anyone check out the post fight interview with Harris, right at the end of the Sky show? He looked really bad, totally bemused and disorientated. Kind of like Corley was last year. It was like neither guy knew what had happened to them. Harris basically said he didn't know what happened.
When you consider Corley's and Harris' experience, you have to say that's great work from Witter to have ppl sitting in the dressing room looking so baffled.
I think we may have underrated Witter a bit for being ungainly. He clearly knows how to get into an opponent's head & take their confidence.
Harris post fight
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Phenomenal-Nutrition
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I thought he looked pretty concussed in the interview, he took a pretty bad beating in there.
I don't blame him for balling his eyes out, in 2005 he was near a $1m+ fight without having made any money previously. His management were taking the majority of his purse and if he'd have fought Hatton for $750k he would have actually only received around $50k from his management by all acounts.
This was his last big shot and now hes in no mans land and will probably never get a big payday from the sport.
I don't blame him for balling his eyes out, in 2005 he was near a $1m+ fight without having made any money previously. His management were taking the majority of his purse and if he'd have fought Hatton for $750k he would have actually only received around $50k from his management by all acounts.
This was his last big shot and now hes in no mans land and will probably never get a big payday from the sport.
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DIRT SUGAR
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Always find that kind of interview a bit distasteful but it also deepens my appreciation for fighters and what they go through.
I mean, a tennis/football player loses a game and they're gutted but know next time out they can put it right.
A fighter loses like Harris did and chances are he'll earn chump change in his next fight, or possibly never be the same force again.
Tough, tough game the hurt business.
I wish Vivian Harris all the best and hope he can come back from that.
Personally I thought he looked tight at the weight and is very tall for a 10stoner. Maybe he would be better off trying the waters at 147. He never really got over the effects of that fourth round and wasn't really at the races at all.
Big ask to come back from a beating like that though.
Also think it's time Witter got some credit. He's always had talent, even if he is unconventional and sometimes I just wish Ingle fighters would mix a bit of orthodox defence (you know, hands up somewhere near there chin when they're unloading bombs in the danger area).
He's only lost once and against a Zab Judah still very much on the rise, at short notice. And remember, very early on in his career he was making good fighters like Jan Bergman look ordinary.
He's a tough night's work for any top light-welter for sure and deserves a big fight now. No question.
I mean, a tennis/football player loses a game and they're gutted but know next time out they can put it right.
A fighter loses like Harris did and chances are he'll earn chump change in his next fight, or possibly never be the same force again.
Tough, tough game the hurt business.
I wish Vivian Harris all the best and hope he can come back from that.
Personally I thought he looked tight at the weight and is very tall for a 10stoner. Maybe he would be better off trying the waters at 147. He never really got over the effects of that fourth round and wasn't really at the races at all.
Big ask to come back from a beating like that though.
Also think it's time Witter got some credit. He's always had talent, even if he is unconventional and sometimes I just wish Ingle fighters would mix a bit of orthodox defence (you know, hands up somewhere near there chin when they're unloading bombs in the danger area).
He's only lost once and against a Zab Judah still very much on the rise, at short notice. And remember, very early on in his career he was making good fighters like Jan Bergman look ordinary.
He's a tough night's work for any top light-welter for sure and deserves a big fight now. No question.
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DIRT SUGAR
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Absolutely. Felt very sorry for Harris, who from what I've read and seen, is a decent sort.
Like I said, boxing's a tough game and I've seen how devastating a loss is to a fighter. I only had a crappy amateur career but at 35, every loss I had still annoys me when I think about it. God knows how it must be when you're ability to earn and quality of life depends on how well you fight. What a massive pressure. I know it's a choice a selective few make or are good enough to pursue, but I always find it a humbling experience watching a fighter lose.
The writer George Plimpton said it best once when talking about watching a heavyweight champion lose. He says they go from being a behemoth to looking 'almost small' the very moment they lose.
Like I said, boxing's a tough game and I've seen how devastating a loss is to a fighter. I only had a crappy amateur career but at 35, every loss I had still annoys me when I think about it. God knows how it must be when you're ability to earn and quality of life depends on how well you fight. What a massive pressure. I know it's a choice a selective few make or are good enough to pursue, but I always find it a humbling experience watching a fighter lose.
The writer George Plimpton said it best once when talking about watching a heavyweight champion lose. He says they go from being a behemoth to looking 'almost small' the very moment they lose.
I felt that with both guys there was a look of utter befuddlement. IMO Corley reverted to the robbery cliche - after losing 10 rds of my card - because he had nothing else to cling on to. Things happened in the fight that he didn't think could happen.Max Molyneux wrote:Harris was just gutted, he said Witter was a good fighter and gave credit.
Corley was just bitter and used the home town decision excuse saying he would of won If It was America.
Same with Harris. I was a bit of a shock to see Witter beat him to the jab, crack him with lead left hooks etc. Must be very bad to get badly bemused and badly bashed up in a fight. I doubt he'll ever be the same again, even if he moves up a weight.
Corley lost his next fight after Witter and I think it's because he'd become a mentally beaten man.
I thought Harris was a bit concussed.
I think Corley is the type of fighter to never say he was beaten fair and square. He is a moaner. He has said that he was shafted vs Judah and prematurely stopped vs Cotto.
He uses any excuse under the sun... so it was "home town decision" vs Witter. The only time he had very little excuse was vs Mayweather as both are American and the win was decisive (not saying Witter's wasn't). What does Corley do... Hardly talk about the fight.
Seems to be the type of fighter to never admit "yep, he was the better man tonight".
Perhaps I am wrong, but I have never heard him say it.
I thought they were very different interviews - Corley is like a spoilt brat, Harris was concussed.
I think Corley is the type of fighter to never say he was beaten fair and square. He is a moaner. He has said that he was shafted vs Judah and prematurely stopped vs Cotto.
He uses any excuse under the sun... so it was "home town decision" vs Witter. The only time he had very little excuse was vs Mayweather as both are American and the win was decisive (not saying Witter's wasn't). What does Corley do... Hardly talk about the fight.
Seems to be the type of fighter to never admit "yep, he was the better man tonight".
Perhaps I am wrong, but I have never heard him say it.
I thought they were very different interviews - Corley is like a spoilt brat, Harris was concussed.
i echo the sympathies offered to harris. yes it is a tough game.
plimpton was a good writer and a nice man, i miss him very much.
only hatton is capable of beating witter at 140 right now. in my view ricky takes full advantage of juniors twin habits of taking mid contest breathers and dangling his chin like the preverbial carrot and wins before round ten is over.
but when witter is good, he's very, very good.
plimpton was a good writer and a nice man, i miss him very much.
only hatton is capable of beating witter at 140 right now. in my view ricky takes full advantage of juniors twin habits of taking mid contest breathers and dangling his chin like the preverbial carrot and wins before round ten is over.
but when witter is good, he's very, very good.
Why is it you never beat anyone at their best ?
If you do there is allways something better or you had an advantage of some kind.
Witter was good but you are allways reluctant.
Same old story from the U.K.
You never see a Margarito v Williams fight ever take place there.
Well not since Nigel Benn.
What is it with you ?
You wait untill they have been non active.
You wait untill they have been beaten previously.
You fight them when they have little experience.
When Honeyghan slapped Don Curry and Lewis beat Holyfield North America embraced these guys.
Step it up would you.
Witter get's respect.
But it isn't no Honeyghan.
If you do there is allways something better or you had an advantage of some kind.
Witter was good but you are allways reluctant.
Same old story from the U.K.
You never see a Margarito v Williams fight ever take place there.
Well not since Nigel Benn.
What is it with you ?
You wait untill they have been non active.
You wait untill they have been beaten previously.
You fight them when they have little experience.
When Honeyghan slapped Don Curry and Lewis beat Holyfield North America embraced these guys.
Step it up would you.
Witter get's respect.
But it isn't no Honeyghan.
this was a mandatory challenger, you dumb piece of shit. so you don't know shit about any Brit since Nigel Benn, & can offer nothing productive. So why not just fvck off?Evander wrote:Why is it you never beat anyone at their best ?
If you do there is allways something better or you had an advantage of some kind.
Witter was good but you are allways reluctant.
Same old story from the U.K.
You never see a Margarito v Williams fight ever take place there.
Well not since Nigel Benn.
What is it with you ?
You wait untill they have been non active.
You wait untill they have been beaten previously.
You fight them when they have little experience.
When Honeyghan slapped Don Curry and Lewis beat Holyfield North America embraced these guys.
Step it up would you.
Witter get's respect.
But it isn't no Honeyghan.
It's Witter whose talent has been stifled and made to wait for big fights till he was past his best.
You can't even spell "gets", you retard.
British boxing is doing brilliantly well. You don't want it to do well. So go and brood over it oon the current scene and carry on your dumb theories.
while I'm at it, Margarito-Williams is the most overrated fight of the year after the "epic" (LOL) Cotto-Judah. Judah won 3 rds because Cotto is slow as treacle and has a shitty defense.
Williams got too much credit for slapping and holding Margarito in an unsightly contest.
British boxing's doing just fine and moaners like you can't change anything. This year we've had superb performances by Hatton (KO4 Castillo), Maccarinelli (outclassed Braithwaite), Rees (W12 M'Baye), Witter (KO7 Harris).
British fighters are involved in two of biggest fights of this year. Hatton-Mayweather and Calzaghe-Kessler. Calzaghe-Kessler will piss on your Margarito-Williams, and Mayweather has already found an outrageous excuse for losing, i.e. going on that shitty dancing program.
I'm enjoying watching other countries like Japan, Germany & Canada. In particular, Canada are doing damn well in the world title hunt. But they're not doing as well as the UK. Canada import all their talent. If we imported talent AS WELL AS developing homegrown talent, we'd have twice as many world champs. We've already got Calzaghe, Hatton, Witter, Woods, Rees, Maccarinelli. If imports got a good deal over here, we'd have Asiku, Olusegun, Munyai, the Martinezes (Kiko and Sergio), Romanov VERY CLOSE to holding titles in our country.
That'd give you an awful lot of bitching to do, Evan Fields.
Williams got too much credit for slapping and holding Margarito in an unsightly contest.
British boxing's doing just fine and moaners like you can't change anything. This year we've had superb performances by Hatton (KO4 Castillo), Maccarinelli (outclassed Braithwaite), Rees (W12 M'Baye), Witter (KO7 Harris).
British fighters are involved in two of biggest fights of this year. Hatton-Mayweather and Calzaghe-Kessler. Calzaghe-Kessler will piss on your Margarito-Williams, and Mayweather has already found an outrageous excuse for losing, i.e. going on that shitty dancing program.
I'm enjoying watching other countries like Japan, Germany & Canada. In particular, Canada are doing damn well in the world title hunt. But they're not doing as well as the UK. Canada import all their talent. If we imported talent AS WELL AS developing homegrown talent, we'd have twice as many world champs. We've already got Calzaghe, Hatton, Witter, Woods, Rees, Maccarinelli. If imports got a good deal over here, we'd have Asiku, Olusegun, Munyai, the Martinezes (Kiko and Sergio), Romanov VERY CLOSE to holding titles in our country.
That'd give you an awful lot of bitching to do, Evan Fields.
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dr_devious
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Autobarn wrote:while I'm at it, Margarito-Williams is the most overrated fight of the year after the "epic" (LOL) Cotto-Judah. Judah won 3 rds because Cotto is slow as treacle and has a shitty defense.
Williams got too much credit for slapping and holding Margarito in an unsightly contest.
British boxing's doing just fine and moaners like you can't change anything. This year we've had superb performances by Hatton (KO4 Castillo), Maccarinelli (outclassed Braithwaite), Rees (W12 M'Baye), Witter (KO7 Harris).
British fighters are involved in two of biggest fights of this year. Hatton-Mayweather and Calzaghe-Kessler. Calzaghe-Kessler will piss on your Margarito-Williams, and Mayweather has already found an outrageous excuse for losing, i.e. going on that shitty dancing program.
I'm enjoying watching other countries like Japan, Germany & Canada. In particular, Canada are doing damn well in the world title hunt. But they're not doing as well as the UK. Canada import all their talent. If we imported talent AS WELL AS developing homegrown talent, we'd have twice as many world champs. We've already got Calzaghe, Hatton, Witter, Woods, Rees, Maccarinelli. If imports got a good deal over here, we'd have Asiku, Olusegun, Munyai, the Martinezes (Kiko and Sergio), Romanov VERY CLOSE to holding titles in our country.
That'd give you an awful lot of bitching to do, Evan Fields.
And Haye-Mormeck, that will be a barnstormer too
i dont think harris was concussed nor do i think he was weight drained, he is a consummate professional and does not have too many problems with weight, yes he is a tall fella but he operates with very very thin legs (like howard eastman and keith holmes)
i just think harris was totally bemused and very disappointed, because witter ended up being a lot better and quicker than harris thought he was !!
i just think harris was totally bemused and very disappointed, because witter ended up being a lot better and quicker than harris thought he was !!
Seconded.Autobarn wrote:this was a mandatory challenger, you dumb piece of shit. so you don't know shit about any Brit since Nigel Benn, & can offer nothing productive. So why not just fvck off?Evander wrote:Why is it you never beat anyone at their best ?
If you do there is allways something better or you had an advantage of some kind.
Witter was good but you are allways reluctant.
Same old story from the U.K.
You never see a Margarito v Williams fight ever take place there.
Well not since Nigel Benn.
What is it with you ?
You wait untill they have been non active.
You wait untill they have been beaten previously.
You fight them when they have little experience.
When Honeyghan slapped Don Curry and Lewis beat Holyfield North America embraced these guys.
Step it up would you.
Witter get's respect.
But it isn't no Honeyghan.
It's Witter whose talent has been stifled and made to wait for big fights till he was past his best.
You can't even spell "gets", you retard.
British boxing is doing brilliantly well. You don't want it to do well. So go and brood over it oon the current scene and carry on your dumb theories.
