Calzaghe - Hopkins would be a joke..

Deram · Post by **Deram** » 08 Sep 2007, 06:08

Max Molyneux wrote:Kessler has lost more than two rounds Deram.

Lost 4 to Mundine and only 1 to Andrade.

According to you or your cat?

According to the judges he lost 2 rounds (both to Mundine). He lost none to anyone elese - including Andrade.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 08 Sep 2007, 06:15

Max Molyneux wrote:Kessler has lost more than two rounds Deram.

Lost 4 to Mundine and only 1 to Andrade.

I gave Mundine 4 as well, and Andrade 2 or 3

The weird thing is that Joe fights so much better in an "A fight", so it's hard to judge exactly what he can do.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 08 Sep 2007, 06:18

Deram wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Kessler has lost more than two rounds Deram.

Lost 4 to Mundine and only 1 to Andrade.
According to you or your cat?

According to the judges he lost 2 rounds (both to Mundine). He lost none to anyone elese - including Andrade.

Is true - he aced Andrade on all three cards.

Scorecards for Mundine were
Hubert Earle 116-112, 4 rounds dropped
Henk Meijers 120-108, 0 rounds dropped
Takeshi Shimakawa 117-113, 3 rounds dropped, 1 drawn

Boxrec lists no scorecards for any Kessler fights from Siaca backwards

Deram · Post by **Deram** » 08 Sep 2007, 22:45

MIKEE wrote:
Deram wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Kessler has lost more than two rounds Deram.

Lost 4 to Mundine and only 1 to Andrade.
According to you or your cat?

According to the judges he lost 2 rounds (both to Mundine). He lost none to anyone elese - including Andrade.
Is true - he aced Andrade on all three cards.

Scorecards for Mundine were
Hubert Earle 116-112, 4 rounds dropped
Henk Meijers 120-108, 0 rounds dropped
Takeshi Shimakawa 117-113, 3 rounds dropped, 1 drawn

Boxrec lists no scorecards for any Kessler fights from Siaca backwards

Exactly. Fact is, Kessler has NEVER lost a round on all three judges scorecards.

He has, however, lost two rounds on two judges scorecards. Both to Mundine in Sydney.

jangeorg · Post by **jangeorg** » 09 Sep 2007, 04:10

MIKEE wrote:
Deram wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Kessler has lost more than two rounds Deram.

Lost 4 to Mundine and only 1 to Andrade.
According to you or your cat?

According to the judges he lost 2 rounds (both to Mundine). He lost none to anyone elese - including Andrade.
Is true - he aced Andrade on all three cards.

Scorecards for Mundine were
Hubert Earle 116-112, 4 rounds dropped
Henk Meijers 120-108, 0 rounds dropped
Takeshi Shimakawa 117-113, 3 rounds dropped, 1 drawn

Boxrec lists no scorecards for any Kessler fights from Siaca backwards

And the scorecards from The Andrade fight
Tom Miller 120-108
Tom Kaczmarek 120-108
John Keane 120-108

So how can Kessler lose one round to Andrade??

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 09 Sep 2007, 06:06

Because I felt he had lost a couple of rds!

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 09 Sep 2007, 06:42

Deram wrote:
MIKEE wrote:
Deram wrote: According to you or your cat?

According to the judges he lost 2 rounds (both to Mundine). He lost none to anyone elese - including Andrade.
Is true - he aced Andrade on all three cards.

Scorecards for Mundine were
Hubert Earle 116-112, 4 rounds dropped
Henk Meijers 120-108, 0 rounds dropped
Takeshi Shimakawa 117-113, 3 rounds dropped, 1 drawn

Boxrec lists no scorecards for any Kessler fights from Siaca backwards
Exactly. Fact is, Kessler has NEVER lost a round on all three judges scorecards.

He has, however, lost two rounds on two judges scorecards. Both to Mundine in Sydney.

You changed your story a bit there.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 09 Sep 2007, 07:00

Big Pussy wrote:
boxingchat wrote:Sorry, remind me when did DelaHoya, Mayweather, Hopkins etc etc last fight in the UK or even Europe?
Sorry but that's a flawed argument. European boxers need to go to the boxing capital to justify their claims. Americans don't need to travel.

Harris came here for Witters title and Lacy came for Joes - If you want titles you have to travel even if you are American.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 09 Sep 2007, 07:10

Calzaghe begged Hopkins to fight him years ago now, any venue, but Hopkins told him to wait in line - Its still a valid fight both have aged but both have plenty left - Anyway we shouldnt and Joe wont be looking that far ahead because he has to get past Kessler.

Deram · Post by **Deram** » 10 Sep 2007, 00:36

Goz wrote:
Deram wrote:
MIKEE wrote: Is true - he aced Andrade on all three cards.

Scorecards for Mundine were
Hubert Earle 116-112, 4 rounds dropped
Henk Meijers 120-108, 0 rounds dropped
Takeshi Shimakawa 117-113, 3 rounds dropped, 1 drawn

Boxrec lists no scorecards for any Kessler fights from Siaca backwards
Exactly. Fact is, Kessler has NEVER lost a round on all three judges scorecards.

He has, however, lost two rounds on two judges scorecards. Both to Mundine in Sydney.
You changed your story a bit there.

In what way?

I said that Kessler has never lost more than two rounds (both to Mundine) - and that is fact.

...you do know that you don't loose a fight or a round if 2 out of 3 judges think you win, right?

As such Kessler has lost at max. 2 rounds in his entire carreer. I say max. because he has never lost a single round clearly. Never has all three judges had him losing a single round. Further, against Andrade he never lost a single round on a single judge's card.

Nothing changed, just elaborated.

Razor · Post by **Razor** » 10 Sep 2007, 08:12

Hahaha

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 10 Sep 2007, 15:01

Deram wrote:
Goz wrote:
Deram wrote: Exactly. Fact is, Kessler has NEVER lost a round on all three judges scorecards.

He has, however, lost two rounds on two judges scorecards. Both to Mundine in Sydney.
You changed your story a bit there.
In what way?

I said that Kessler has never lost more than two rounds (both to Mundine) - and that is fact.

...you do know that you don't loose a fight or a round if 2 out of 3 judges think you win, right?

As such Kessler has lost at max. 2 rounds in his entire carreer. I say max. because he has never lost a single round clearly. Never has all three judges had him losing a single round. Further, against Andrade he never lost a single round on a single judge's card.

Nothing changed, just elaborated.

It's only a fact to you.

One official scorecard had him losing 4 rounds against a timid Mundine.

He will lose at least 8 against a god like Calzaghe.

Deram · Post by **Deram** » 15 Sep 2007, 03:16

Max Molyneux wrote:
Deram wrote:
Goz wrote: You changed your story a bit there.
In what way?

I said that Kessler has never lost more than two rounds (both to Mundine) - and that is fact.

...you do know that you don't loose a fight or a round if 2 out of 3 judges think you win, right?

As such Kessler has lost at max. 2 rounds in his entire carreer. I say max. because he has never lost a single round clearly. Never has all three judges had him losing a single round. Further, against Andrade he never lost a single round on a single judge's card.

Nothing changed, just elaborated.
It's only a fact to you.

One official scorecard had him losing 4 rounds against a timid Mundine.

He will lose at least 8 against a god like Calzaghe.

No, Max. I am sorry to inform you that it is fact to everyone. Sorry, you don't like that fact, but that is a whole other thing.

You do know that you do not lose a round on the judges scorecards if 2 judges think you won and one think you lost, right?

There has only ever been two incidents in Kessler's carreer where the majority of judges had him losing a round. Both rounds against Mundine.

jangeorg · Post by **jangeorg** » 17 Sep 2007, 22:14

Max Molyneux wrote:When Kessler throws a jab, Calzaghe will disappear In front of him and reappear behind him and then Mikkel will know how Lacy felt.

Lacy,MY ARSE

The man who's lights were put out by Brian Magee as an amateur in the late 90's.

The man who was trailing behind on points and being soundly-outboxed by Syd Vanderpool until he found a lucky punch to stop him.
Took the full 12 by Richard 'the Alien' Grant(whom Andrade KO in round 1)
Lacy ain't so great