Please check this record and get it fixed

Matt Ropis · Post by **Matt Ropis** » 21 Aug 2007, 18:13

Hello my name is Matt Ropis and I am writing to correct a wrong entry in my record. You have my fight with Billy Moeller on 21-9-77 as a KO loss
I was never knocked off my feet in all my life inside or outside the ring.
Could you please change this to TKO which it was as the referee thought I was taking too much punishment and stopped the fight.
Thank you Matt Ropis

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 21 Aug 2007, 22:15

Can U Fax a clipping of a show report to authenticate?

Unfortunately back in the day, most record books did not define the different types of stoppages.
KO was reported in the “World Wide Reports” section of British Boxing News Nov. 4, 1977 issue;
the 1978 Ring RB, p.803 and 1978 Small Glove News record book on p.125.

The 1981 Small Glove News record book (p.63) used ID (inside distance) for all stoppages.

Perhaps our Aussie historians can help.

Matt Ropis · Post by **Matt Ropis** » 22 Aug 2007, 08:24

Ask Billy Moeller that would be the simplest thing to do and no I have no proof of it but this is fact I never had a count applied to me in all my life.
Matt Ropis

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 22 Aug 2007, 10:10

Matt
I’ve been thru this with you.
If a ref stops a fight, all it means he stopped the inevitable, If a bloke is down & the ref waves it off, it means he ain't in condition to continue if he counted to 30. What's the point of a lesson in counting?
I checked with John Hogg, and he’s got it KO.

Matt Ropis · Post by **Matt Ropis** » 23 Aug 2007, 02:44

a KO is when the ref counts to 10 otherwise it is tko
Matt

JCS · Post by **JCS** » 23 Aug 2007, 09:54

Matt Ropis wrote:a KO is when the ref counts to 10 otherwise it is tko
Matt

If a guy is down and it doesn't appear that he'll get up, the ref can either decide not to count, or end the count early. This would be declared a KO.

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 23 Aug 2007, 09:57

JCS wrote: If a guy is down and it doesn't appear that he'll get up, the ref can either decide not to count, or end the count early. This would be declared a KO.

Anything else than a 10-count is a officially a TKO.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 23 Aug 2007, 10:25

Not in those days

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 23 Aug 2007, 10:28

JCS wrote:
Matt Ropis wrote:a KO is when the ref counts to 10 otherwise it is tko
Matt

If a guy is down and it doesn't appear that he'll get up, the ref can either decide not to count, or end the count early. This would be declared a KO.

This is true. Referee's discretion. If a fighter gets absolutely drilled and the referee decides to wave it off immediately he can rule it a KO and usually will. No sense in counting.

JCS · Post by **JCS** » 23 Aug 2007, 10:32

npal wrote:
JCS wrote:
Matt Ropis wrote:a KO is when the ref counts to 10 otherwise it is tko
Matt

If a guy is down and it doesn't appear that he'll get up, the ref can either decide not to count, or end the count early. This would be declared a KO.
This is true. Referee's discretion. If a fighter gets absolutely drilled and the referee decides to wave it off immediately he can rule it a KO and usually will. No sense in counting.

Just like Calvin Brock vs. Zuri Lawrence. Nady could've counted to 100, but instead, chose not to count.

Fight's decision = KO.

wouter I thought you were an editor?

Musashi · Post by **Musashi** » 23 Aug 2007, 10:46

JCS wrote:Just like Calvin Brock vs. Zuri Lawrence. Nady could've counted to 100, but instead, chose not to count.

Fight's decision = KO.

We were thinking the same thing. I put a thread in the current scene about it.

claudevsq · Post by **claudevsq** » 23 Aug 2007, 14:44

But he was counted on when standing on his feet so = TKO!

claudevsq · Post by **claudevsq** » 23 Aug 2007, 14:45

Sorry, he was not counted on, the ref jumped in between the fighters and stopped the punishment.

Matt Ropis · Post by **Matt Ropis** » 23 Aug 2007, 22:04

If no count was put on me and I was not knocked down it was a TKO
Matt
I never got punch drunk so you people in my computer could get it wrong.

BobbyDobbs · Post by **BobbyDobbs** » 23 Aug 2007, 22:08

Matt Ropis wrote:If count was put on me and I was not knocked down it was a TKO
Matt
I never got punch drunk so you people in my computer could get it wrong.

What is the big deal? Just change it for the man. That one letter does not change anything historically...but it means something to him.

BD

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 23 Aug 2007, 23:09

Is that sort of like back when you used to be an editor here and removed the scorecards of your fighters when they lost, so it made them look better.

JCS · Post by **JCS** » 23 Aug 2007, 23:10

tegenm wrote:Is that sort of like back when you used to be an editor here and removed the scorecards of your fighters when they lost, so it made them look better.

Damn.

BobbyDobbs · Post by **BobbyDobbs** » 23 Aug 2007, 23:10

tegenm wrote:Is that sort of like back when you used to be an editor here and removed the scorecards of your fighters when they lost, so it made them look better.

Its really more like when you used to make up lies about other people in order to make yourself look better.

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 23 Aug 2007, 23:37

BobbyDobbs wrote:
tegenm wrote:Is that sort of like back when you used to be an editor here and removed the scorecards of your fighters when they lost, so it made them look better.
Its really more like when you used to make up lies about other people in order to make yourself look better.

Yeah your right, I didn't mention you would take out knockdown comments as well (From October 1, 2004) referring to Stephanie's fight:

JohnShep wrote:Bobby, why did you take out the Moreno scoring and the knockdown coment ?

2004-06-12 110 Carina Moreno 111 3-0-0
San Jose State Events Center, San Jose, CA, USA L UD 6 6 Blue|bobby
~ Referee: Marty Sammon | 53-60 | 53-60 | 53-60

I only mentioned this because I got a good laugh when you tried to give your two cents on how we should keep records.

BobbyDobbs · Post by **BobbyDobbs** » 23 Aug 2007, 23:42

tegenm wrote:
BobbyDobbs wrote:
tegenm wrote:Is that sort of like back when you used to be an editor here and removed the scorecards of your fighters when they lost, so it made them look better.
Its really more like when you used to make up lies about other people in order to make yourself look better.
Yeah your right, I didn't mention you would take out knockdown comments as well (From October 1, 2004) referring to Stephanie's fight:

JohnShep wrote:Bobby, why did you take out the Moreno scoring and the knockdown coment ?

2004-06-12 110 Carina Moreno 111 3-0-0
San Jose State Events Center, San Jose, CA, USA L UD 6 6 Blue|bobby
~ Referee: Marty Sammon | 53-60 | 53-60 | 53-60
I only mentioned this because I got a good laugh when you tried to give your two cents on how we should keep records.

Because she didnt get knocked down!

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 23 Aug 2007, 23:59

What is the big deal? Just change it for the man. That one letter does not change anything historically...but it means something to him.

True, but do it for one & there will be no end to others. :P

Matt Ropis · Post by **Matt Ropis** » 24 Aug 2007, 00:22

Good to see you are an Australian based record keeper yet you have to rely on overseas media to get your results, I am requesting you check this with an Australian based boxing organisation.
A fight that a referee considers one of contestants is taking too much punishments and waves it off is not a KO.
Is this too hard for you people who live in my computer to understand.
if it is I will not light a candle for you on Sunday.
Matt Ropis

gravel · Post by **gravel** » 11 Jan 2008, 09:00

Matt Ropis wrote: I was never knocked off my feet in all my life inside or outside the ring.

Gotta go in and bat for Matt, maybe a bit late but only just joined up. Back in the 70`s I was lucky enough to spar with Mattie quite a bit and even in a spar he gave as good as he got, I must admit I let him have some of my best shots and they didn`t even faze him (OK so I didn`t have a KO punch...lol) but I was quite a bit heavier as a Middleweight. Just wanna add I believe at the time pound for pound Mattie was the toughest fighter in Australia. ~Graeme Battams~

popeye · Post by **popeye** » 13 Jan 2008, 20:07

I remember Matt fighting on TV ringside.
A vet of 40 fights,, & I'm sure that if Billy Moeller, who Mat had fought before for a points win, had have knocked him down or out, it would have rated a few more words than a paragraph that read something like " The fight was stopped in the 7th round"

Given his record & the amount of fighters of his era that are still around that can attest to his claim (Never been knocked down or out) I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt, over a journalist that had prolly never even heard of him, & cared even less about the definitive terms KO or TKO.

There's a lack of understanding here of the importance this has to a fighter.

Boxrec does a fabulous job, as does all it's editors, & I'm impressed that it is not easily sucked into record tampering, but it is just as important that the records are as accurate as evidence allows.

Anton, as far as "where will it end" it ends with the sway of evidence.
When there is a record of achievement versus an opinion, the record must get sway.

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