Cadet World Championships

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 11 Sep 2007, 17:18

yiddo14 wrote:
Dennis wrote:OK, Mel. Is it coincidence that the #1 team is the host country? Yes, they have some good boxers, but I still believe that there is clearly a home ring advantage in amateur boxing. If it would have been held in Cuba, I'm sure their medal count would have been higher.

Way to go Frankie Gomez! Go team USA.
You must be looking forward to the Worlds in Chicago then Dennis!!

Yes! I hope the crowd really gets behind the US boxers too.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 11 Sep 2007, 17:21

JMac wrote:Actually, Azerbaijan has very good cadet and junior boxers. But there is an advantage for the home team when the home fans are loud and vocal as they are in Azerbaijan. The judges can hear when the crowd makes extra noise when the home eam boxer scores. The judges can also get an idea of who is winning when the home team boxer is competing. The judges want to be on the right (winning) side. I'll leave it at that.

As for Cuba, they only sent a few boxers. Azerbaijan had a full team. They are eating food they are used too, etc.

Good post and good point about eating familiar food. That too has an impact.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 11 Sep 2007, 17:22

Puncher7 wrote:
boxmel wrote:As a judge, the roar of the crowd does not affect me or my concentration when counting punches. And counting punches is the only criteria for pushing the button - having nothing to do with "home town" or otherwise.
I'd be willing to bet that the crowd does subconsciously affect some judges even if the judges do not intend for it to. It's just natural

Exactly!

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 11 Sep 2007, 17:46

Well, Dennis, since you are also an official, I have to assume that you are talking about how the crowds consciously, or subconsciously, affect you when you are judging. My aggravation comes with the fact that everyone who talks about judging, judges and what effects both, makes general statements that seem to include all judges, not just the possibility of a few. After 20 years of judging, I don't think I'm naive. I might be a bit more positive about about judges and their intentions than most. And unless Puncher7 has ever judged, his comment is strictly speculation.

JMac · Post by **JMac** » 11 Sep 2007, 20:53

Mel wrote:

As a judge, the roar of the crowd does not affect me or my concentration when counting punches. And counting punches is the only criteria for pushing the button - having nothing to do with "home town" or otherwise.

OK but you are not an AIBA judge and don't have someone ready to ream you out for being on the wrong side of a decision. Hopefull that has changed now that Chowdhry is gone.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 11 Sep 2007, 22:37

Jmac - AIBA officials were/are "reamed" for their the number of times they push the button being too high or too low.

Did some research on "home ring" advantage (gold medals):

1987 World Championships, Reno, NV

Cuba - 7
Korea - 1
USSR - 1
USA - 3

1987 Pan American Games, Indianapolis, IN

Puerto Rico - 1
Cuba - 10
USA - 1

1996 Olympics, Atlanta, GA

USA - 1
Cuba - 4
Eastern Europe - 5
Thailand - 1
Algeria -

1999 World Championships, Houston, TX

USA - 3
Cuba - 2
Eastern Europe - 5
Turkey - 1

JMac · Post by **JMac** » 12 Sep 2007, 10:04

Jmac - AIBA officials were/are "reamed" for their the number of times they push the button being too high or too low.

Yes that and the other"Chowdhry" scoring criteria.

Good research on the home town or lack of home town advantage. I guess that it comes down to talent at the end of the day.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 12 Sep 2007, 11:24

Yes that and the other"Chowdhry" scoring criteria

Will be interesting to see what the "Wu/Smith" criteria will be. As far as I know, so far, nothing has changed. We'll just have to wait and see.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 12 Sep 2007, 22:44

I can't wait to see how it works.