Khan v Lawton

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:43

Apparently we ARE getting to see the Pryce fight. No looking at the results page now!

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:45

Too late, already had a look :(

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:46

Deserter wrote:Too late, already had a look :(

me too lol. Is he related to that other fighter Concepcion?

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:47

Khan, an olympic silver, at 135, 14-0. They are billing him as a world champ.

Compare his record to another 14-0 olympian at 147 and see the difference in the standard of boxing

1983-05-15 155 Roosevelt Green 152 19-2-0
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 0
1982-10-23 164 Doug Demmings 31-10-1
Berlin, Germany W TKO 5 0
1982-09-15 155½ Steve Williams 155½ 6-6-0
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 6 10
1982-05-02 153¾ Curtis Ramsey 152¼ 21-10-5
Playboy Hotel & Casino, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W KO 1 0
1982-03-26 Curtis Taylor 12-10-0
Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany W KO 2 0
1981-12-26 157¾ Sammy Floyd 157¾ 6-18-1
Gelsenkirchen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W KO 2 0
1981-11-16 Darwin Brewster 6-0-1
Mayfair, London, United Kingdom W KO 6 0
1981-10-31 John Mwansa 1-0-0
Lusaka, Zambia W KO 1 0
1981-09-25 154½ Ronnie Ford 155½ 3-4-1
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W KO 1 0
1981-05-30 157 Pedro Guerrero 0-5-0
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 2 0
1981-05-11 Dennis Pryce 17-13-3
Mayfair, London, United Kingdom W KO 1 0
1981-04-10 154¾ Mauricio Da Cruz 156¾ 2-26-2
Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany W TKO 4 0
1981-02-13 154 Giampaolo Piras 4-61-8
Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany W TKO 2 0
1980-12-05 149½ Oemer Karadenis 149½ 1-3-3
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W TKO 1 0

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:49

Impressive performance from Khan. He looked very strong, put his punches together well and was too quick and heavy handed for Lawton. However, he did what one would expect of a prospective world class fighter against a domestic level.

I think he now ready for a stiffer test against a fighter that will be take him into later rounds to see how his form holds.

I still think he is vulnerable defensively but that aside it was a very good win.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:50

The thing that impressed me the most was while he was throughing those uppercuts he had his hand on his face. Seems to be learning. Wofuly one sided for me though.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:53

KO Artist wrote:Khan, an olympic silver, at 135, 14-0. They are billing him as a world champ.

Compare his record to another 14-0 olympian at 147 and see the difference in the standard of boxing

1983-05-15 155 Roosevelt Green 152 19-2-0
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 0
1982-10-23 164 Doug Demmings 31-10-1
Berlin, Germany W TKO 5 0
1982-09-15 155½ Steve Williams 155½ 6-6-0
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 6 10
1982-05-02 153¾ Curtis Ramsey 152¼ 21-10-5
Playboy Hotel & Casino, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W KO 1 0
1982-03-26 Curtis Taylor 12-10-0
Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany W KO 2 0
1981-12-26 157¾ Sammy Floyd 157¾ 6-18-1
Gelsenkirchen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W KO 2 0
1981-11-16 Darwin Brewster 6-0-1
Mayfair, London, United Kingdom W KO 6 0
1981-10-31 John Mwansa 1-0-0
Lusaka, Zambia W KO 1 0
1981-09-25 154½ Ronnie Ford 155½ 3-4-1
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W KO 1 0
1981-05-30 157 Pedro Guerrero 0-5-0
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 2 0
1981-05-11 Dennis Pryce 17-13-3
Mayfair, London, United Kingdom W KO 1 0
1981-04-10 154¾ Mauricio Da Cruz 156¾ 2-26-2
Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany W TKO 4 0
1981-02-13 154 Giampaolo Piras 4-61-8
Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany W TKO 2 0
1980-12-05 149½ Oemer Karadenis 149½ 1-3-3
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W TKO 1 0

Ill say one thing --- Mugabis opponents in those fights have more losses than Khans

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:55

Yeah, I thought that too. Hardly that impressive, aside from the manner of their destruction.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:55

I really don't think Khan learned anything from tonight's fight and neither did we. I don't think Lawton turned up with any ambition tonight. It's got to be Earl or Thaxton next. Then we might find out a bit more.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:55

MIKEE wrote:
KO Artist wrote:Khan, an olympic silver, at 135, 14-0. They are billing him as a world champ.

Compare his record to another 14-0 olympian at 147 and see the difference in the standard of boxing

1983-05-15 155 Roosevelt Green 152 19-2-0
Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 1 0
1982-10-23 164 Doug Demmings 31-10-1
Berlin, Germany W TKO 5 0
1982-09-15 155½ Steve Williams 155½ 6-6-0
Madison Square Garden, New York City, New York, United States W TKO 6 10
1982-05-02 153¾ Curtis Ramsey 152¼ 21-10-5
Playboy Hotel & Casino, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W KO 1 0
1982-03-26 Curtis Taylor 12-10-0
Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany W KO 2 0
1981-12-26 157¾ Sammy Floyd 157¾ 6-18-1
Gelsenkirchen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W KO 2 0
1981-11-16 Darwin Brewster 6-0-1
Mayfair, London, United Kingdom W KO 6 0
1981-10-31 John Mwansa 1-0-0
Lusaka, Zambia W KO 1 0
1981-09-25 154½ Ronnie Ford 155½ 3-4-1
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W KO 1 0
1981-05-30 157 Pedro Guerrero 0-5-0
Showboat Hotel & Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W TKO 2 0
1981-05-11 Dennis Pryce 17-13-3
Mayfair, London, United Kingdom W KO 1 0
1981-04-10 154¾ Mauricio Da Cruz 156¾ 2-26-2
Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany W TKO 4 0
1981-02-13 154 Giampaolo Piras 4-61-8
Kiel, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany W TKO 2 0
1980-12-05 149½ Oemer Karadenis 149½ 1-3-3
Cologne, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany W TKO 1 0
Ill say one thing --- Mugabis opponents in those fights have more losses than Khans

Come on Mikee mate, have you seen who they fought? Have you seen the fights?

Its different class mate. Well spotted so quick though

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:56

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Yeah, I thought that too. Hardly that impressive, aside from the manner of their destruction.

If you havent seen the fights to compare them, pure numbers dont really say much at all

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:58

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Yeah, I thought that too. Hardly that impressive, aside from the manner of their destruction.

James, I think you are as unimpresed with Mugabi, as I am impresed with him?

I recall that you and I are about the same age, you should idolise the beast

Dioufy · Post by **Dioufy** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:58

Would an honorable defeat to Michael Katsidis or Yuri Ramonev stand Khan in good stead for his career.

Coffee Aroma · Post by **Coffee Aroma** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:59

jamesmcdonnell wrote:What's with the flesh coloured microphone? I thought he had a fekking massive wart on his face when it first came on, he looks like bloody grotbags.

My thoughts entirely!

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 06 Oct 2007, 17:59

Dioufy wrote:Would an honorable defeat to Michael Katsidis or Yuri Ramonev stand Khan in good stead for his career.

an honorable victory might be better lol

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 06 Oct 2007, 18:00

What a fcuking shot that was!

Dioufy · Post by **Dioufy** » 06 Oct 2007, 18:00

MIKEE wrote:
Dioufy wrote:Would an honorable defeat to Michael Katsidis or Yuri Ramonev stand Khan in good stead for his career.
an honorable victory might be better lol

He won't beat those fighters just yet though, and it beat pissing on fighters like Lawton, Earl and Limond.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 06 Oct 2007, 18:02

Dioufy wrote:
MIKEE wrote:
Dioufy wrote:Would an honorable defeat to Michael Katsidis or Yuri Ramonev stand Khan in good stead for his career.
an honorable victory might be better lol
He won't beat those fighters just yet though, and it beat pissing on fighters like Lawton, Earl and Limond.

I didnt realise we were talking about RIGHT NOW.... IMO beating Earl would be on a par with getting spanked by Katsidis.

What a great counter that was by Pryce! fantastic shot

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 06 Oct 2007, 18:02

Terry D wrote:He looked good tonight. Surprised Lawton ditched the jab, or was unable to use it, as he landed it a few times when he let it go. It was his best defence and he was a sitting target without it.

I think Khan will be better if he ditches 5-6 shot flurries, as he did in this fight. Why not throw 1-2-3 then take a step to the side and throw another trio. Same amount of shots but he gets to switch the angles and avoid a straight shot coming his way.

Oliver has him doing this and it seems his style is settling down a little bit in every few fights or so.

Flurrying against Earl could allow Earl to swing one in so I hope he picks his shots from now on. James Toney used hand speed and steps between combos well in his best bouts.

I think you're spot on with all of this Terry, particularly with regards to the 5-6 shot flurries, as it's the one time where he does still appear to square up with his chin hanging out. Against someone who can time him coming in he could easily get clocked... bad habit from the amateurs that they need to erase.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 06 Oct 2007, 18:02

KO Artist wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Yeah, I thought that too. Hardly that impressive, aside from the manner of their destruction.
James, I think you are as unimpresed with Mugabi, as I am impresed with him?

I recall that you and I are about the same age, you should idolise the beast

Well, not quite idolise, but he was a terrific fighter, and great fun to watch.

My point is that there's nothing spectacular about that list of opponents. Mugabi was rightly called the beast and was as murderous a puncher as I've ever seen, but he wasn't fighting anyone special in his first 14 fights.

Dioufy · Post by **Dioufy** » 06 Oct 2007, 18:04

MIKEE wrote:
Dioufy wrote:
MIKEE wrote: an honorable victory might be better lol
He won't beat those fighters just yet though, and it beat pissing on fighters like Lawton, Earl and Limond.
I didnt realise we were talking about RIGHT NOW.... IMO beating Earl would be on a par with getting spanked by Katsidis.

What a great counter that was by Pryce! fantastic shot

Now JUST now, but within his next three fights. I don't think Kasidis would spank Khan but I don't think Khan would be Katsidis.

Coffee Aroma · Post by **Coffee Aroma** » 06 Oct 2007, 18:05

Aaaah........Bisto......and the train rolls on.

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 06 Oct 2007, 18:05

Dioufy wrote:
MIKEE wrote:
Dioufy wrote: He won't beat those fighters just yet though, and it beat pissing on fighters like Lawton, Earl and Limond.
I didnt realise we were talking about RIGHT NOW.... IMO beating Earl would be on a par with getting spanked by Katsidis.

What a great counter that was by Pryce! fantastic shot
Now JUST now, but within his next three fights. I don't think Kasidis would spank Khan but I don't think Khan would be Katsidis.

If Katsidis can stop Earl, he can stop Khan, if Limond put Khan on Judah-legs, then Katsidis can rock him for sure

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 06 Oct 2007, 18:07

Terry D wrote:He looked good tonight. Surprised Lawton ditched the jab, or was unable to use it, as he landed it a few times when he let it go. It was his best defence and he was a sitting target without it.

I think Khan will be better if he ditches 5-6 shot flurries, as he did in this fight. Why not throw 1-2-3 then take a step to the side and throw another trio. Same amount of shots but he gets to switch the angles and avoid a straight shot coming his way.

Oliver has him doing this and it seems his style is settling down a little bit in every few fights or so.

Flurrying against Earl could allow Earl to swing one in so I hope he picks his shots from now on. James Toney used hand speed and steps between combos well in his best bouts.

You're right, Khan's tendency to throw quick flurries coming forward carries his momentum right into his opponents range and opens him up for short counters. Against an opponent who can dig, Khan will have to come through a some sticky moments.

Personally I don't like Khan's inability to hold his feet and dominate a fight at his range when he has such fast hands. His forward momentum seems always end up on top off his opponent either crowding his own work or allowing counters. Let's hope this gets ironed out. There was certainly less of that tonight, but it was still there.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 06 Oct 2007, 18:08

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
KO Artist wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Yeah, I thought that too. Hardly that impressive, aside from the manner of their destruction.
James, I think you are as unimpresed with Mugabi, as I am impresed with him?

I recall that you and I are about the same age, you should idolise the beast
Well, not quite idolise, but he was a terrific fighter, and great fun to watch.

My point is that there's nothing spectacular about that list of opponents. Mugabi was rightly called the beast and was as murderous a puncher as I've ever seen, but he wasn't fighting anyone special in his first 14 fights.

Usually, I would bow to your superior knowledge, but as I have seen every single pro and olympic fight of mugabi, I will beg to differ here.

Roosevelt Green 3 times chicago golden gloves champ, doug demmings and curtis ramsey were all better than any of khans opponents. Ask Mighty Warrior, Bennie, Ian McNeilly, or Steve Farhood. Mugabi sparked them all.

Surely, P4P Mugabi would have hammered Khan at the same stage.