Cadet World Championships

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 31 Aug 2007, 14:30

AIBA has a World Championships page on their web site. The draw has been posted. See http://www.aiba.org (no period at end of sentence)

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 31 Aug 2007, 14:33

Thanks for the info Mel, but please edit your post to get rid of the period at the end of the website link.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 31 Aug 2007, 14:38

Sheesh - you'd think I was a newbie! Thanks, Dennis - fixed.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 31 Aug 2007, 14:40

No problem. I was able to find it easily since I know the address, but I thought others might not.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 03 Sep 2007, 22:42

Won 3 and lost one today. So 5 out of the 11 boxers who went are out of the tournament. Congrats to Frankie Gomez at 119 Lbs. (from my LBC -

), Eduardo Alicea at 70 kgs. and Louie Byrd (2nd time in Cadet Worlds) at 106 Lbs.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 04 Sep 2007, 00:08

Mel - I think you meant 119 pounds.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 04 Sep 2007, 09:18

Fixed.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 04 Sep 2007, 13:17

Tell me that there isn't such a thing as a home ring advantage. India has 4 of its 5 boxers in the quarter-finals. I don't think India usually does that well. Biased judging? Or are they being influenced by the crowd?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 04 Sep 2007, 15:51

Umm - considering the tournament is in Azerbaijan, I don't know how that would give India an advantage - certainly not "home town!"

US lost one and won two today.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 04 Sep 2007, 23:07

I made a mistake. I thought it was in India. Maybe India is the new hotbed of boxing.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 05 Sep 2007, 04:30

I think the Indians have drafted in some Cuban trainers over the past few years.

They were pretty impressive in the commonwealth games early last year.

the_boxer · Post by **the_boxer** » 05 Sep 2007, 23:21

I SEE THE ONLY GOLD MEDAL WAS WON BY MY BOY ISIAH THOMAS

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Sep 2007, 09:11

And you refer to "Isiah" because......?????

the_boxer · Post by **the_boxer** » 06 Sep 2007, 09:29

because thats 1 of my friends and i seen it was only 1 gold won and it was from him

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 06 Sep 2007, 09:44

Isiah won the gold medal at the 2005 Cadet Worlds. I believe he was the first U.S. boxer to do so. Luis Yanez and Dominic Wade both won silver medals that year.

This year we have two boxers in the semis Louis Byrd vs. India, and Frankie Gomez vs. Uzb.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 06 Sep 2007, 11:52

Zeddie Adams lost a relatively close bout to a tough Russian boxer, DMITRY KULAJENKO, by 14:8. Zeddie is very good and I wouldn't be surprised if he gives that boxer one of the toughest bouts he has in the tournament.

I'm very impressed by Louie Byrd and Frankie Gomez both stopping two boxers by RSC-O. That is amazing that we have two guys that can build up 15 point leads over quality opposition from the rest of the world. I hope they both win Gold!!!

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 08 Sep 2007, 11:00

Congratulations to So. Calif. Assn. boxer Frankie Gomez on his gold medal! He RSCOS the UZB boxer in the semis and beat the AZE boxer, 35-19, in the finals!

Louie Byrd lost to India, 28-16 and Aupiu Kavika lost to Russia, 10-8 in the semis.

Team Medal Standings:

1. Azerhbaijan with 2 gold, 2 silver, 3 bronze, total=7
2. Russia with 2 gold, 1 silver, 4 bronze, total= 7
3. Ukraine with 2 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze, total= 4
4. India with 2 gold, 1 silver, total=3
5. Uzbekistan with 1 gold, 2 silver, 2 bronze, total=5
6. Cuba with 1 gold, 2 silver, total=3
7. Kazakhstan with 1 gold, 3 bronze, total=4
8. US with 1 gold, 2 bronze, total=3

Looks like the "powerhouses" are still in Eastern Europe - with India on its way up?

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 10 Sep 2007, 14:43

OK, Mel. Is it coincidence that the #1 team is the host country? Yes, they have some good boxers, but I still believe that there is clearly a home ring advantage in amateur boxing. If it would have been held in Cuba, I'm sure their medal count would have been higher.

Way to go Frankie Gomez! Go team USA.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 10 Sep 2007, 22:32

Ah - so you are saying that the judges were (uhhh----errrr----ummm)...cheating? That's your implication. That's like saying that USA Boxing had picked who they wanted on the Olympic team before the Trials (and, of course, told the judges who to pick). Puleeeeze.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 11 Sep 2007, 05:08

Dennis wrote:OK, Mel. Is it coincidence that the #1 team is the host country? Yes, they have some good boxers, but I still believe that there is clearly a home ring advantage in amateur boxing. If it would have been held in Cuba, I'm sure their medal count would have been higher.

Way to go Frankie Gomez! Go team USA.

You must be looking forward to the Worlds in Chicago then Dennis!!

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 11 Sep 2007, 09:23

Yep - the U.S. boxers should definitely have a "home ring" advantage - unless the judges are being paid to not push the buttons (said Mel, very tongue-in-cheekly).

JMac · Post by **JMac** » 11 Sep 2007, 09:33

Actually, Azerbaijan has very good cadet and junior boxers. But there is an advantage for the home team when the home fans are loud and vocal as they are in Azerbaijan. The judges can hear when the crowd makes extra noise when the home eam boxer scores. The judges can also get an idea of who is winning when the home team boxer is competing. The judges want to be on the right (winning) side. I'll leave it at that.

As for Cuba, they only sent a few boxers. Azerbaijan had a full team. They are eating food they are used too, etc.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 11 Sep 2007, 15:37

As a judge, the roar of the crowd does not affect me or my concentration when counting punches. And counting punches is the only criteria for pushing the button - having nothing to do with "home town" or otherwise.

Puncher7 · Post by **Puncher7** » 11 Sep 2007, 15:54

boxmel wrote:As a judge, the roar of the crowd does not affect me or my concentration when counting punches. And counting punches is the only criteria for pushing the button - having nothing to do with "home town" or otherwise.

I'd be willing to bet that the crowd does subconsciously affect some judges even if the judges do not intend for it to. It's just natural

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 11 Sep 2007, 17:17

boxmel wrote:Ah - so you are saying that the judges were (uhhh----errrr----ummm)...cheating? That's your implication. That's like saying that USA Boxing had picked who they wanted on the Olympic team before the Trials (and, of course, told the judges who to pick). Puleeeeze.

Don't be naive Mel. Are you trying to say that judges don't get influenced by the crowd? It happens all the time. And yes, judges do have biases and preconceived notions that can and do affect the way they score a bout. Is it done consciously? Maybe not. Subconsciously? Probably.