The Biggest Mismatches

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 06 Sep 2007, 20:43

Chatchai Sasakul vs Lito Sisnorio
58-3 (37) 10-5-2 (3)

Result: KO 4th win for Sasakul, Sisnorio died later

What's probably even more atrocious is how before fighting Sasakul, Sisnorio had fought WBC flyweight champion Pongsaklek Wonjongkam!

Sisnorio before the Saskul fight lost five of his last six bouts.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 07 Sep 2007, 06:21

I'm under the belief that anyone stands a chance, and Sisnorio probably fought the greatest two rounds of his career against that man. If Spinks at 7-0-0 could pull off the upset on Ali, it does show that fighters, no matter the record, stands a chance of some sort; take how Pete Rademacher went 6 rounds with a prime Floyd Patterson, yet the 'established' Tom McNeeley was floored 11 times in 3 rounds.

But, I believe the match happened under a Thailand commission and despite having 5 losses in his last 6 fights, it was permitted. I imagine it's alot like the Native American 'commissions' where there isn't the authority of the more established offices, just a couple notches below that.

From what I understand the commission said their apologies, but then again, that's nothing new either, as its an occurence that seems to happen quite often over there.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 07 Sep 2007, 19:40

Julio Cesar Chavez had a lot of mismatches in his prime.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 07 Sep 2007, 21:18

Some fights were not billed as mismatches but turned out that way such as Norton and Bobick, Tyson versis Spinks, or Joe Louis Max Schmelling II. On paper they looked Okay but didn't quite turn out that way. Joe Bugner Richard Dunn turned out to be a mismatch. I was kind of surprised about that but Dunn was prone to being stopped.

MEISINGER · Post by **MEISINGER** » 07 Sep 2007, 21:42

HomicideHenry wrote:I'm under the belief that anyone stands a chance, and Sisnorio probably fought the greatest two rounds of his career against that man. If Spinks at 7-0-0 could pull off the upset on Ali, it does show that fighters, no matter the record, stands a chance of some sort; take how Pete Rademacher went 6 rounds with a prime Floyd Patterson, yet the 'established' Tom McNeeley was floored 11 times in 3 rounds.

But, I believe the match happened under a Thailand commission and despite having 5 losses in his last 6 fights, it was permitted. I imagine it's alot like the Native American 'commissions' where there isn't the authority of the more established offices, just a couple notches below that.

From what I understand the commission said their apologies, but then again, that's nothing new either, as its an occurence that seems to happen quite often over there.

sorry but leon spinks was 7-0-1 when he faced ali.he had a draw with
scott ledoux the october before the ali fight

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 07 Sep 2007, 23:49

I always thought the Maurice Hope-Mike Baker fight was a gross mismatch, considering I never thought Baker was anything more than a clubfighter/journeyman but somehow magically appeared #7 in the world.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 08 Sep 2007, 00:19

Iono, I think in some respects the RING belt is far more genuine than the WBA/IBF/WBC/WBO alphabet titles; least then there is but only one recognized champion, no matter how many divisions, the way it should be.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 08 Sep 2007, 00:38

mind you, i said in SOME respects...but then again, I dont have much respect for any of the organizations of the sport like the IBF/WBC/WBA/WBO, too much politics and in my opinion hurt the sport in more ways than they would have originally thought.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 08 Sep 2007, 00:53

Yeah, but least RING magazine has ONE recognized champion for each division, rather than the four the alphabet gang wanna present to the general public. All RING magazine states is that the #1 and #2, or in some cases the #1 and #3 or #2 and #3, men in their rankings face off to determine a champion.

As far as the HW debacle is concerned, I think they're right in chosing Wladimir Klitschko as the RING champ, considering how the others don't so much stick out or fought the men he has...though tbh, I think Klitschko is soon to be set up for a fall, he'll lose his title when he faces the right man.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 08 Sep 2007, 08:42

Decagon wrote:
kick asner wrote:Some fights were not billed as mismatches but turned out that way such as Norton and Bobick, Tyson versis Spinks, or Joe Louis Max Schmelling II. On paper they looked Okay but didn't quite turn out that way. Joe Bugner Richard Dunn turned out to be a mismatch. I was kind of surprised about that but Dunn was prone to being stopped.
We're talking about real mismatches, not unexpected slaughters. Norton-Shavers wasn't a mismatch, but it ended in the first round.

Your not setting the criteria here. You act like a person needs to check with you or something before they post. Okay, I better check with Decagon and make sure I post the way he thinks you are supposed to. If that were the case as narrow minded as you are the only thing anyone would be discussing is steroids while you pronounce yourself the authority on the subject.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 08 Sep 2007, 08:44

kick asner wrote:
Decagon wrote:
kick asner wrote:Some fights were not billed as mismatches but turned out that way such as Norton and Bobick, Tyson versis Spinks, or Joe Louis Max Schmelling II. On paper they looked Okay but didn't quite turn out that way. Joe Bugner Richard Dunn turned out to be a mismatch. I was kind of surprised about that but Dunn was prone to being stopped.
We're talking about real mismatches, not unexpected slaughters. Norton-Shavers wasn't a mismatch, but it ended in the first round.
Your not setting the criteria here. You act like a person needs to check with you or something before they post.

So what else is new?

theone · Post by **theone** » 08 Sep 2007, 12:00

Julio Cesar Chavez had a lot of mismatches in his prime.

It wasn't because his opposition was bad... it was because he was so damn great.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 08 Sep 2007, 12:04

Joe Frazier KO1 Dave Zyglewicz for the 'world' Heavyweight Title.

How did Ziggy get a shot at Smokin' Joe? was he even ranked?

theone · Post by **theone** » 08 Sep 2007, 12:21

How did Ziggy get a shot at Smokin' Joe? was he even ranked?

No he wasn't. Joe's fight before that was against the tough Bonavena. The fight after was against Jerry Quarry. I guess he deserved that gimme.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 08 Sep 2007, 12:26

theone wrote:
How did Ziggy get a shot at Smokin' Joe? was he even ranked?
No he wasn't. Joe's fight before that was against the tough Bonavena. The fight after was against Jerry Quarry. I guess he deserved that gimme.

I've read reports that Ziggy looked terrified waiting for the bell to ring that night. Quite understandable really with a snorting, grunting peak Joe Frazier in the other corner waiting to left hook your teeth into the fourth row.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 08 Sep 2007, 13:05

Decagon wrote:
kick asner wrote:Your not setting the criteria here. You act like a person needs to check with you or something before they post. Okay, I better check with Decagon and make sure I post the way he thinks you are supposed to. If that were the case as narrow minded as you are the only thing anyone would be discussing is steroids while you pronounce yourself the authority on the subject.
A real mismatch is when one fighter doesn't belong in the ring with another, like when 270-pound Primo Carnera took on French Light Heavyweight Champion Moise Bouquillon, or Oscar de la Hoya taking on Patrick Charpentier, or Felix Trinidad against the balding Hacine Cherifi. See how easy it is? Just pick French guys.

Okay then Tysons first twenty or so fights. Are you happy?

TamTam · Post by **TamTam** » 09 Sep 2007, 07:06

Friday Night Fights in Australia. Pick any Main Event fighter, matched with a Thai. You'll find your mismatch.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 09 Sep 2007, 07:25

Foreman vs Jose King Roman.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 09 Sep 2007, 14:43

3 gross mismatches on a big allegedly card in Cardiff earlier this year: -
Calzaghe-Manfredo
Macarinelli-Gunn
Khan-Bull
Fortunately nobody got hurt

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 09 Sep 2007, 15:46

Kahn is one of those guys that I don't understand all the fuss over tbh. He has the ability and skill, yes, to possibly become something, but I certainly don't get why the British cry and scream over him when he beats guys who virtually have no chance of winning. It's pretty much a given that he'll win, so why cheer and hype him up to be the second coming? When he beats a solid opponent, that's when you cheer and start to speculate.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 09 Sep 2007, 16:01

Khan has got ability, and lots of speed and power. He got put down and looked bad last time against Willie Limond, who is a good British level fighter but is smaller and lacks power. The jury is very much out on Khan, especially about his defence and ability to take a shot.
As for why hes unpopular, its because people over here are sick of seeing him flatten no-hopers like Bull. Most of his opponents have been blown up jr lightweights, fighting a big, powerful LW/JW in Khan. Also, he makes statements about other British fighters, especially John Murray, which he and his promotor have no intention of backing up. Lastly, hes promoted by "Allegedly allegedly", who is and has been the biggest promotor in Britain for the last 15 years or more, but is pretty unpopular with fans over here.
If youre wondering about the "Allegedly" prefix, he threatened to sue boxrec, allegedly, because some posters were dissing him on the British board, allegedly.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 09 Sep 2007, 16:11

I honestly could care less about alleged crooked promoters and managers, as they are more common place in the sport than there is pay per view buys and punch rates. Kahn has what it takes, but then again, he is untested, greatly untested...his next opponent, from what I understand, failed to put away a man who had over 60 losses.

All that does for boxing is sell the public short, feeding them a bunch of cock and bull, and expecting them to believe that Kahn is the next Ray Leonard or Floyd Mayweather (I think Barry McGuigan has lost his mind, or is on the pay roll). The truth is, if Kahn was thrown in against a top 30 guy, let alone a champion, he would get knocked out, and the lustre will run out and the novelty be worn to the nub.

Kahn, in alot of respects, is alot like "Ireland's" John Duddy. Duddy fought tooth and nail against Yory Boy Campas, a washed up 100+ fight veteran, yet had his own PPV special and being touted as being not only a contender but a future champion...Kahn is just fighting tooth and nail with guys like Willie Limond.

allegedly either cash in quick on his cash cow, or else his man will be exposed for what he truly is.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 09 Sep 2007, 16:27

In a nutshell, Khan isnt delivering on all the hype that surrounds him, and that doesnt go down well over here.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 09 Sep 2007, 16:32

I don't blame the British fans for it either. There's enough bollox in the sport as it is, and it's not just Britain, the world actually needs something or someone who is real and legit. Sadly, I don't believe the sport has ever had that.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 09 Sep 2007, 23:22

theone wrote:
Julio Cesar Chavez had a lot of mismatches in his prime.
It wasn't because his opposition was bad... it was because he was so damn great.

fighting guys with names like Jerry Lewis won't help. Like Greg Haugen said:" Tijuana cab drivers"

any way though, great fighter with a lot of mismatches in between.