Is this fight still on because Boxrec also have Carl down to fight kevin mitchell on the 12th dec.
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer
Carl Johanneson v Michael Gomez
Re: Carl Johanneson v Michael Gomez
I think the Gomez-Johanneson fight got mandated, but I don't think it's been made as yetMPG wrote:Is this fight still on because Boxrec also have Carl down to fight kevin mitchell on the 12th dec.
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer
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Yes I read that it's on, with the winner getting Mitchell on 8th Dec - either matchup could be fight of the year, let's hope.
Interesting, because usually it would look like Frank is lining up a possible UK arm of the Hatton Sky PPV on 8th Dec, though as he's with Setanta now, maybe he just wants to go head to head with the Sky broadcast.
I wonder what Fight Academy have in mind as a build up to the early hours Hatton fight. Hopefully not just his brother in another intercontiwhatever title fight.
Interesting, because usually it would look like Frank is lining up a possible UK arm of the Hatton Sky PPV on 8th Dec, though as he's with Setanta now, maybe he just wants to go head to head with the Sky broadcast.
I wonder what Fight Academy have in mind as a build up to the early hours Hatton fight. Hopefully not just his brother in another intercontiwhatever title fight.
Bollocks! Neither Setanta and Sky Box Office are good at showing full replays either.MightyWarrior wrote:Yes I read that it's on, with the winner getting Mitchell on 8th Dec - either matchup could be fight of the year, let's hope.
Interesting, because usually it would look like Frank is lining up a possible UK arm of the Hatton Sky PPV on 8th Dec, though as he's with Setanta now, maybe he just wants to go head to head with the Sky broadcast.
I wonder what Fight Academy have in mind as a build up to the early hours Hatton fight. Hopefully not just his brother in another intercontiwhatever title fight.
Terry D wrote:£200 for the upgrade takes the piss.Chambers2 wrote:SplendidCrashing Dashing Kid wrote:The fight is defo on, spoke to Gomez myself.
October 19th at Doncaster
Stu, get Sky+ it's the future
Kin'ell thats abit steep, but even at £200 it would prove to be a bargain if you're a telly/sport addict (like myself)-
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Abso-fuckingwell-lutely. Not only the Sky+ thing pisses me off, but we bought my Gran a new Sky not so long ago she gets all the sports, plus a broadband connection if she wanted it and free weekend and evening calls for something like 35 quid a month. The price I am paying for just the TV... and cause I am an exsiting costumer not elligable for the broadband/phone calls... Cheers.Terry D wrote:It is crazy. I pointed out my long term Sky subscription and how unfair it is that new subscribers get all these Sky+ offers.
The best they could do is cancel my existing account. Remove the box and all that and then I would have to subscribe as a new customer to get the Sky+ deal. In the meantime I miss a ton of fights.
Cheers Sky. I like your boxing output but you screw your customers.
can I move in with your granstujones wrote:Abso-fuckingwell-lutely. Not only the Sky+ thing pisses me off, but we bought my Gran a new Sky not so long ago she gets all the sports, plus a broadband connection if she wanted it and free weekend and evening calls for something like 35 quid a month. The price I am paying for just the TV... and cause I am an exsiting costumer not elligable for the broadband/phone calls... Cheers.Terry D wrote:It is crazy. I pointed out my long term Sky subscription and how unfair it is that new subscribers get all these Sky+ offers.
The best they could do is cancel my existing account. Remove the box and all that and then I would have to subscribe as a new customer to get the Sky+ deal. In the meantime I miss a ton of fights.
Cheers Sky. I like your boxing output but you screw your customers.
Just get your Mum and Dad to pay for it like I do!stujones wrote:Abso-fuckingwell-lutely. Not only the Sky+ thing pisses me off, but we bought my Gran a new Sky not so long ago she gets all the sports, plus a broadband connection if she wanted it and free weekend and evening calls for something like 35 quid a month. The price I am paying for just the TV... and cause I am an exsiting costumer not elligable for the broadband/phone calls... Cheers.Terry D wrote:It is crazy. I pointed out my long term Sky subscription and how unfair it is that new subscribers get all these Sky+ offers.
The best they could do is cancel my existing account. Remove the box and all that and then I would have to subscribe as a new customer to get the Sky+ deal. In the meantime I miss a ton of fights.
Cheers Sky. I like your boxing output but you screw your customers.
To be fair, I do give them £10 a month for the Setanta.
Leeds sharpshooter Carl "Ingemar" Johanneson looks to rebound from a crushing European title defeat to Russian holder Leva Kirakosyan when he defends his British super-featherweight title against Manchester veteran and former two-time champion at the weight Michael Gomez.
Venue is the Doncaster Dome (October 19).
Johanneson was blasted in the fourth round by big-hitting Kirakosyan in that European title effort in Barnsley two months ago - his second heavy loss to Kirakosyan. In a non-title encounter in London in December 2004, Johanneson went out in the first round but then built up a nice winning run and looked good for revenge. But history essentially repeated itself. Kirakosyan hurt the local man every time he nailed him, knocking him down four times. It raises serious questions about Johanneson's ability and durability at top level (and European title level is top level these days), although Kirakosyan can undoubtedly whack. Carl was previously floored and outscored by top Georgian Koba Gogoladze, the only other man to beat him in 29 outings.
What gives this fight a real 'edge' is that Gomez stopped Kirakosyan after six brutal rounds on the Ricky Hatton-Mike Stewart undercard in Manchester in October 2004, surviving a real wobble in the fifth round. Indeed, Gomez had to go to the well to grind out his victory. He showed a good jab early on but couldn't resist a tear-up (typically) and played into the hands of the heavy-handed Russian, who nailed Gomez with right hands and had him reeling around the ring in that painfully-long fifth. But Gomez survived and pounded Kirakosyan's right eye shut in the sixth. The visitor retired at the bell, battered-looking and completely spent.
But that was 2004. Today, Gomez is on the comeback trail following two stark losses: a punishing six-round stoppage at the hands of Argentina's unheralded (but useful) Javier Osvaldo Alvarez at the MEN Arena in 2005 and a shocking five-round surrender to Bermondsey's tough Peter McDonagh up at lightweight in Dublin early last year, after which he announced his retirement. But he returned earlier this year under Bobby Rimmer and won two looseners in the third round.
Smouldering Michael (who will probably still be smouldering when he's 80, if he lives that long) first won the British super-featherweight title with a stunning-second round dismissal of Liverpool's Gary Thornhill back in 1999 and cruised to a Lonsdale Belt outright before relinquishing and subsequently winning back the belt destroying unbeaten Alex Arthur in five rounds in Edinburgh in 2003 for his greatest win. He relinquished again but then came Kirakosyan, who seemed to take a lot out of Gomez (and probably Johanneson). Alvarez and McDonagh proved it.
Immensely dangerous in the early going of any 12-rounder, Gomez is liable to come apart if his best shots fail to deter Johanneson. He floored Hungary's Laszlo Bognar with a brutal left hook to the body in the fifth round in 2001 but Bognar fought back and Gomez had to be rescued in the ninth. West Ham's Kevin Lear also survived Gomez's strength and determination in Manchester in 2002 and forced a retirement win after eight rounds. McDonagh forced Gomez to turn it in on his feet.
Michael can wallop, which is the last thing a fighter loses, but he turned pro at 17 and is one of those 'old fighters' at 30, with too many battle scars to count. Too many wars. It's hard to see how he can go to the well once more against Johanneson, who, at British level at least, looks solid and wallops himself.
A former talented amateur for the Great Burmantofts club in Leeds, 29-year-old Johanneson turned pro in New Jersey (of all places), following a four-year stint in the Army, and won 15 of 16 pro fights in mean American rings (the loss: that decision to southpaw Gogoladze in an eight-rounder in Detroit in 2003) before making his way back to Leeds and copping the meaningless WBF belt from Carl Greaves at Wembley in early 2004 (three rounds). After a couple of defences, Carl walked on to a crunching right hand from Kirakosyan at Crystal Palace in 2004 and was rescued in 101 seconds
Johanneson regrouped and reeled off eight wins - seven by stoppage - including a second-round annihilation of gangling Scot Andrew Ferrans in a British title eliminator, a four-round annihilation of Wembley-based Irishman Billy Corcoran for the British title last year and a six-round annihilation of Bradford's previously unbeaten Femi Fehintola in November in his first defence. Ricky Burns managed to last the distance with the champion in February - but was floored three times and widely outpointed for his pains (Burns had given world class fellow Scot Arthur a much better fight).
Victory over Gomez would secure Johanneson a magnificent Lonsdale Belt for life.
But the second Kirakosyan disaster leaves a big question mark. Much depends on how it has affected Johanneson, physically and mentally. His relationship with the Ingles (who train him) is also under the microscope, given they failed to pull him out (shades of Jim McDonnell against Azumah Nelson). On the other hand, Carl has a quick chance to make amends on his own Yorkshire turf, and the Lonsdale Belt outright must be a huge motivator. Gomez already has his, of course, though will have his eye on a rematch with Arthur.
While the Kirakosyan factor is fascinating, something tells me this one comes too early into Gomez's comeback and that, horribly tight at weight, his well has run dry anyway.
Johanneson has to be fancied.
Venue is the Doncaster Dome (October 19).
Johanneson was blasted in the fourth round by big-hitting Kirakosyan in that European title effort in Barnsley two months ago - his second heavy loss to Kirakosyan. In a non-title encounter in London in December 2004, Johanneson went out in the first round but then built up a nice winning run and looked good for revenge. But history essentially repeated itself. Kirakosyan hurt the local man every time he nailed him, knocking him down four times. It raises serious questions about Johanneson's ability and durability at top level (and European title level is top level these days), although Kirakosyan can undoubtedly whack. Carl was previously floored and outscored by top Georgian Koba Gogoladze, the only other man to beat him in 29 outings.
What gives this fight a real 'edge' is that Gomez stopped Kirakosyan after six brutal rounds on the Ricky Hatton-Mike Stewart undercard in Manchester in October 2004, surviving a real wobble in the fifth round. Indeed, Gomez had to go to the well to grind out his victory. He showed a good jab early on but couldn't resist a tear-up (typically) and played into the hands of the heavy-handed Russian, who nailed Gomez with right hands and had him reeling around the ring in that painfully-long fifth. But Gomez survived and pounded Kirakosyan's right eye shut in the sixth. The visitor retired at the bell, battered-looking and completely spent.
But that was 2004. Today, Gomez is on the comeback trail following two stark losses: a punishing six-round stoppage at the hands of Argentina's unheralded (but useful) Javier Osvaldo Alvarez at the MEN Arena in 2005 and a shocking five-round surrender to Bermondsey's tough Peter McDonagh up at lightweight in Dublin early last year, after which he announced his retirement. But he returned earlier this year under Bobby Rimmer and won two looseners in the third round.
Smouldering Michael (who will probably still be smouldering when he's 80, if he lives that long) first won the British super-featherweight title with a stunning-second round dismissal of Liverpool's Gary Thornhill back in 1999 and cruised to a Lonsdale Belt outright before relinquishing and subsequently winning back the belt destroying unbeaten Alex Arthur in five rounds in Edinburgh in 2003 for his greatest win. He relinquished again but then came Kirakosyan, who seemed to take a lot out of Gomez (and probably Johanneson). Alvarez and McDonagh proved it.
Immensely dangerous in the early going of any 12-rounder, Gomez is liable to come apart if his best shots fail to deter Johanneson. He floored Hungary's Laszlo Bognar with a brutal left hook to the body in the fifth round in 2001 but Bognar fought back and Gomez had to be rescued in the ninth. West Ham's Kevin Lear also survived Gomez's strength and determination in Manchester in 2002 and forced a retirement win after eight rounds. McDonagh forced Gomez to turn it in on his feet.
Michael can wallop, which is the last thing a fighter loses, but he turned pro at 17 and is one of those 'old fighters' at 30, with too many battle scars to count. Too many wars. It's hard to see how he can go to the well once more against Johanneson, who, at British level at least, looks solid and wallops himself.
A former talented amateur for the Great Burmantofts club in Leeds, 29-year-old Johanneson turned pro in New Jersey (of all places), following a four-year stint in the Army, and won 15 of 16 pro fights in mean American rings (the loss: that decision to southpaw Gogoladze in an eight-rounder in Detroit in 2003) before making his way back to Leeds and copping the meaningless WBF belt from Carl Greaves at Wembley in early 2004 (three rounds). After a couple of defences, Carl walked on to a crunching right hand from Kirakosyan at Crystal Palace in 2004 and was rescued in 101 seconds
Johanneson regrouped and reeled off eight wins - seven by stoppage - including a second-round annihilation of gangling Scot Andrew Ferrans in a British title eliminator, a four-round annihilation of Wembley-based Irishman Billy Corcoran for the British title last year and a six-round annihilation of Bradford's previously unbeaten Femi Fehintola in November in his first defence. Ricky Burns managed to last the distance with the champion in February - but was floored three times and widely outpointed for his pains (Burns had given world class fellow Scot Arthur a much better fight).
Victory over Gomez would secure Johanneson a magnificent Lonsdale Belt for life.
But the second Kirakosyan disaster leaves a big question mark. Much depends on how it has affected Johanneson, physically and mentally. His relationship with the Ingles (who train him) is also under the microscope, given they failed to pull him out (shades of Jim McDonnell against Azumah Nelson). On the other hand, Carl has a quick chance to make amends on his own Yorkshire turf, and the Lonsdale Belt outright must be a huge motivator. Gomez already has his, of course, though will have his eye on a rematch with Arthur.
While the Kirakosyan factor is fascinating, something tells me this one comes too early into Gomez's comeback and that, horribly tight at weight, his well has run dry anyway.
Johanneson has to be fancied.
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Not so sure what to think about this matchup.
Gomez Is on a comeback trail after losing to Peter McDonagh and lost to another journyman before that. Plus his two comeback opponents were journymen so I'm not convinced this will be a good enough version of Gomez.
Guess Carl needs a confidence builder agaisnt a former decent name after being destroyed last time.
Not really one of those matchups I'm excited about.
Will Johannesson start taking training serious again too?
Gomez Is on a comeback trail after losing to Peter McDonagh and lost to another journyman before that. Plus his two comeback opponents were journymen so I'm not convinced this will be a good enough version of Gomez.
Guess Carl needs a confidence builder agaisnt a former decent name after being destroyed last time.
Not really one of those matchups I'm excited about.
Will Johannesson start taking training serious again too?
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In Boxing News It was said he wasn't really training with the Ingles and staying In a local gym or something.oliverfennell wrote:That was all the talk before the Leva rematch. What was it about, anyway?Terry D wrote:Rumours are that Carl is still not training at his optimum level
They said a novice amatuer also boxed rings around Carl too.
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It's a fight that's interesting BECAUSE of the flaws/problems with the fighters. Sometimes these kinds of fights can be just as interesting as those between top-form guys.Max Molyneux wrote:Not so sure what to think about this matchup.
Gomez Is on a comeback trail after losing to Peter McDonagh and lost to another journyman before that. Plus his two comeback opponents were journymen so I'm not convinced this will be a good enough version of Gomez.
Guess Carl needs a confidence builder agaisnt a former decent name after being destroyed last time.
Not really one of those matchups I'm excited about.
Will Johannesson start taking training serious again too?
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Gomez does run hot and cold but Carl seems to be pretty consistant although a rematch with Kyracysan was a bad decision - Its a very good fight and a tough one for Carl comming off a defeat - I think he HAS to win this fight and you have to say the same for Gomez so sparks should fly - Yet another cracking fight in prospect.oliverfennell wrote:It's a fight that's interesting BECAUSE of the flaws/problems with the fighters. Sometimes these kinds of fights can be just as interesting as those between top-form guys.Max Molyneux wrote:Not so sure what to think about this matchup.
Gomez Is on a comeback trail after losing to Peter McDonagh and lost to another journyman before that. Plus his two comeback opponents were journymen so I'm not convinced this will be a good enough version of Gomez.
Guess Carl needs a confidence builder agaisnt a former decent name after being destroyed last time.
Not really one of those matchups I'm excited about.
Will Johannesson start taking training serious again too?
After seeing that Johanneson was due to defend against both Gomez and Mitchell i decided to investigate further and according to the BBBC website, Johanneson - Gomez has been agreed as a voluntary with all parties, including allegedly it seems, agreeing the winner will defend against Kevin Mitchell in December.
If the Michael Gomez that turns up has his hunger and desire to win back, we could be in for a pair of cracking fights. Might it be too soon for Mitchell though? Despite looking like one of the best prospects around, he's fought noone at that level yet and knowing Warren he wont be allowed near anyone potentially dangerous till he's got around 40 fights under his belt
If the Michael Gomez that turns up has his hunger and desire to win back, we could be in for a pair of cracking fights. Might it be too soon for Mitchell though? Despite looking like one of the best prospects around, he's fought noone at that level yet and knowing Warren he wont be allowed near anyone potentially dangerous till he's got around 40 fights under his belt
I believe Fank Maloney is training him.Max Molyneux wrote:In Boxing News It was said he wasn't really training with the Ingles and staying In a local gym or something.oliverfennell wrote:That was all the talk before the Leva rematch. What was it about, anyway?Terry D wrote:Rumours are that Carl is still not training at his optimum level
They said a novice amatuer also boxed rings around Carl too.