Boxing - National Anthems

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:12

Wales and J you are right. I am not a big rugby fan by any means.

As I understand it now isn't Croke Park a GAA ground with traditional links to republicanism, and why in the past they wouldn't entertain England and the national anthem?

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:14

J wrote:
Carlos-Wigan wrote:
BigEars wrote: lol , how old are you less than 3 ?

27/2/2005 Ireland v England at Landsdowne Road , it was sung then .
It was also sung on 24/2/2007 at Croke Park .
It has been played twice then, it is a well known fact that 'God save the queen' was never played at Landsdowne road, every five nations between England and Ireland at Landsdowne Road I ever watched, God save the queen was never played.

lol , how old are you less than 3 ?
No, wouldn't I have to be older than 3? Please don't live up to your national stereotype, we have all moved on since Bernard Manning croaked it!
dude what are you talking about its been played EVERYTIME . I can only think you are putting the kettle on or something when its played fella.

Really i can gaurentee you God save the queen is played before every English rugby game anywhere. I dont miss em Im a rugby fanatic so just trust me on this.

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Its not been played everytime at all, one of the big gripes about England playing at Landsdowne road was the fact that they would only play the Irish republics natonal anthem and the awful Irelands call when playing England.

I remember the BBC commentary team pointing this out and my ears pricked up 'Oh OK' not thta it bothered me or anything, it just came across as strange.

Its not debateable, arguing between two points of view, its stating fact!

J · Post by J » 28 Aug 2007, 09:16

Yes due to the incident made more infamous in the film Michael collins.

it had until last year been used solely for "irish sports" gaelic football and the likes. Hence the kerfuffle when it was used as rugby venie and worse still that England were to be playing there.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:18

SticknMove wrote: As I understand it now isn't Croke Park a GAA ground with traditional links to republicanism,

The GAA is an Irish nationalist organisation; stating it is republican is too strong a term IMO.

Traditionally the GAA have not allowed any non-Gaelic sports to be played in their stadia - only recently has this rule been relaxed.

J · Post by J » 28 Aug 2007, 09:23

Carlos-Wigan wrote:
J wrote:
Carlos-Wigan wrote: It has been played twice then, it is a well known fact that 'God save the queen' was never played at Landsdowne road, every five nations between England and Ireland at Landsdowne Road I ever watched, God save the queen was never played.
No, wouldn't I have to be older than 3? Please don't live up to your national stereotype, we have all moved on since Bernard Manning croaked it!
dude what are you talking about its been played EVERYTIME . I can only think you are putting the kettle on or something when its played fella.

Really i can gaurentee you God save the queen is played before every English rugby game anywhere. I dont miss em Im a rugby fanatic so just trust me on this.

.
Its not been played everytime at all, one of the big gripes about England playing at Landsdowne road was the fact that they would only play the Irish republics natonal anthem and the awful Irelands call when playing England.

I remember the BBC commentary team pointing this out and my ears pricked up 'Oh OK' not thta it bothered me or anything, it just came across as strange.

Its not debateable, arguing between two points of view, its stating fact!

maybe in the 80s mate when I was a nipper and at the height of the sectarian troubles but its been played for as long as I can remember.

Dont start getting arsey fella, theres no need. Just cos you state it as FACT, does not make it so.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:27

TerribleTerry wrote:
SticknMove wrote: As I understand it now isn't Croke Park a GAA ground with traditional links to republicanism,
The GAA is an Irish nationalist organisation; stating it is republican is too strong a term IMO.

Traditionally the GAA have not allowed any non-Gaelic sports to be played in their stadia - only recently has this rule been relaxed.

I didn't state it TT I merely asked the question without intending to cast any aspersions. But I understand your point.

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:30

J wrote:
Carlos-Wigan wrote:
J wrote: dude what are you talking about its been played EVERYTIME . I can only think you are putting the kettle on or something when its played fella.

Really i can gaurentee you God save the queen is played before every English rugby game anywhere. I dont miss em Im a rugby fanatic so just trust me on this.

.
Its not been played everytime at all, one of the big gripes about England playing at Landsdowne road was the fact that they would only play the Irish republics natonal anthem and the awful Irelands call when playing England.

I remember the BBC commentary team pointing this out and my ears pricked up 'Oh OK' not thta it bothered me or anything, it just came across as strange.

Its not debateable, arguing between two points of view, its stating fact!

maybe in the 80s mate when I was a nipper and at the height of the sectarian troubles but its been played for as long as I can remember.

Dont start getting arsey fella, theres no need. Just cos you state it as FACT, does not make it so.

Whose getting arsey with you? no-one is getting arsey with you so just relax.

If they have played 'God save the queen' at Landsdowne Road then it has been a very recent inclusion. The times I have watched England vs Ireland they have never played it and when I heard the comment (which I took to be FACT) from the BBC commentary team about God save the queen not being played at the Landsdowne road would have been round the time of the millenium.

J · Post by J » 28 Aug 2007, 09:30

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/sport/story. ... 8x&t=rugby

sorry maybe i took your post the wrong way, no intonation, apologies I am calm was hoping you were too, which evidently you are.....

they were there and see quote "I was at lansdowne road and sang god save the queen two years ago"

the article itslef is to do with singing the anthem at Croke park, but if they sang it there then you can bet your bottom dollar they sang it at Lansdowne. Waht you also forget is staunch northern Irish see it as their national anthem so to not play it may well be insulting to some of their own. Are you sure that you arent getting confused with the Croke park kerfuffle Carlos?

BigEars · Post by **BigEars** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:34

Carlos-Wigan wrote:
J wrote:
Carlos-Wigan wrote: Its not been played everytime at all, one of the big gripes about England playing at Landsdowne road was the fact that they would only play the Irish republics natonal anthem and the awful Irelands call when playing England.

I remember the BBC commentary team pointing this out and my ears pricked up 'Oh OK' not thta it bothered me or anything, it just came across as strange.

Its not debateable, arguing between two points of view, its stating fact!

maybe in the 80s mate when I was a nipper and at the height of the sectarian troubles but its been played for as long as I can remember.

Dont start getting arsey fella, theres no need. Just cos you state it as FACT, does not make it so.
Whose getting arsey with you? no-one is getting arsey with you so just relax.

If they have played 'God save the queen' at Landsdowne Road then it has been a very recent inclusion. The times I have watched England vs Ireland they have never played it and when I heard the comment (which I took to be FACT) from the BBC commentary team about God save the queen not being played at the Landsdowne road would have been round the time of the millenium.

It's been played since I can remember(which admittedly is only the early 90's) and was played before the turn of the millennium .

You sure you didn't mishear what the BBC boys were saying .

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:36

Are there crossed wires here over God Save the Queen being played for the Irish team (as its N.Irelands anthem) and God save the queen being played for the English team?

Pre 1995 God save the queen was played for the Irish team along with the republics anthem, post'95 they adopted irelands call. When England play, God save the queen is ALWAYS played.

J · Post by J » 28 Aug 2007, 09:38

Rugby is the only major sport in Ireland in which the national team is drawn from both sides of the border. In fact, for all the talk about the propriety of playing "God Save the Queen" in Croke Park, several Irish players are Protestants from Northern Ireland who consider it their national anthem.

quote from the below.

http://www.boston.com/sports/articles/2 ... heir_tune/

and that could be it Wales!

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:38

J wrote:http://breakingnews.iol.ie/sport/story. ... 8x&t=rugby

sorry maybe i took your post the wrong way, no intonation, apologies I am calm was hoping you were too, which evidently you are.....

they were there and see quote "I was at lansdowne road and sang god save the queen two years ago"

the article itslef is to do with singing the anthem at Croke park, but if they sang it there then you can bet your bottom dollar they sang it at Lansdowne.

You know, I'm not an England rugby fan

I know next to fack all about it. All I know is that when England have played at Landsdowne road
they have not played God save the queen, now if they have played it regulary at Landsdowne Road prior to 2005 then I will take the comment back.

They play the Scots and Welsh national anthems (the game I watch)
and from what I have heard from the BBC and other people who know more about it than me, 'God save the queen' was never played at landsdowne road. Maybe some England rugby fan who follows the game can attest to it.

J · Post by J » 28 Aug 2007, 09:40

fornicate me carlos Im one, Im rugby mad, Ive been to Lansdowne and they play the fecking anthem.

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:42

Listen fellers, I'm ready to take my comment back if I'm wrong, you learn summat new everyday an all that but I swear around the 1999-2002 period the BBC commentary team commented on 'god the save the queen'
not bing played at Landsdowne road and voila! it was not played.

It could be me getting old though...

states · Post by **states** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:46

I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick here Carlos. 'God Save The Queen' has always been played before England's games at Lansdowne Road.

However, prior to 1995, it also used to be played as the Irish anthem, when the Irish played in Belfast. However, when Ireland played in the Republic, i.e. Lansdowne Road, it was not played as the Irish national anthem.

http://www.rugby.ie/news/story/?jp=KFCWMHCWCW

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 28 Aug 2007, 09:49

States - spot on!

Wales wrote:Are there crossed wires here over God Save the Queen being played for the Irish team (as its N.Irelands anthem) and God save the queen being played for the English team?

Pre 1995 God save the queen was played for the Irish team along with the republics anthem, post'95 they adopted irelands call. When England play, God save the queen is ALWAYS played.

el_grande_mauro_mina · Post by **el_grande_mauro_mina** » 28 Aug 2007, 10:00

I'm off to do some research or I'm going round the twist with old age, be back later chaps! 8)

Wales · Post by **Wales** » 28 Aug 2007, 10:21

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 28 Aug 2007, 19:57

guess i am just miserable and unpatriotic, but i'm not a big fan of the anthems at boxing fights.......being an individual sport i just don't see a fight as a battle of nations, having said that, it must be a very proud moment for a boxer.....but in the days of skyplus i just fastforward to that bit when Ian John Lewis says, 'I am the wefferwee....'

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 29 Aug 2007, 06:43

I'll admit to booing my bollox off when Kostya was entering the ring to the Aussie national anthem against Hatton, in fairness I quite like the Aussies as a nation, but I see my job as a fan is to make the venue as intimidating as possible for the opponent in the hope that it puts him off his game in some sort of way.

I would've been booing the US national anthem at Cardiff If I was there, but that would be to annoy the over-patriotic yanks than to put Manfredo off his game.

Boxing venues seem to have inherited a football type atmosphere and mentality for the BIG fights with the booing, singing and sometimes a brass band, probably due to the massive cross-over of fans.

BOOOOOO!!!

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 29 Aug 2007, 07:54

Manc_Red wrote:I hate booing but even in ireland youll get lunatics going mad if the British anthem go's up.....

Rugby fans in ireland will fully respect the British Anthem but say Footy or Boxing there will be booing left right and centre

Rugby fans as a whole put the majority of others sports fans to shame.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 29 Aug 2007, 08:47

Why did the English Rugby team change from 'Land of Hope and Glory' to ' God save our Queen'? it was only a couple of years ago they did that.

and if they are changing foir good , why not add the 4th verse when England are playing the Scots at Murrayfield Park,

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the Queen.

that might get things going

J · Post by J » 29 Aug 2007, 08:52

whne you say a few years ago................oh fornicate it i cant be arsed.

been god save the queen in my lifetime.

tjho i wish it was Land of hope and glory much better than the present dirge.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 29 Aug 2007, 08:58

I prefer Land of hope and glory, jerusalem and vow to thee my country, than god save the queen to be honest.

Maybe it's time for a change?

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 29 Aug 2007, 08:59

J wrote:whne you say a few years ago................oh eff it i cant be arsed.

been god save the queen in my lifetime.

tjho i wish it was Land of hope and glory much better than the present dirge.

opps sorry, was getting it mixed up with League and Union, it was Rugby League that used 'Land of Hope and Glory'