US Olympic Trials - Results

holeymoley99 · Post by **holeymoley99** » 23 Aug 2007, 19:58

Gary Russell easily advancing. He has Rios next and then he gets revenge on Marroquin.

I see a repeat of Mayweather/Augie Sanchez from 1996,Mayweather lost to Augie by 1 point juts like Gary's loss after being the heavy favorite then beat Augie by double digets twice in a row in the box offs.

holeymoley99 · Post by **holeymoley99** » 23 Aug 2007, 20:20

Pagan reversed his 3 point loss to Rico at the US Championships with a 12-8 victory tonight, pretty impressive.

zhdamistro · Post by **zhdamistro** » 23 Aug 2007, 21:01

what happened to dominic wade? does anyone know why he got disqualified?

holeymoley99 · Post by **holeymoley99** » 23 Aug 2007, 21:02

Wade was DQ'ed at the Eastern Trials vs Han as well.

zhdamistro · Post by **zhdamistro** » 23 Aug 2007, 21:04

"Wade was DQ'ed at the Eastern Trials vs Han as well."

do you know what for?

ringsidemike · Post by **ringsidemike** » 23 Aug 2007, 21:15

zhdamistro wrote:what happened to dominic wade? does anyone know why he got disqualified?

For 3 point deductions..
-not listening to STOP command from ref
-holding and twisting
-holding some more

Wade dropped Porter early on and had good lead when dq'd, but porter was coming on strong..

emile · Post by **emile** » 23 Aug 2007, 22:24

Evening Bouts -- August 23
106 lbs/challengers bracket: Malcom Franklin, Rialto, Calif., dec. Roberto Ceron, Doraville, Ga., 23-19
112 lbs/challengers bracket: Qa'id Muhammad, Atlantic City, N.J., dec. Bruno Escalante, Waimanalo, Hawaii/NMU, 29-20
119 lbs/challengers bracket: Gary Russell, Jr., Capitol Heights, Md., stopped Sergio Perales, Los Fresnos, Texas, RSCO-2 (1:36)
125 lbs/challengers bracket: Shemuel Pagan, Brooklyn, N.Y., dec. Rico Ramos, Los Angeles, Calif., 12-8
132 lbs/challengers bracket: Miguel Gonzalez, Cleveland, Ohio, dec. Terence Crawford, Omaha, Neb., 23-32
141 lbs/challengers bracket: Danny Garcia, Philadelphia, Pa., dec. Jeremy Bryan, Clifton, N.J., 25-21
152 lbs/challengers bracket: Charles Hatley, Dallas, Texas, dec. Boyd Melson, Fort Carson, Colo., 24-14
165 lbs/challengers bracket: Shawn Porter, Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, won on disqualification over Dominic Wade, Largo, Md., DQ
178 lbs/challengers bracket: Angel Concepcion, East Orange, N.J., dec. Cymone Kearney, Oakland, Calif., 17-11
201 lbs/challengers bracket: Adam Willett, Bellport, N.Y., dec. David Carey, Anchorage, Alaska, 17-8
201+ lbs/challengers bracket: Mike Wilson, Central Point, Ore., dec. Andrew Shepherd, Fort Carson, Colo., 22-7

Dancin' Dan · Post by **Dancin' Dan** » 24 Aug 2007, 01:07

Mike Wilson won the Super Heavy challenge by a wide margin. Wish the points had fallen his way with Kimbo and this wouldn't be necessary. I expect he'll start much quicker this time and then fight Hunter in the finals. He lost an extremely close one to Hunter in the Nationals. One pointer. This after being a three time National Champ and Oympic runner up.

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 24 Aug 2007, 01:14

Gary Russell is coming back strong... I think his fitrst round lose was a wake up call, he WILL be on the Olympic team.

As for Mike Wilson.. I dont think he can beat Hunter.. and if he does somehow make it onto the team it wouldnt be good. We ahve already seen what he can do on the International level.. Hunter is younger and already proven he can beat Wilson

emile · Post by **emile** » 24 Aug 2007, 10:26

ringsidemike wrote:
zhdamistro wrote:what happened to dominic wade? does anyone know why he got disqualified?
For 3 point deductions..
-not listening to STOP command from ref
-holding and twisting
-holding some more

Wade dropped Porter early on and had good lead when dq'd, but porter was coming on strong..

Houston Chronicle reports that Wade was up 28-24 heading into the fourth round when he was DQ'd.

kidscoach · Post by **kidscoach** » 24 Aug 2007, 10:34

Unfortunately I am not at Houston, but there has been a lot of discussion about all the fouls and infractions occuring in the rings. A number of people I have talked to are telling me USA Boxing is just "letting them fight", letting most harm fouls "go", holding, pushing, wrestling, hitting behind the head and elbows are being "overlooked". There is a reason that the rules are in place to control the ring, and that is THE SAFETY OF THE BOXER. Is the new motto "let the dirtiest boxer win"? We are supposed to train these kids to be fair, fight clean, listen to the referees, sportsmanship, and all those things, then to win at the most important tournament in these athletes' lives, they allow this to go on. I absolutely do not like what this is teaching our youth. Twice now, in box rec, there has been mention of bouts with Porter, the one with Jacobs and the one with Wade. What are our officials going to do, wait until someone seriously hurts that boy before they are going to straighten things up and make our athletes box the way they should? What is the matter, can't they beat Porter without fighting dirty? Are we going to send a bunch of Thugs to Beijing to show the world how wonderful the USA is? Yes, I have heard that the officiating in Beijing will probably not be clean (why should it when they can get away with it?) What is this doing to our sport? BABY, THIS IS NOT MMA!!! NOR SHOULD IT EVER BE! I was proud of the referee that DQ'd Wade. No athlete should be subjected to the fouls and possible injury that they are allowing to happen at this tournament!!!! It is a terrible shame that there is no videotaping of this tournament, I would have loved to watch the cream of the crop in action. However, I heard that at the grievance filed by the Wade coach, that he had indeed recorded the bout. I think that it is pretty sad that even the coaches flaunt the rules, (the coach could have put a lid on Wade's behavior in the ring if he had wanted to) and gee, look what that is teaching the athletes. I just bet that there will be no penalty for that coach that taped the bout. Our governing body needs to step up and take care of our sport and deal with those that blatantly break the rules. If Wade had won and was to box Estrada in the finals, who would be the winner-the one still alive? We all know Estrada's reputation too. The saddest part of this is, I have met all these young men, and I like them all, they all have the skills to win a clean bout. Shouldn't we be forcing them to clean up their acts!!
Don't get me wrong. I certainly do not want an official nit-picking and fussing over every little infringement, either. The boxers do indeed need to have some room. But it appears the officiating lately has gone too far the other way.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 24 Aug 2007, 11:56

The officiating is not being orchestrated by USA Boxing. International refereeing is to "let them fight" more and not be so quick to stop the action with cautions, although there have been a good number of cautons given. Since this is an all AIBA event, the refereeing is being done according to AIBA rules. Warnings are being given for flagrant harm fouls - that's what happened to Wade last night.

I will also say that the percentage of sloppy boxers and sloppy bouts at this level has really surprised me. And this is not a product of the officiating here. Makes me wonder why the coaches aren't doing their jobs......

The "no video camera" edict has not stopped people from sneaking them in - this is not an issue for USA boxing to deal with - maybe the USOC would care to slap hands.

My last comment - with the exception of Wade's blatent fouls last night, I have not seen any exceptional or deliberate "dirty' tactics this week.

ringsidemike · Post by **ringsidemike** » 24 Aug 2007, 15:29

emile wrote:
ringsidemike wrote:
zhdamistro wrote:what happened to dominic wade? does anyone know why he got disqualified?
For 3 point deductions..
-not listening to STOP command from ref
-holding and twisting
-holding some more

Wade dropped Porter early on and had good lead when dq'd, but porter was coming on strong..
Houston Chronicle reports that Wade was up 28-24 heading into the fourth round when he was DQ'd.

So did BoxinTalk.com & BS.com

kidscoach · Post by **kidscoach** » 24 Aug 2007, 19:11

If there are no videocameras allowed, is there going to be a DVD we can purchase? It would certainly be to the advantage of the boxing world to share this tournament with the public and all those who couldn't come. There are a great many of us that would like to see the bouts.
I understand that this is an AIBA officiated event, but I also understand that USA Boxing decided to make it an all AIBA event, hence they are condoning the "let them fight" mentality? This is a USA Boxing event, is it not, not an AIBA event(not paid for by AIBA), so ultimately USA Boxing would have the last word. True, I am not there. But the chatter I have been hearing from multiple souces is that it has been pretty rough and lax at times. And Mel, you are right, if there is sloppy boxing, it wasn't invented in the ring today. However, many good boxers, the only way some opponents have to win is to lay on them, hold, aggravate them, etc.etc. try to smother them. Makes for a sloppy bout. Classic tactic is "if you are tired, lay on them".

ringsidemike · Post by **ringsidemike** » 24 Aug 2007, 20:21

Franklin defeats Hurtado.. bit of upset..
he was elusive, sticking and moving, circling on outside..
hurtado just couldnt generate any momentum..

emile · Post by **emile** » 24 Aug 2007, 20:27

I'm not too surprised by that. Franklin has given Yanez the closest fight, was just unlucky he had to fight him first.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 24 Aug 2007, 20:49

kidscoach wrote:Unfortunately I am not at Houston, but there has been a lot of discussion about all the fouls and infractions occuring in the rings. A number of people I have talked to are telling me USA Boxing is just "letting them fight", letting most harm fouls "go", holding, pushing, wrestling, hitting behind the head and elbows are being "overlooked". There is a reason that the rules are in place to control the ring, and that is THE SAFETY OF THE BOXER. Is the new motto "let the dirtiest boxer win"? We are supposed to train these kids to be fair, fight clean, listen to the referees, sportsmanship, and all those things, then to win at the most important tournament in these athletes' lives, they allow this to go on. I absolutely do not like what this is teaching our youth. Twice now, in box rec, there has been mention of bouts with Porter, the one with Jacobs and the one with Wade. What are our officials going to do, wait until someone seriously hurts that boy before they are going to straighten things up and make our athletes box the way they should? What is the matter, can't they beat Porter without fighting dirty? Are we going to send a bunch of Thugs to Beijing to show the world how wonderful the USA is? Yes, I have heard that the officiating in Beijing will probably not be clean (why should it when they can get away with it?) What is this doing to our sport? BABY, THIS IS NOT MMA!!! NOR SHOULD IT EVER BE! I was proud of the referee that DQ'd Wade. No athlete should be subjected to the fouls and possible injury that they are allowing to happen at this tournament!!!! It is a terrible shame that there is no videotaping of this tournament, I would have loved to watch the cream of the crop in action. However, I heard that at the grievance filed by the Wade coach, that he had indeed recorded the bout. I think that it is pretty sad that even the coaches flaunt the rules, (the coach could have put a lid on Wade's behavior in the ring if he had wanted to) and gee, look what that is teaching the athletes. I just bet that there will be no penalty for that coach that taped the bout. Our governing body needs to step up and take care of our sport and deal with those that blatantly break the rules. If Wade had won and was to box Estrada in the finals, who would be the winner-the one still alive? We all know Estrada's reputation too. The saddest part of this is, I have met all these young men, and I like them all, they all have the skills to win a clean bout. Shouldn't we be forcing them to clean up their acts!! Don't get me wrong. I certainly do not want an official nit-picking and fussing over every little infringement, either. The boxers do indeed need to have some room. But it appears the officiating lately has gone too far the other way.

Porter is very strong and hits hard. He makes these guys work harder than they want to and when they get tire they start to "hold on for dear life". The ref did do the right thing. She took control and taught Wade a lesson. Hopefully, she sent a message to Jacobs too. AIBA bouts are very tough. The ones I have witness allow incredible amounts of holding, wrestling, headlocks, elbows, headbutts, you name it. I don't like it, but it is the way international bouts are officiated. Our boxers have to be able to handle it.

In regard to the videotaping, it was another boxer not a coach that did the videotaping. The no videotaping is a dumb rule, but it is done to get NBC to buy the TV rights for the trials. I find it ironic that Wade had a tape of the bout to show at the grievance meeting. It didn't help though because it just showed that he could have been DQ'd earlier in the bout when he repeatedly hit Porter in the back of the head.

emile · Post by **emile** » 24 Aug 2007, 21:01

Evening Bouts -- August 24
106 lbs/challengers bracket: Malcolm Franklin, Rialto, Calif., dec. Diego Hurtado, Reno, Nev., 18-11
112 lbs/challengers bracket: Qa'id Muhammad, Atlantic City, N.J., dec. Aaron Alafa, Visalia, Calif., 20-14
119 lbs/challengers bracket: Gary Russell, Jr., Capitol Heights, Md., dec. Ronny Rios, Santa Ana, Calif., 22-19

Eep, pretty close scrape for Russell. Marroquin has to be a little more comfortable now.

emile · Post by **emile** » 24 Aug 2007, 21:15

125 lbs/challengers bracket: Hylon Williams, Jr., Houston, Texas, dec. Shemuel Pagan, Brooklyn, N.Y., 49-20

Bostonmma · Post by **Bostonmma** » 24 Aug 2007, 21:24

Did Demetrius already advance to the finals? I can't find any info on him since he last fought 2 days ago.

emile · Post by **emile** » 24 Aug 2007, 21:31

132 lbs/challengers bracket: Miguel Gonzalez, Cleveland, Ohio, dec. Jerry Belmontes, Corpus Christi, Texas, 21-12

Andrade is waiting for tonight's winner, who will have to beat him twice to take his place.

Surprised about Belmontes.

ringsidemike · Post by **ringsidemike** » 24 Aug 2007, 21:48

another great Thurman-Hatley bout.. both scored 8 counts...

Thurman had big lead and ran out of gas, Hatley dominated 4th round, but came up short..

ringsidemike · Post by **ringsidemike** » 24 Aug 2007, 22:04

Jacobs dominates Porter 31-11

holeymoley99 · Post by **holeymoley99** » 24 Aug 2007, 23:01

Kimdo does it again,beats Wilson 18-17. The King of the 1 pointer and tiebreaker.

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 24 Aug 2007, 23:11

with Kimdo beating Wilson.. It looks like Hunter will be on the team

Kinda feel for Wilson.. he stayed an Amateur so long after losing in the last Trials just to make the Olympic team and fails, he had a good run though with several National titles n making the Pan Am team

US Olympic Trials - Results

Russell

Pagan wins

Eastern Trials

Bethel by 1 point yet again