenger, or does Fragomeni hold both belts? I thought you had to vacate the EU if you won the EBU.
Hide is the mandatory for Fragomenni's EU belt.

So Fragomeni holds both? I thought this wasn't allowed.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 22 Aug 2007, 07:57

oliverfennell wrote:
nickd wrote:
oliverfennell wrote: Cantatore, Sorry.

So, is Hide the mandatory EBU challenger, or does Fragomeni hold both belts? I thought you had to vacate the EU if you won the EBU.
Hide is the mandatory for Fragomenni's EU belt.
So Fragomeni holds both? I thought this wasn't allowed.

Have you been smoking something???

Fragomeni holds the EU title
Cantatore holds the EBU title

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 22 Aug 2007, 07:57

Cantatore holds the EBU belt after he beat Alexander Gurov on a MD, Cantatore have Jean Marc Monrose as mandatory challenger

Fragomeni only has the EU belt, a title he won by beating Vincenzo Rossitto on points a coule of weeks ago.

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 22 Aug 2007, 08:38

Right!

Sorry for the confusion. It was the Fragomeni fight a few weeks ago which I was thinking of - I thought it was for the EBU title. Obviously not.

I'd pick Hide to beat him.

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 22 Aug 2007, 09:45

Hide is so unreliable, knock out or be knocked out must be hit motto. Hide has shown he still has the power this year but look at the level of opposition, it has been very poor.

Fragomeni is one tough man and I can't see him being fazed by Herbie. He will take his lumps and hit back, sooner or later Hide get's clocked again. Good night Dancing Destroyer!

And Fragomeni isn't even a puncher!!! But he doesn't have to be in this one does he.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 22 Aug 2007, 10:11

Why do we all a fascination for Herbie Hide? Is it the car wreck factor (ie watching his career is like looking at a car crash), or that he could have been a very good cruiser?

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 22 Aug 2007, 10:18

Autobarn wrote:Why do we all a fascination for Herbie Hide? Is it the car wreck factor (ie watching his career is like looking at a car crash), or that he could have been a very good cruiser?

No, it's because he is bloody insane!

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 22 Aug 2007, 11:19

I think its not just Hide's chin that has let him down , but he just doesn't like to be hit (not such a bad thing you'd think), but when someone does connect, its like he goes into shock.
He seems to panic and this wears himself out more than some of the punches.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 22 Aug 2007, 12:03

The man with arguably a better name than Cengiz Koc! (especially when you hear Holdsworth pronouncing his name in one of his earlier fights!). I think old Fragomeni will KO Hide. He is durable, can't punch (but then he doesn't have to).

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 22 Aug 2007, 12:04

stujones wrote:The man with arguably a better name than Cengiz Koc! (especially when you hear Holdsworth pronouncing his name in one of his earlier fights!). I think old Fragomeni will KO Hide. He is durable, can't punch (but then he doesn't have to).

Sorry to disappoint you, but Koc in this case is pronounced "Kotch"