Obviously it is a moot point now that the Taver fight is on but I just found it interesting that he would talk about Beyer again. I would have watched the third fight if it took place... Anyone else?Green seeks third crack at nemesis
By Adrian Warren
September 05, 2007
DANNY Green may get a third tilt at his old German nemesis Markus Beyer, while he waits for a crack at IBO world light heavyweight boxing champion Antonio Tarver.
In two WBC world title challenges in Germany, Australian Green suffered a controversial disqualification loss to Beyer in August 2003 and a majority points defeat in their rematch 19 months later.
Green knocked Beyer down twice in the first bout before a contentious ruling led to his disqualification and he also floored the German in the final round of their second contest.
Beyer 36, hasn't fought since losing the WBC title to Denmark's Mikkel Kessler last October.
While Beyer hadn't officially retired, Green admitted he thought the chance of a third bout with the German had gone until he read an internet article a few days ago in which his old foe was reported as saying he intended fighting again.
The Green camp is initiating discussions with Beyer's management team about a fight in Australia, while waiting for a reply to their offer for American Tarver to defend his IBO title in Perth.
"A world title is what I want to achieve, but the fact that this Beyer fight means so much to me, it's hard to choose between the two of them," Green said. "We've been in touch with Tarver's manager Al Heyman, who our agent Don Majeski knows very well.
"They've had pretty extensive negotiations and we're just waiting to see what the outcome is of that and hopefully we'll have an announcement pretty soon.
"But we don't want to put our eggs all in one basket and if that wasn't to take place, there's the Beyer rematch.
"It said on a website that Markus Beyer was making his return to the ring, he never retired, but he's returning and that made my ears prick up. At this stage of my career, I'm only looking for the big fights that are out there, and the ones that make the most sense.
"Although there wouldn't be a title on the line, it would be a massive fight with Beyer in Australia. With both of our histories and rankings we could probably get one of the organisations to make this fight a light heavyweight eliminator."
Since winning his last fight against American Otis Griffin back in July, 34-year-old Green has indulged in his other sporting passion.
He spent two weeks in the Maldives, surfing for five or more hours a day.
"I was surfing a hell of a lot every day and that really kept my fitness up," Green said.
Did anyone see this? Green seeks third crack at nemesis
Did anyone see this? Green seeks third crack at nemesis
This is an old article I just found.
There was nothing alleged about the headbutt in the first fight, It may not have been the reason for the cut but he did delibertley headbutt Beyer out of frustration.Brute wrote:I would watch it. Both of the other fights had strange moments, the alleged "headbutt" in the first fight and the standing eight count (against the rules of the fight) in the second.
Agree with you Ben. I don't know why people refer to the headbut as alledged, It was blatant.ben k wrote:There was nothing alleged about the headbutt in the first fight, It may not have been the reason for the cut but he did delibertley headbutt Beyer out of frustration.Brute wrote:I would watch it. Both of the other fights had strange moments, the alleged "headbutt" in the first fight and the standing eight count (against the rules of the fight) in the second.
I also love the way that some in the media referred to the Kostya Tszu fight against Zab Judah as "controversial", nothing cointroversial about it, Zab got hit. Zab went down. the referree may just have saved Judah's life.
Anyway, what would boxing be without controversy heh!
Swans in 2008
Sorry Marlin I have to disagree, Who knows why Danny did it? no doubt he was on the way to winning a title, but boxers are, on average, not rocket scientists.Marlin wrote:The head butt was a cop out. Beyer was getting pumped, the cuts were from punches and with Green being on top I don't think he would have thought "eff it, I'm gona deliberately head butt this bloke cause he hasn't stayed down after several KD's!"
Swans 2008
I think Green was getting tired, the 4th and 5th beyer was doing better and was getting the better of there exchanges. The cut was bad before hand but no worse than the one that Katsidis fought 10 rounds with a few months back.
Ive watched that fight at least 10 times and i think if Beyer lasted until around the 8th round Green would have been completly gassed and unable to continue.
I think Beyer drew the 4th round and he was on his way to winning the 5th i know its still a sore point for a lot of Aussies and at first i was outraged at the decision but i have the fight on DVD and thats my take on it.
I honestly think Beyer totally underestimated Green and the second fight was a true reflection of the 2 fighters.
Ive watched that fight at least 10 times and i think if Beyer lasted until around the 8th round Green would have been completly gassed and unable to continue.
I think Beyer drew the 4th round and he was on his way to winning the 5th i know its still a sore point for a lot of Aussies and at first i was outraged at the decision but i have the fight on DVD and thats my take on it.
I honestly think Beyer totally underestimated Green and the second fight was a true reflection of the 2 fighters.
The media generally don't refer to it as controversial. In fact, it was one of the least controversial fights of the decade. Absolutely nothing to come for there.Grant wrote:Agree with you Ben. I don't know why people refer to the headbut as alledged, It was blatant.ben k wrote:There was nothing alleged about the headbutt in the first fight, It may not have been the reason for the cut but he did delibertley headbutt Beyer out of frustration.Brute wrote:I would watch it. Both of the other fights had strange moments, the alleged "headbutt" in the first fight and the standing eight count (against the rules of the fight) in the second.
I also love the way that some in the media referred to the Kostya Tszu fight against Zab Judah as "controversial", nothing cointroversial about it, Zab got hit. Zab went down. the referree may just have saved Judah's life.
Anyway, what would boxing be without controversy heh!
Swans in 2008
Calzaghe - Manfredo was for instance far more controversial. But still - that was not even really controversial because Manfredo still never would have had a chance.
and let's take a look at Judah... If Baldomir could beat Zab, don't you think Kostya would have even if Zab was allowed 10 minutes to regain himself? Of course he would have. Kostya would beat Zab 10 out of 10 times.
The "media"? Who really thinks the press is the font of all wisdom? The head clash was behind Beyer's ear! There is no way it could have caused or aggravated the cut. as for the standing eight count, if you watched the fight you would have seen that Beyer was out on his feet in the last round. The rules given at the start of the fight clearly said "no standing eight count." The referee was entitled to stop the fight and award the fight to Green by KO or let the fight go on and see if Beyer could survive. He stopped the bout for a standing eight count, giving Beyer time to recover. Screw the media!Deram wrote:The media generally don't refer to it as controversial. In fact, it was one of the least controversial fights of the decade. Absolutely nothing to come for there.Grant wrote:Agree with you Ben. I don't know why people refer to the headbut as alledged, It was blatant.ben k wrote: There was nothing alleged about the headbutt in the first fight, It may not have been the reason for the cut but he did delibertley headbutt Beyer out of frustration.
I also love the way that some in the media referred to the Kostya Tszu fight against Zab Judah as "controversial", nothing cointroversial about it, Zab got hit. Zab went down. the referree may just have saved Judah's life.
Anyway, what would boxing be without controversy heh!
Swans in 2008
Calzaghe - Manfredo was for instance far more controversial. But still - that was not even really controversial because Manfredo still never would have had a chance.
and let's take a look at Judah... If Baldomir could beat Zab, don't you think Kostya would have even if Zab was allowed 10 minutes to regain himself? Of course he would have. Kostya would beat Zab 10 out of 10 times.
Amazing Brute- someone with some common sense.
Ben- the 5th round was scored and all judges gave it to Green so don't know what you were watching. Getting tired? Getting tired of opening one of the worst cuts in history. There was a head clash that in no way caused or even aggravted the cut and the ref is clearly seen saying this on tape.
Beyer 2 Green knew that the count was wrong again but didn't even mention it as he lost fairly and squarely so why try to claim a fight that you didn't win- unlike most other boxers!! eg Beyer 1.
Back to the topic the triology really doesn't offer much to either fighter other than revenge for Green and all in all still a risky fight.
Ben- the 5th round was scored and all judges gave it to Green so don't know what you were watching. Getting tired? Getting tired of opening one of the worst cuts in history. There was a head clash that in no way caused or even aggravted the cut and the ref is clearly seen saying this on tape.
Beyer 2 Green knew that the count was wrong again but didn't even mention it as he lost fairly and squarely so why try to claim a fight that you didn't win- unlike most other boxers!! eg Beyer 1.
Back to the topic the triology really doesn't offer much to either fighter other than revenge for Green and all in all still a risky fight.
Beyer went into the ropes in the last round so the ref is supposed to put a count on him if he didnt hit the ropes he would have been knocked down, It shouldnt have been a standing 8 count but he was still entitled to give him a count.Brute wrote:The "media"? Who really thinks the press is the font of all wisdom? The head clash was behind Beyer's ear! There is no way it could have caused or aggravated the cut. as for the standing eight count, if you watched the fight you would have seen that Beyer was out on his feet in the last round. The rules given at the start of the fight clearly said "no standing eight count." The referee was entitled to stop the fight and award the fight to Green by KO or let the fight go on and see if Beyer could survive. He stopped the bout for a standing eight count, giving Beyer time to recover. Screw the media!Deram wrote:The media generally don't refer to it as controversial. In fact, it was one of the least controversial fights of the decade. Absolutely nothing to come for there.Grant wrote: Agree with you Ben. I don't know why people refer to the headbut as alledged, It was blatant.
I also love the way that some in the media referred to the Kostya Tszu fight against Zab Judah as "controversial", nothing cointroversial about it, Zab got hit. Zab went down. the referree may just have saved Judah's life.
Anyway, what would boxing be without controversy heh!
Swans in 2008
Calzaghe - Manfredo was for instance far more controversial. But still - that was not even really controversial because Manfredo still never would have had a chance.
and let's take a look at Judah... If Baldomir could beat Zab, don't you think Kostya would have even if Zab was allowed 10 minutes to regain himself? Of course he would have. Kostya would beat Zab 10 out of 10 times.
I am talkin about the Kostya fight.Brute wrote:The "media"? Who really thinks the press is the font of all wisdom? The head clash was behind Beyer's ear! There is no way it could have caused or aggravated the cut. as for the standing eight count, if you watched the fight you would have seen that Beyer was out on his feet in the last round. The rules given at the start of the fight clearly said "no standing eight count." The referee was entitled to stop the fight and award the fight to Green by KO or let the fight go on and see if Beyer could survive. He stopped the bout for a standing eight count, giving Beyer time to recover. Screw the media!Deram wrote:The media generally don't refer to it as controversial. In fact, it was one of the least controversial fights of the decade. Absolutely nothing to come for there.Grant wrote: Agree with you Ben. I don't know why people refer to the headbut as alledged, It was blatant.
I also love the way that some in the media referred to the Kostya Tszu fight against Zab Judah as "controversial", nothing cointroversial about it, Zab got hit. Zab went down. the referree may just have saved Judah's life.
Anyway, what would boxing be without controversy heh!
Swans in 2008
Calzaghe - Manfredo was for instance far more controversial. But still - that was not even really controversial because Manfredo still never would have had a chance.
and let's take a look at Judah... If Baldomir could beat Zab, don't you think Kostya would have even if Zab was allowed 10 minutes to regain himself? Of course he would have. Kostya would beat Zab 10 out of 10 times.
Only Judah thought there was anything wrong there. If the referee had not stopped that after Judah went down twice from one punch, he would have been up for attempted murder.Deram wrote:I am talkin about the Kostya fight.Brute wrote:The "media"? Who really thinks the press is the font of all wisdom? The head clash was behind Beyer's ear! There is no way it could have caused or aggravated the cut. as for the standing eight count, if you watched the fight you would have seen that Beyer was out on his feet in the last round. The rules given at the start of the fight clearly said "no standing eight count." The referee was entitled to stop the fight and award the fight to Green by KO or let the fight go on and see if Beyer could survive. He stopped the bout for a standing eight count, giving Beyer time to recover. Screw the media!Deram wrote: The media generally don't refer to it as controversial. In fact, it was one of the least controversial fights of the decade. Absolutely nothing to come for there.
Calzaghe - Manfredo was for instance far more controversial. But still - that was not even really controversial because Manfredo still never would have had a chance.
and let's take a look at Judah... If Baldomir could beat Zab, don't you think Kostya would have even if Zab was allowed 10 minutes to regain himself? Of course he would have. Kostya would beat Zab 10 out of 10 times.
Thanks Ben, I was sure it wasn't a standing 8 count. If the ropes are the only thing that keeps a fighter from hitting the camvas it is ruled a KD hence the count...ben k wrote:Beyer went into the ropes in the last round so the ref is supposed to put a count on him if he didnt hit the ropes he would have been knocked down, It shouldnt have been a standing 8 count but he was still entitled to give him a count.Brute wrote:The "media"? Who really thinks the press is the font of all wisdom? The head clash was behind Beyer's ear! There is no way it could have caused or aggravated the cut. as for the standing eight count, if you watched the fight you would have seen that Beyer was out on his feet in the last round. The rules given at the start of the fight clearly said "no standing eight count." The referee was entitled to stop the fight and award the fight to Green by KO or let the fight go on and see if Beyer could survive. He stopped the bout for a standing eight count, giving Beyer time to recover. Screw the media!Deram wrote: The media generally don't refer to it as controversial. In fact, it was one of the least controversial fights of the decade. Absolutely nothing to come for there.
Calzaghe - Manfredo was for instance far more controversial. But still - that was not even really controversial because Manfredo still never would have had a chance.
and let's take a look at Judah... If Baldomir could beat Zab, don't you think Kostya would have even if Zab was allowed 10 minutes to regain himself? Of course he would have. Kostya would beat Zab 10 out of 10 times.
When Jeff Harding beat Andries the first time Andries had his back against the ropes and was getting belted. The referee stopped the fight without applying a count. What has changed since 1989?Marlin wrote:Thanks Ben, I was sure it wasn't a standing 8 count. If the ropes are the only thing that keeps a fighter from hitting the camvas it is ruled a KD hence the count...ben k wrote:Beyer went into the ropes in the last round so the ref is supposed to put a count on him if he didnt hit the ropes he would have been knocked down, It shouldnt have been a standing 8 count but he was still entitled to give him a count.Brute wrote: The "media"? Who really thinks the press is the font of all wisdom? The head clash was behind Beyer's ear! There is no way it could have caused or aggravated the cut. as for the standing eight count, if you watched the fight you would have seen that Beyer was out on his feet in the last round. The rules given at the start of the fight clearly said "no standing eight count." The referee was entitled to stop the fight and award the fight to Green by KO or let the fight go on and see if Beyer could survive. He stopped the bout for a standing eight count, giving Beyer time to recover. Screw the media!
Im not sure but there is a rule that if the ropes stop you from falling to the canvas they can apply a count on the fighter.Brute wrote:When Jeff Harding beat Andries the first time Andries had his back against the ropes and was getting belted. The referee stopped the fight without applying a count. What has changed since 1989?Marlin wrote:Thanks Ben, I was sure it wasn't a standing 8 count. If the ropes are the only thing that keeps a fighter from hitting the camvas it is ruled a KD hence the count...ben k wrote: Beyer went into the ropes in the last round so the ref is supposed to put a count on him if he didnt hit the ropes he would have been knocked down, It shouldnt have been a standing 8 count but he was still entitled to give him a count.