We might have Witter-Harris 2

black panther · Post by **black panther** » 11 Sep 2007, 08:43

Whats the source of this interview? Very man sportmanship from Harris - he got beaten fair and square but from Witters point of view if their is a rematch in USA he'll get some good exposure knocking out harris again!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Sep 2007, 08:55

fatton wrote:Gave up reading that about 23 excuses (and 2 lines) in. Not much of a Witter fan but he did a real number on Harris and he should be man enough to stand up and admit it instead of that bitching rant.

Anyway what did he expect fighting the Witter on a Hennessy promotion. I know it's not a direct comparison but if Man Utd were going to Galatasary they wouldn't leave it to Galatasary to ensure that their accomadation, training facilities were exactly as they like it. They;d sort it out themselves. Harris should have done the same.

Gary Shaw sitting ringside could have earned his percentage by sorting that out for him. Whatever about finding Harris a gym you can bet his fat arse Shaw didn't go hungry during his stint.

Shaw's been over here before and knows what he's doing. Wasn't he with Rico Hoye in ROTHERHAM ffs, 2 years ago?

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 11 Sep 2007, 08:58

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Sorry, but Harris is a wanker, what a load of old toss. Making accusations about Witter being injected etc, laughable nonsense. Illegal hand wraps, injections, what next, he had kryptonite in his gloves?

I doubt that the governing body will intervene, Harris was getting the hell beaten out of him, and there's little in it for them.

I hope they do fight again, so Witter can batter the shite out of the big mouthed prick.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Sep 2007, 09:11

Harris should be thrown to the wolves. In fact, let Witter savage him again & have done with this cynical little man.

thespy · Post by **thespy** » 11 Sep 2007, 09:21

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:his corner jumped into the ring before I got counted out. That's a disqualification right there. His corner isn't supposed to jump into the ring until the referee calls off the fight."

http://www.BS.com/media/showph ... hoto/18482

He has a good point.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 11 Sep 2007, 09:25

does anybody else think harris looked shot?

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 11 Sep 2007, 09:27

Riddick Blowe wrote:does anybody else think harris looked shot?

Most boxers look shot against Witter.

big lennox · Post by **big lennox** » 11 Sep 2007, 10:26

I think Harris needs a trip to the looney bin! He got dusted off plain and simple.

adamiw · Post by **adamiw** » 11 Sep 2007, 10:30

Riddick Blowe wrote:does anybody else think harris looked shot?

yeah they shot him just before the fight too....surprised he didn't mention that bit

Floyd · Post by **Floyd** » 11 Sep 2007, 11:08

This is the kind of behavior that doesn't help boxing. You lost Harris. Plain and simple. Take it like a man. To many sportsmen nowadays make excuses. Rather then just say I lost.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 11 Sep 2007, 11:10

Harris 2 wouldn't be the worst idea ever - providing it gives Witter better coverage than Harris 1 did. At least the fight was entertaining and the performance good.

If Witter could repeat the performance in a similar fight on US TV - then it would only do his profile good.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 11 Sep 2007, 11:11

Dominic Ingle being in the ring prematurely

Harris was finished anyway.

Why didn't Harris say this shit when they talked to him on Sky?

He thinks he was robbed In England? Well didn't he get a gift against Urkal In germany?

Was funny when Corley thought he was robbed In England. Americans always think they get robbed In other countries and think the world has to go to them. Shit like that makes me glad not all our fighters go over to America and get their shots here then.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 11 Sep 2007, 11:12

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:GL: Not a lot of people in America got to see your fight with Junior Witter. What went wrong and why didn't you come home with the title? "First I would like to thank God for getting me back home safe in the United States. It was a horrible fight I was in. We got there seven days before the fight. They wanted us to come in three days before the fight and they didn't appreciate that we wanted to come in seven days before the fight and I think that was wrong. When we got there they didn't give us any food money, have anybody to bring us to the gym. I had to train in my hotel. They didn't start paying for the hotel until Wednesday, but the fight was everything you shouldn't expect in a championship fight. There was nobody allowed from my corner to make sure that his hands were getting wrapped properly. He's not a big puncher, but every time I'd get hit and bruised up. It was the worst experience I had. When I had got dropped in the seventh round his corner jumped into the ring before I got counted out. That's a disqualification right there. His corner isn't supposed to jump into the ring until the referee calls off the fight."

GL: So You feel the whole situation was shady?

Vivian Harris: "It was all shady. The day before the fight he was losing weight to make the weight at the hotel. Then on the night of the fight he's bigger than me and stronger than me. I don't know if they injected him with stuff, but I know I was there to fight and the first time I got hit I started getting bruised and he fighting like he was a puncher. He's never beaten anyone of my caliber so for him to hit me with shots like that and hurt me, something was wrong."

GL: Do you not give Witter any credit for winning the fight?

VH: "I don't give him no credit because he didn't beat me fair. He knows he didn't beat me fair. The night of the fight he was so confident and being scared the whole week and that's because of what they did to make sure they win the fight any way they can. My cutman tried to point it out to everyone how they jumped in the ring before the fight was over."

GL: But you were eventually counted out right?

VH: "Yeah. I was on my feet when he hit the ten count. At the count of seven they were in the ring and they weren't supposed to be there. They were also supposed to have somebody watch his hands get wrapped. Anything could have been in his gloves, and it wasn't a fair fight."

GL: Clearly it wasn't your best night, I'm just trying to figure out if it's because you're saying Witter did something shady or the way you were treated from the time you landed early.

VH: "I was treated unfairly when I first landed and they did something to him."

GL: If this protest goes nowhere, have there been any discussions of where you go from here?

VH: "It is going to go somewhere. Me and my manager and my lawyer are going to fight this all the way. This was bad for boxing. On the night of the fight someone from my team is supposed to be able to watch them wrap his hands and he should have been disqualified when his people jumped into the ring early. I'm not thinking about it like it's not going to go somewhere because it is, we have two legit points."

GL: Are you confident that if the fight were shown in America there would be an outcry from the fans demanding a rematch?

VH: "Definitely. That's why the fight wasn't shown in America and brought to America. They wanted it to be in England so they can control everything. If we had to fight over here the fight would have had to be fair and all of that wouldn't have taken place so I would have been very successful."

GL: Are you concerned that people reading this who have not seen the fight might look at this as you just making excuses for the loss?

VH: "I don't think so because everyone knows when you go to England this is what happens. England is not a fair place to fight. Fighters have gone there and bad things happen to them. Fighters have gotten hurt badly over there. This is the first time I got dropped in a fight where my mind told me not to get up. The second time I got dropped my mind told me to stay down, but my will brought me up. I just got up too late. Thinking about it, I'm glad I got up too late because with how his hands got wrapped, I'm just happy I didn't get hurt. I don't care what nobody thinks, I have a family I have to live for but the fighters need to be protected and they didn't do that over there in England."

GL: Is there anything you'd like to say in closing?

VH: "This is the first fight I lost that I know I didn't lose fairly. I was in better shape and stronger than him until the night of the fight. Then I was weak and he was so powerful. Something went wrong in that dressing room, something went wrong with his blood and I hope we get a urine test or a blood test. But I'm not stressing that because they could control that too. I didn't even know I was training at his gym until after the fight. I had no protection over there, everything was in his favor and I got set up for the loss. They knew this was his biggest fight and they did what they had to make him win that fight by injecting him with whatever they had to."

Is that from boxing talk?

That Leon kisses ass badly.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 11 Sep 2007, 11:17

Terry D wrote:Shaw was almost as good to watch as the fight itself.

"What the fook am I doing on this rinky-dink little island? They said we'd be fighting some kid called Junior and they've put a man in the ring, a man who can punch. Fooking cheating limey's. Where's the US embassey. Mike! Hey Mike Hussey! Where am I? Doncastah? What part of London is this? Mining town? I thought the holes in the ground were the Watford gaps. Your guy keeps hitting my guy on the chin you cheating pricks!"

When Shaw has sent fighters here they have lose so easily.

Calzaghe Vs Lacy
Rico Hoye Vs Woods
Now Witter Vs Harris.

Harris picked up Shaw syndrome.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 11 Sep 2007, 11:34

Max Molyneux wrote:
Dominic Ingle being in the ring prematurely
Harris was finished anyway.

Why didn't Harris say this shit when they talked to him on Sky?

He thinks he was robbed In England? Well didn't he get a gift against Urkal In germany?

Was funny when Corley thought he was robbed In England. Americans always think they get robbed In other countries and think the world has to go to them. Shit like that makes me glad not all our fighters go over to America and get their shots here then.

I agree, from my view at Sofaside, he was done. But it was still naive.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » 11 Sep 2007, 11:46

Typical American fighter, sore loser....

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Sep 2007, 12:32

I'm in agreement with all of this page. British cornermen have got to STOP acting like tits and jeopardising their fighters, in career best performances. How dare they risk DQ'ing their own boy.

Harris, I'm very disappointed in. This is a guy who branded Witter a "coward", had the stuffing beaten out of him, cried his eyes out in the dressing room, probably never even went to the post fight presser, and then talks shit when he's out of the country and gets his story concocted.

It's plain that he fought a guy he didn't have a clue how to fight. I love his proof. Witter doesn't hit that hard = illegal handwraps! Witter was bigger on fight night = Witter was given "an injection"!

This kind of shit just causes paranoia between different countries, encourages bad will, and cuts off these kind of fights.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Sep 2007, 12:34

I wonder whether Gary Shaw has put him up to this in the hope of stirring up for a rematch.

Whether or not he has, Harris has made himself look like an utter graceless pratt.

He plainly thought all he had to do was turn up and bowl over the British fighter. The arrogance of your typical US based fighter who hasn't the sense to check what they are up against.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Sep 2007, 12:42

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I wonder whether Gary Shaw has put him up to this in the hope of stirring up for a rematch.

Whether or not he has, Harris has made himself look like an utter graceless pratt.

He plainly thought all he had to do was turn up and bowl over the British fighter. The arrogance of your typical US based fighter who hasn't the sense to check what they are up against.

I think Shaw knows better. The last thing they want is a rematch in South Yorkshire and it wouldn't be worth winning a purse bid to have a Harris fight in the US. Maybe they want the WBC to give them the title, which is most unlikely considering the spanking he got. Or maybe they want the WBC to order a rematch on neutral soil. But he'd still have to face the same guy, which would ruin Vivian.

Shaw probably doesn't even want Harris anymore. IMO Harris got a call from that dick at boxingtalk, talked when he was in an over-emotional state, and did this to salvage his reputation when in fact he just BATTERED IT hahahahaha

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Sep 2007, 12:46

Yes, you may well be right.

How Harris must regret now listening to Manny Steward, and letting himself get talked out of that nice fat payday to face Hatton.

He's made peanuts in his career, and it's highly unlikely he's going to get a big payday now.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Sep 2007, 13:09

Thinking about it, I'm glad I got up too late because with how his hands got wrapped, I'm just happy I didn't get hurt. I don't care what nobody thinks, I have a family I have to live for but the fighters need to be protected and they didn't do that over there in England

this tells the whole story. he admits he couldn't and wouldn't get up because of the artillery that was coming at him!

He also disqualifies his own point that they jumped in the ring early

Which one is it Vivian? They wouldn't let you get up, or you stayed down to save your neck??

So Harris got whipped by Captain America (serum injection) via Dingaan Thobela (hit harder than ever vs Catley and prob didn't have proper padding in his gloves) LOL

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 11 Sep 2007, 13:17

Autobarn wrote:
Thinking about it, I'm glad I got up too late because with how his hands got wrapped, I'm just happy I didn't get hurt. I don't care what nobody thinks, I have a family I have to live for but the fighters need to be protected and they didn't do that over there in England
this tells the whole story. he admits he couldn't and wouldn't get up because of the artillery that was coming at him!

He also disqualifies his own point that they jumped in the ring early

So Harris got whipped by Captain America (serum injection) via Dingaan Thobela (hit harder than ever vs Catley and prob didn't have proper padding in his gloves) LOL

Dont the fighters team have the right to supervise the wraps?

And like the man said - if you lost, and would like a rematch, thats fine, but why is anyone going to entertain you if you act like that? Hes giving them the best reason to ignore the rematch - the fact that he is a wanker.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Sep 2007, 13:18

Let's see what Hennessey have to say. The wrap thing might be a totally different story.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 11 Sep 2007, 13:50

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Yes, you may well be right.

How Harris must regret now listening to Manny Steward, and letting himself get talked out of that nice fat payday to face Hatton.

He's made peanuts in his career, and it's highly unlikely he's going to get a big payday now.

Although he was offered 750k to face Hatton he only would have received around 50k for the fight because of signing a bad contract

Harris is coming across as a twat BUT what fighter doesnt make excuses for a loss? He must be devastated right now and is looking for reasons other than NO I'm just not good enough - which is the sad reality hes facing. Boxings the toughest sport out there for guys like Harris

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 11 Sep 2007, 13:57

the only reasonable shout that harris has is that dominic got in the ring too early, but the picture shows harris on his arse, the ref has 8 fingers showing and dom is just entering the ring, so dominic was in the ring at 9, yes harris has a minor point and dominic was a bit naive but hey, harris was still on his arse at 8..and was never beating the count !!

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