EASTMAN/ELCOCK FRIDAY

thaibox uk · Post by **thaibox uk** » 29 Sep 2007, 03:13

Looks like his arrogance and laziness finaly caught up with him.
Seems like Hennasy and McCracken were prepared to let him do what ever he wanted if there was a chance he could become a world champ.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 29 Sep 2007, 03:21

Eastman was never good enough to be world champ. A good British champion but found wanting at world level. His workrate has always been average at best, against guys who could take his punches he struggled. At British level he was too strong and powerful and could get away with throwing the odd shot here and there.

Retirement beckons surely? Although I'm pretty sure Eastman will say he was robbed here. He certainly has been one for complaining when he's lost in the past.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 29 Sep 2007, 05:22

im shocked, what were the scores on the cards.....

slapbangwhallop · Post by **slapbangwhallop** » 29 Sep 2007, 05:27

rhino222 wrote:im shocked, what were the scores on the cards.....

113-116 | 113-115 | 114-115

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 29 Sep 2007, 06:27

I'm always surprised when Howard turns up late into this country, it never worked in the past against Abraham and Miranda, so why did he think it would this time. He's only got himself to blame.

Well done to Elcock though.

Podmore_Birmingham · Post by **Podmore_Birmingham** » 29 Sep 2007, 06:55

Elcock boxed to instruction - never stay in the same place too long - and it came off perfectly.

The scorecards were a little too close, although i agreed with Mark Green's 116-113, but Eastman plodded, was one-paced and was hurt three or four times by Wayne's powerful hooks.

Now a first defence in Birmingham against Dudley's Darren McDermott must be next.

Tom Podmore.

ciscokid · Post by **ciscokid** » 29 Sep 2007, 07:10

This is just mental - I just hope that Eastman either retires, or comes back and has a re-match and beats Elcock, then retires. I guess his time is up.

Bloody annoying that this wasn't televised.

Fair dues to Wayne - seems that he put in a lot of effort for this and it's paid off.

Smigga · Post by **Smigga** » 29 Sep 2007, 07:27

I think people are being a bit harsh towards what Elcock has actually done in beating Eastman

It was always gonna be the case, if he won then Eastman was finished

It wasn't an Elcock win it was an Eastman loss. I don't think that's fair

I don't know why many are surprised tbh

steve richards · Post by **steve richards** » 29 Sep 2007, 07:47

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Christ! I'm flabberghasted. Canne believe it! Look forward to hearing what happened. I'm guessing Eastman wasn't in the best of shape.

Eastman was fit looked fit and told Wayne after the fight that he had trained well in Ghana, so ayone who says he wasn't up for it is talking b**llocks, he kept coming forward for 12 rounds, Wayne won a great fight, on technical ability and hard work, both fighters took some great shots, lets hope this result has shut a few people up who have doubted Waynes ability, Wayne took the mike and thanked Eastman for great fight, and called the guy a legend, which in the Uk he is i suppose, I hope Wayne goes on to bigger and better things.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 29 Sep 2007, 08:01

steve richards wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Christ! I'm flabberghasted. Canne believe it! Look forward to hearing what happened. I'm guessing Eastman wasn't in the best of shape.
Eastman was fit looked fit and told Wayne after the fight that he had trained well in Ghana, so ayone who says he wasn't up for it is talking b**llocks, he kept coming forward for 12 rounds, Wayne won a great fight, on technical ability and hard work, both fighters took some great shots, lets hope this result has shut a few people up who have doubted Waynes ability, Wayne took the mike and thanked Eastman for great fight, and called the guy a legend, which in the Uk he is i suppose, I hope Wayne goes on to bigger and better things.

Guyana!

Ghana ia AFRICA.

Not yet seen the fight - but well done to Elcock, sounds like he fought a great fight.

Still, not sure about Elcock as yet - lets see how he does now, but well done!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 29 Sep 2007, 11:55

Eastman was overrated but he was decent enough to win a Euro title obviously. Good win for Elcock too.

I don't think McCracken Is that much of a serious trainer though and Eastman was never that serious either as well. He should of schooled Miranda If he was truly world class.

Notice how Hennessy's best fighters are not trained by McCracken. The guys are fit and strong but they mostly rely on strength.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 29 Sep 2007, 12:06

dopey wrote:
Chambers2 wrote:Elcock UD

C'mon Wayno!!!!
Hope you had money on this!

Unfortunately not, had a nice win on the rugby though.

Well Done Wayno!!!!

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 29 Sep 2007, 12:32

Smigga wrote:I think people are being a bit harsh towards what Elcock has actually done in beating Eastman

It was always gonna be the case, if he won then Eastman was finished

It wasn't an Elcock win it was an Eastman loss. I don't think that's fair

I don't know why many are surprised tbh

Well said Smigga - Wayne did the business last night and deserves all the accolades.

People dont realise how dedicated Wayne is to the game - he is a cracking bloke and has bought championship glory back to the Second City.

Look at this picture - Howard knows who the winner was..

KRO SOTV

Good on ya Brummie

Hardhitters11 · Post by **Hardhitters11** » 29 Sep 2007, 13:02

Check Howard with the cannabis leaf belt buckle!

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 29 Sep 2007, 13:23

well...well done to wayne elcock.....but

lets be honest, a lot of the posters on here are talking with biased passion, elcock has just won the british title, he has done well, he has beaten a man who has mixed at the top of world class and has always been competetive........but

howard has neglected extended contact with rob mccracken for a while now, consequently rob has been playing football for birmingham on that bloody tv thing that is on at the moment, howard can do all the beach runs he wants in guyana but that does not tune him in for 12 hard rounds with his trainer who is in his corner.

howard should train in the uk for extended periods of time prior to his bouts, otherwise he should ply his trade elsewhere. shame because howard has been top value for the paying punter for a while now. unfortunately the rangey guyanan has now relied on limited fitness and punch power....

miranda exposed him and the defeat affected howards committment, yes the williams finish was good but richard matched eastman for long periods during that fight.

well done to elcock, but he is not going anywhere, im of the opinion that howard beat himself and lowered his performance to decent domestic level, that is what elcock has beat. if elcock beat a prime eastman then elcock would be catapaulted onto the world stage, but we know that is not gonna happen.....

WAYNE ELCOCK BEAT 70% OF HOWARD EASTMAN LAST NIGHT !

Smigga · Post by **Smigga** » 29 Sep 2007, 13:32

rhino222 wrote: WAYNE ELCOCK BEAT 70% OF HOWARD EASTMAN LAST NIGHT !

That's being generous in all honesty. But, there is a time and a place for critisism.... The kids just won The Lonsdale Belt by beating the best british champion out there so now isn't the time

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 29 Sep 2007, 13:36

its a boxing forum of opinion mate, ive said elcock has done well. and im not criticising wayne, im criticising eastman, for neglecting the discipline that has taken him to the heights that he reached.

people will talk about howard eastman as they do about bomber graham, perhaps the most talented britain never to have won a world title !!

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 29 Sep 2007, 14:30

I personally wouldn't class Eastman anywhere near Graham - Graham was downright unlucky to not win a title, where as Howard never was capable enough in the first place.

His best shot was Joppy, and he was lacklustre for most of that fight.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 29 Sep 2007, 14:35

I think people are being harsh to Wayne, he's always impressed me with his speed and boxing skills and while Howard may be on the slide Wayne is the sort of boxer who would always have given him a tough fight... lets give Elcock some credit!...

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 29 Sep 2007, 14:44

Wayne beat the man put in front of him and did a great job IMO.

Howard is a huge middle - there is no way he could have made weight if he wasn't fit. As simple as that.

Howard is in this game long enough to know how to prepare himself for a title fight; arriving late in the UK has been his MO for several fights now.

Maybe his desire is on the wain (pun intended..) - no one but Howard himself can give us the real answer to that question.

Regardless, Elcock has overcome many hurdles including management problems, a late start in the pros and high profile loses to climb to the top of the doemestic pile. That shows mental toughness to compliment his prodigious physical skills.

All credit to Wayne - this success couldnt have come to a nicer bloke!

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 29 Sep 2007, 15:11

Well done to Wayne, i had a sneaking suspicion he would do the business. Eastman has had his day and his heart was never really in it when he was at his prime, so how can he get any lazier?!

I always liked Elcock, especially after the lesson he dished out to Farnell for the WBU in 2003 (?). He fought forward for the first 6 rounds and backed off and countered for the last 6, dropping Farnell in the process. It was textbook of boxing to strategy. The Murphy KO loss was always a blip of a lucky punch, Murphy was never good enough to beat a focused Elcock, as the rematch proved.

Well done Wayne, hope a few lucrative defences follow

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 29 Sep 2007, 15:21

its like coventry beating man utd in the week, yes coventry can only beat what is put in front of them, but it does not make the sky blues ready for the champions league.....do you get my drift.

yes elcock is a great guy, yes he has won the coveted lonsdale belt, and yes he has done fantastic...

but he has only beaten the howard eastman reserve team. some boxers age overnight, it looks like howard has come to the end of the road. if howard bunked on the training then he will know in his mind that he can come again, if howard trained to the max then its the end of the road.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 29 Sep 2007, 15:31

rhino222 wrote:its like coventry beating man utd in the week, yes coventry can only beat what is put in front of them, but it does not make the sky blues ready for the champions league.....do you get my drift.

yes elcock is a great guy, yes he has won the coveted lonsdale belt, and yes he has done fantastic...

but he has only beaten the howard eastman reserve team. some boxers age overnight, it looks like howard has come to the end of the road. if howard bunked on the training then he will know in his mind that he can come again, if howard trained to the max then its the end of the road.

Were you even at the fight Rhino?

Wayne boxed well and mixed it up when he had to. No one is saying Eastman is a boxer at his peak - his recent results are enough to show that, but how many picked Elcock to turn the trick pre fight? Not many I can tell you.

Eastman didnt look particularly faded or ragged to me last night - it was a typical Eastman performance from where I was sat.

Lets not talk Eastman up into something he wasnt - he largely flattered to deceive throughout his career giving the impressison that he had all the tools to win fights against the very elite but somehow always coming up short when it really mattered.

As for the Graham analogy, Bomber would have toyed with Eastman at his peak.

All this aside, its Elcock's chance now to bask in the sun - the hard earned glory is his this weekend. Good on ya Mad Dog - just goes to show you can't keep a Brummie down!

Ally-M1 · Post by **Ally-M1** » 29 Sep 2007, 16:10

Ally-M1 wrote:I can't see past Eastman winning this one...

I should've realised why I couldn't see past Eastmen, Elcock was standing in the way..!

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 29 Sep 2007, 16:24

Twinkle Toes wrote:I personally wouldn't class Eastman anywhere near Graham - Graham was downright unlucky to not win a title, where as Howard never was capable enough in the first place.

His best shot was Joppy, and he was lacklustre for most of that fight.

Howard Eastman was unlucky to lose the decision against Joppy. He also put up a good effort against Hopkins, but was a class beneath Hopkins - no shame in that as BHop is possibly a top 10 MW of all time.
Howard wasnt the best Britain never to win a world title, but was the best of this decade. He was as good as any middle other than Hopkins in the late 90s / early 00s and was easily good enough to win a title belt.
He should call it a day now