Jr Welter (140) list

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 04 Sep 2007, 11:38

In an attempt to move away from the HWs how about a discussion and a peek at some 140 lb lists.

Here are the guys I think should be in the running for the greatest 140 fighter ever.

Here are a few names to consider

Mushy Callahan
Jack Berg
Tony Canzoneri
Tippy Larkin
Bruno Acari
Nicolino Locche
Duilio Loi
Antonio Cervantes
Wilfred Benitez
Aaron Pryor
Julio Cesar Chavez
Pernell Whittaker
Meldrick Taylor
Ksta Tszyu
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather

My standard answer to this question used to be Canzoneri because I considered him to be the greatest fighter to have claimed a title at the weight.

I'll try and put a top 10 together.

JC · Post by JC » 04 Sep 2007, 11:45

Didn't Barney Ross also claim the 140lbs title?

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 04 Sep 2007, 11:49

J-C wrote:Didn't Barney Ross also claim the 140lbs title?

Of course... He's a real contender for top spot.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 04 Sep 2007, 23:01

I don't think Whitaker, De La Hoya or Mayweather really qualify. Whitaker had one fight there, Oscar two, Mayweather three. Oscar had two nice wins there, but I don't think you can do any more than put him in the top 10 at 140, if that.

Anyway, its hard to say. I would go with either Ross, Benitez, Pryor or Chavez. Chavez is arguably the best ever in two weight classes, 130 and 140.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 05 Sep 2007, 00:20

..any discussion of jr. welters brings out the worst in me..or maybe the best, dependant on how you feel about a certain title holder in this class.

....so..instead of that topic let me use this space to ask WHY IN THE HELL IS THIS FORMAT BACK AGAIN!!!!IT WAS ON BEFORE AND DISAPPEARED AND LIFE WAS WORTHWHILE AND FILLED WITH BEAUTY ONCE MORE...NOW THE MESS HAS RETURNED!!!!! GET THE DAMN THING OFF!!!

thank you for your time...

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 05 Sep 2007, 04:34

Jaclem and Buzz,

Do you guys really think Aaron Pryor was that bad?

I almost get the feeling that you're not telling us everything that you know on this subject!

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 05 Sep 2007, 09:01

I thought I would take a stab at a Top 10 List of Jr Welterweights. This was very difficult to do because the division didn't even exist for a few decades and many fighters have just used it as stepping stone between lightweight and welterweight. Anyway I took into consideration how long a fighter was actually in the division.

1. Barney Ross
2. Tony Canzoneri
3. Aaron Pryor
4. Julio Cesar Chavez
5. Wilfred Benitez
6. Nicolino Locche
7. Antonio Cervantes
8. Duilio Loi
9. Kosta Tszyu
10. Jack Kid Berg

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 05 Sep 2007, 10:07

I think it's a decent list, Alp.

What is odd is that there have been a few fighters, even in modern times who just leapfrogged this division. Duran and Mosely didn't bother to pick up titles on their way up to 147.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 05 Sep 2007, 12:41

Yeah, the bigger money and the bigger fights are usually at Welterweight.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 05 Sep 2007, 13:15

...ezzard....i did not mention any name or names in my post, as i have retired from commenting on the fighter you have asked about.

while i cannnot speak for boxbuzz....he has enough trouble trying to speak for himself...if i had NOT retired as stated, the answer would be yes..

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 28 Jun 2010, 12:57

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 28 Jun 2010, 18:29

Locche has my vote.

Idisagree · Post by **Idisagree** » 28 Jun 2010, 19:43

1. Barney Ross
2. Henry Armstrong (Wins over Sammy Angott, Lew Jenkins, Pedro Montanez, Beau Jack, and Tippy Larpin while weighting between 136 and 140 deserves a rating in this weigh class)
3. Nicolino Locche
4. Julio C. Chavez
5. Wilfredo Benitez
6. Antonio Cervantes
7. Dulio Loi
8. Aaron Pryor
9. Tony Canzoneri (I rate him higher at 135)
10. Kosta Tszyu

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 28 Jun 2010, 20:30

Idisagree wrote:1. Barney Ross
2. Henry Armstrong (Wins over Sammy Angott, Lew Jenkins, Pedro Montanez, Beau Jack, and Tippy Larpin while weighting between 136 and 140 deserves a rating in this weigh class)
3. Nicolino Locche
4. Julio C. Chavez
5. Wilfredo Benitez
6. Antonio Cervantes
7. Dulio Loi
8. Aaron Pryor
9. Tony Canzoneri (I rate him higher at 135)
10. Kosta Tszyu

I like this list for several reasons. I agree that Locche should be rated over Loi. I agree that Cervantes should be rated over Pryor. I would LOVE to see a Loche vs Chavez fight, and I suspect Loche would do to Chavez what Whitaker did to him. I also am glad to see Whitaker not included here. I think I'd take Canzoneri out as well. I think of them both in another weight class.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 28 Jun 2010, 20:38

Chavez wouldn't touch Locche.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 28 Jun 2010, 20:42

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Chavez wouldn't touch Locche.

C'mon you don't think JCC would be beating Niccolino's Ribs into stewed prunes? Explain yourself sir.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 28 Jun 2010, 20:50

Which great defensive fighter did Chavez break down, & how close was that individual to being on Locche's level?

tanibanana · Post by **tanibanana** » 28 Jun 2010, 22:34

Julio Cesar Chavez Sr.
Barney Ross
Niccolino Locche
Aaron Pryor
Antonio Cervantes
Wilfred Benitez
Tony Canzoneri
Kostya Tszyu
Duilio Loi
Ricky Hatton

Jpreisser · Post by **Jpreisser** » 29 Jun 2010, 17:14

Nope... Kostya Tszyu is the best 140 pounder ever.............Willie Pep is second best.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 29 Jun 2010, 17:16

Jpreisser wrote:Nope... Kostya Tszyu is the best 140 pounder ever.............Willie Pep is second best.

Man, even our own TzyuForever would be embarrassed by that assertion. Tszyu is a legit top-10 all-timer for the division, but, "best ever," just about finishes your credibility on this subject permanently. Locche & Benitez would've pulled Tszyu apart for every moment of every round, Pryor would eat him up down the stretch, & I'm not going to describe what a bodypuncher of Chavez's calibre would do to a fighter with Tszyu's notoriously wide-elbowed stance, because children read this board, & the results would be too brutal for anything other than an R-rating.

Pep as #2 all-time at 140? Good going. It was always going to take a lot to eclipse the stupidity of your first point of contention, but you were upto the task

Jpreisser · Post by **Jpreisser** » 29 Jun 2010, 17:23

LOL! Tszyu was amazing shhhhhh! NO Pep probably weighed 140 pounds at some point in his life.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 29 Jun 2010, 17:27

Jpreisser wrote:LOL! Tszyu was amazing shhhhhh! NO Pep probably weighed 140 pounds at some point in his life.

Erik Morales = the best Heavyweight ever, then

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 29 Jun 2010, 17:46

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Which great defensive fighter did Chavez break down, & how close was that individual to being on Locche's level?

I second that assertion and question . . .Locche would clown Chavez.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 29 Jun 2010, 17:50

Notice it has found no answer. No voice, even.

Idisagree · Post by **Idisagree** » 29 Jun 2010, 18:00

dempseyfire wrote:
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Which great defensive fighter did Chavez break down, & how close was that individual to being on Locche's level?
I second that assertion and question . . .Locche would clown Chavez.

Head to head I pick Locche and Benitez to defeat Chavez and quite clear too.

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