Worst quit job of All-Time

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 30 Sep 2007, 13:56

granberry wrote:And Ali against Larry Holmes.

Ali quit in his corner like a dog, after throwing five punches (at most) in ten rounds.

Not exactly in the tradition of the greats of boxing.

Ali should have had his purse held up.

He defrauded those who paid to see a fight.

Ali's quitting as soon as Holmes finally threw some serious punches at the end of the 10th round was disgraceful.

Ali in that fight was even more shot than you are. That said, Angelo Dundee stopped the fight, not Ali. Other fighters would have quit by the fifth or sixth round if they were in Ali's condition.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 30 Sep 2007, 15:05

..decagon.....oakland, later boardwalk billy smith was more coo coo than pussy. did you ever see him fight....live...in person...from ringside?...did you ever follow his career when he was fighting out of cincinnati?..did you ever talk to trainers who had worked with him? i'm not being snotty here...it's just that i've had all those experiences and maybe have a different viewpoint. that's why i go with coo coo and erratic more than sissy. with him you never knew which one would show up.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 30 Sep 2007, 17:03

Decagon wrote:Oakland Smith was talented, but he was kind of a pussy.

Seldon's dive against Bowe was just as bad as his dive against Tyson. Check out his impression of Liston in the Ali rematch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPFjztGLZ6Y

He quit in his corner against a guy with titties.

Dive? Seldon got flattened. He had a china-chin.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 30 Sep 2007, 19:09

Alabama_Man wrote:I'd have to say Quitali's efforts against Chris Byrd are right up there in the top 3.

I'd have to say your IQ is as low as I thoght.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 30 Sep 2007, 21:22

..decagon..first, i should have put my comments about smith as statements instead of as rhetorical questions, so they wouldn't have sounded as confrontationial as they came off. i'm highly interested in any thing you can tell me about him because he was such a genuine character. so i'm looking forward to when you'll have time to forward any stories. i'll have to dig back in my memory to bring up the things i recall. one that comes immediately to mind is his fight with bert lytell, a great underrated middleweight. smith had built up a good following in cincinnati and was popular. when he fought lytell, a southpaw with a difficult style lytell had him crazy, so smith went a little nuts. whenever they got into a clinch, and there were a lot of them instigated by smith, billy spit in lytell's ear! the referee didn't know how to call this as he had no precedent. he decided it was a foul and warned smith, and when he turned his back billy spit at him, but missed. then he started stepping on smith's feet and other stuff i forget, and after he lost the decision he complained to the press that lytell didn't fight fair...because he led with his right hand instead of his left."

oddly, i think he and lytell had fought before, and i think they also did afterward.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 01 Oct 2007, 11:48

pundit wrote: I'd have to say your IQ is as low as I thoght.

Probably the best case of self-ownage I've ever seen on this board.

theone · Post by **theone** » 01 Oct 2007, 17:06

Chavez-Randall.

As a die hard Chavez fan it took me a long time to get over that one. No excuse; Chavez saw his way out and took it.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 01 Oct 2007, 17:46

Another one was Genaro Hernandez versus De La Hoya. He was losing every round, but he quit rather abruptly and he wasn't taking too much punishment.

Chavez-De La Hoya II was another. Chavez was performing well, but from what I remember Oscar hit him with a big left hook at the end of a round and Chavez quit in his corner.

They were mentioned already, but these are worth repeating. Freitas-Corrales was bad, but I didn't know what a quit job was until I saw the Diaz fight. I've never seen a fighter celebrate a loss so much, let alone a loss where you quit and lose by TKO.

Tyson-Golota and Golota-Grant were mentioned, those are up there.

Tyson-Meehan, not to say I was surprised by that one.

Awesom-O · Post by **Awesom-O** » 01 Oct 2007, 18:08

5. ANDREW GOLOTA-ANY FIGHT
4. ACELINO FREITAS-JUAN DIAZ
3. MARIO CAWLEY-HASIM RAHMAN
2. ROBERTO DURAN-RAY LEONARD 2
1. QUITALI QUITSCHKO-CHRIS BYRD

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 01 Oct 2007, 21:15

I Feel Fine wrote: Tyson-Meehan, not to say I was surprised by that one.

I assume you mean McBride... and yeah that was right up there in the quitting stakes. I'm not sure I have ever seen someone just sit down during a fight like that before...

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 01 Oct 2007, 22:37

Oh, yeah. Strange. Meehan is the one who fought Brewster and Rahman. I meant McBride.

monkeybusiness · Post by **monkeybusiness** » 02 Oct 2007, 17:14

Golota - Tyson was pretty bad

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 02 Oct 2007, 17:25

granberry wrote:De la Hoya quit halfway through his fight with Trinidad.

He should have had his purse held up.

And that is what passes for a "championship fight" in more recent boxing.

That I agree 100%.

And most people on Boxrec swear that DLH won that fight. If I was a judge on that fight I would have deducted an extra point from DLH for running a marathon.

barry · Post by **barry** » 02 Oct 2007, 18:39

>>>I'm a fan of California fighters from the 40s and 50s, and I know more about what he did there. I am of course eager to learn.<<<

Well there is an absolute slew of articles from the Oakland Tribune on http://www.newspaperarchive.com about "Oakland/Boardwalk" Billy Smith! It wasn't that he was kind of a pussy...he just lacked major durability!

>>>5. ANDREW GOLOTA-ANY FIGHT<<<

Really? Check out his brawl with Samson Po'uha! He took some of the biggest bombs that I have ever seen a fighter take and survive! True, he took a huge bite out of Po'uha, but he lasted through one of the worst bombardments of clean knockout shots from an absolute titantic puncher that a fighter has ever took! Golota quit a lot after that fight, but for one night Golota took it like man!

As to De La Hoya-Trinidad...well, Trinidad is one of my favorite fighters of the 90s, but he did not win that fight! Oscar gave him as good a boxing lesson as can be given. De La Hoya ran in the final two, or three rounds, but Trinidad did not land anything significant to really take the fight from Oscar as he had built up a huge lead in the rounds prior to the 9th, or 10th!

Awesom-O · Post by **Awesom-O** » 02 Oct 2007, 19:06

barry wrote:>>>I'm a fan of California fighters from the 40s and 50s, and I know more about what he did there. I am of course eager to learn.<<<

Well there is an absolute slew of articles from the Oakland Tribune on http://www.newspaperarchive.com about "Oakland/Boardwalk" Billy Smith! It wasn't that he was kind of a pussy...he just lacked major durability!

>>>5. ANDREW GOLOTA-ANY FIGHT<<<

Really? Check out his brawl with Samson Po'uha! He took some of the biggest bombs that I have ever seen a fighter take and survive! True, he took a huge bite out of Po'uha, but he lasted through one of the worst bombardments of clean knockout shots from an absolute titantic puncher that a fighter has ever took! Golota quit a lot after that fight, but for one night Golota took it like man!

As to De La Hoya-Trinidad...well, Trinidad is one of my favorite fighters of the 90s, but he did not win that fight! Oscar gave him as good a boxing lesson as can be given. De La Hoya ran in the final two, or three rounds, but Trinidad did not land anything significant to really take the fight from Oscar as he had built up a huge lead in the rounds prior to the 9th, or 10th!

golota should've been dq'd on the spot.

i think eddie cotton did that fight too.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 02 Oct 2007, 20:43

barry wrote:>>>I'm a fan of California fighters from the 40s and 50s, and I know more about what he did there. I am of course eager to learn.<<<

Well there is an absolute slew of articles from the Oakland Tribune on http://www.newspaperarchive.com about "Oakland/Boardwalk" Billy Smith! It wasn't that he was kind of a pussy...he just lacked major durability!

>>>5. ANDREW GOLOTA-ANY FIGHT<<<

Really? Check out his brawl with Samson Po'uha! He took some of the biggest bombs that I have ever seen a fighter take and survive! True, he took a huge bite out of Po'uha, but he lasted through one of the worst bombardments of clean knockout shots from an absolute titantic puncher that a fighter has ever took! Golota quit a lot after that fight, but for one night Golota took it like man!

As to De La Hoya-Trinidad...well, Trinidad is one of my favorite fighters of the 90s, but he did not win that fight! Oscar gave him as good a boxing lesson as can be given. De La Hoya ran in the final two, or three rounds, but Trinidad did not land anything significant to really take the fight from Oscar as he had built up a huge lead in the rounds prior to the 9th, or 10th!

I’m sorry Barry for me you are one of the most knowledgeable persons on this forum and I do have great respect for you opinion. Probably I’m bias for Trinidad but I honestly don’t think the DLH deserved the win for that fight because he ran too much. Of course, it is just my opinion. For me DLH won about four rounds convincingly, other than that, all other rounds could have gone to either fighter, except for 10, 11 and 12 that should have been score for Trinidad. DLH simply threw away the fight in the end in my opinion.

markl · Post by **markl** » 02 Oct 2007, 23:55

The worst one may have been Bumphus against Starling. The first time they started with this open scoring bs.

Probably the only quitter that got a win.

markl · Post by **markl** » 03 Oct 2007, 00:31

Decagon wrote:
markl wrote:Probably the only quitter that got a win.
Chavez, too.

Indeed.

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 03 Oct 2007, 03:01

Decagon wrote:
Alabama_Man wrote:
pundit wrote: I'd have to say your IQ is as low as I thoght.
Probably the best case of self-ownage I've ever seen on this board.
Yeah. You'd have to go all the way to Fightbeat and dig up your "Semen" Tommy Watson thread to find a worse one.

Stop following me and trying to drag me back to that shitty board.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 03 Oct 2007, 09:28

Alabama_Man wrote:
Decagon wrote:
Alabama_Man wrote: Probably the best case of self-ownage I've ever seen on this board.
Yeah. You'd have to go all the way to Fightbeat and dig up your "Semen" Tommy Watson thread to find a worse one.
Stop following me and trying to drag me back to that shitty board.

Can one be "followed" here? Odd thought IMHO.

barry · Post by **barry** » 03 Oct 2007, 12:37

>>>Probably I’m bias for Trinidad but I honestly don’t think the DLH deserved the win for that fight because he ran too much.<<<

I agree...De La Hoya did run...at least for the last two, or three rounds, but prior to that he fought a masterful boxing match. The exact type of match that fighters like Pernell Whitaker and Willie Pep were and are absolutely praised for.

Personally I do not care for that style...I much prefer Trinidad's style of seek and destroy, but Trinidad hardly even laid a glove on De la hoya up until tenth round and though De la Hoya ran in those last rounds, Trinidad just did not land anything substantial enough to take the fight in my opinion! Perhaps I should re-watch the fight as it has been a number of years since I seen it. It the time and I guess even now I was glad that Trinidad got the win as he was one of my favorites, but I think that Trinidad lost the bout just as I thought that Ike Quartey beat De La Hoya in their fight!

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 03 Oct 2007, 16:30

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barry · Post by **barry** » 03 Oct 2007, 17:21

I have no problems whatsoever deleting everything a person posts if that person chooses only to attack someone and if said person has a history of nonsense then it's very much justified!

As Buzz states, we have a pretty good standard here and take little nonsense and instead of arguing...I just delete nonsense.

The forum has really gotten better over the past year compared to a couple of years ago when it was a mess of insulting threads! Most all of the trolls either left, or straightened up and chose to talk boxing instead of constant insults and flame wars...afterall...this is a boxing forum!

Keep things civil and on topic and everything will be fine!!

Alabama_Man · Post by **Alabama_Man** » 03 Oct 2007, 20:27

Well I was taking exception to Barry's personal attack when he had no idea of the situation, but I'm glad he removed it. Problem solved.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 03 Oct 2007, 20:34

...for the definative answer to the posts of one mentioned here, i refer you to my post on the taylor/pavlik fight. free...no charge.

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