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Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 06 Sep 2007, 09:18

Thats as long Haye Isn't too badly drained, he will beat Mormeck.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/se ... urov_sport

Mormeck looked troubled by Gurov and we know what Haye did to him. But It's the height and reach of Gurov that was giving him some success out boxing Mormeck.

If Lesser fighters like Bell and Gurov don't find It hard to land on Mormeck then I think Haye can win as long as the weight doesn;t affect him too much.

states · Post by **states** » 06 Sep 2007, 09:35

Yes, Mormeck has had problems in the past, but so too has Haye. The fact that he allowed himself to get backed up by the likes of Fragomeni and Johannesson worries me. Haye has a great chance here, but let's not lose sight of the fact that this a real step-up for the Hayemaker. I'm not sure O'Neill Bell can accurately be described as a 'lesser fighter' than Haye at this moment in time either.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 06 Sep 2007, 09:36

Max Molyneux wrote:Thats as long Haye Isn't too badly drained, he will beat Mormeck.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/se ... urov_sport

Mormeck looked troubled by Gurov and we know what Haye did to him. But It's the height and reach of Gurov that was giving him some success out boxing Mormeck.

If Lesser fighters like Bell and Gurov don't find It hard to land on Mormeck then I think Haye can win as long as the weight doesn;t affect him too much.

I agree about Bell being a lesser fighter. It amazes me he's got this far with his limitations.

states · Post by **states** » 06 Sep 2007, 09:38

True, but his achievements outweigh Haye's at this moment in time.

Greg Nicholas · Post by **Greg Nicholas** » 06 Sep 2007, 11:37

I don't even rate Mormeck that highly

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 06 Sep 2007, 13:04

states wrote:Yes, Mormeck has had problems in the past, but so too has Haye. The fact that he allowed himself to get backed up by the likes of Fragomeni and Johannesson worries me. Haye has a great chance here, but let's not lose sight of the fact that this a real step-up for the Hayemaker. I'm not sure O'Neill Bell can accurately be described as a 'lesser fighter' than Haye at this moment in time either.

Are Frag and Johannesson perhaps underrated as he was expected to stop them within 4?

Bell was lucky to get most decisions, he's achieved more than Haye but only because of luck and gift decisions.

True, but his achievements outweigh Haye's at this moment in time.

Tszyu's achievements outweighed Hattons too, achievements are overused at times, I think Haye's height and reach will beat Mormeck on points or TKO, Haye bangs harder than Gurov too.

states · Post by **states** » 06 Sep 2007, 13:22

How exactly was Bell 'Lucky to get most decisions'? He's only been to the cards three times, and he lost one of those! Admittedly, the Brown win was controversial, but I haven't seen the fight, so can't really comment.

Yes, Tszyu's achievements outweighed Hatton's. And hence nobody was calling him a lesser fighter than Hatton. I'm not saying Haye couldn't beat Bell, or indeed Mormeck. But I find that when ranking fighters, what they've done is a better guide than what they might do.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 06 Sep 2007, 13:24

Bell should have been DQ'd at least twice - Ezra Sellers and Kelvin Davis for instance - and really he lost to Brown.

Bell's had a couple of big fights but Haye can be a much better fighter. Trounce Mormeck, go up to heavy and win a title - that'd prove me right.

states · Post by **states** » 06 Sep 2007, 13:30

Indeed. But he actually has to do that first.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 06 Sep 2007, 13:32

states wrote:How exactly was Bell 'Lucky to get most decisions'? He's only been to the cards three times, and he lost one of those! Admittedly, the Brown win was controversial, but I haven't seen the fight, so can't really comment.

Yes, Tszyu's achievements outweighed Hatton's. And hence nobody was calling him a lesser fighter than Hatton. I'm not saying Haye couldn't beat Bell, or indeed Mormeck. But I find that when ranking fighters, what they've done is a better guide than what they might do.

Haye wouldn't of just tried to survive the last 5 rounds against Bell knowing he was ahead on the cards because of the WBC's open scoring between rounds.

He just decided to survive after 7 rounds because of the WBC, what If Bell knocked him the fornicate out again? He should of stopped Bell.

Maybe ESB's ballhugging Darnell Wilson posts have a point when they think he would KO Mormeck.

states · Post by **states** » 06 Sep 2007, 13:46

Max Molyneux wrote:
Haye wouldn't of just tried to survive the last 5 rounds against Bell knowing he was ahead on the cards because of the WBC's open scoring between rounds. .

How do you know that though? Haye's stamina has hardly been proven over the 12 round distance, has it? It's all hypothetical. Come November, Haye may well blast Mormeck out of there and become the top-dog at 200lb's. Or, equally, he may get the shit kicked out of him. I think far too much gets written about what Haye could possibly do. Let's wait and see what he actually does, and then discuss it.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 06 Sep 2007, 13:51

Haye's stamina has hardly been proven over the 12 round distance, has it?

Haye has enough stamina to make 80 women feint by way of flashing himself and to beat Mormeck at the same time.

Haye's pecks even made me feint when he posted on my myspace.

http://www.myspace.com/max_molyneux

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