Kostya Tszyu v Vernon Forrest world amateur bout!

nestingus · Post by **nestingus** » 08 Oct 2007, 21:47

Just found this on youtube, an absolute masterclass from tszyu... forrest was only 19 when this happened!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wEV9dyIYwI4

boxbible · Post by **boxbible** » 09 Oct 2007, 02:18

quite brilliant!

He really regressed as a pro...

NYY2424 · Post by **NYY2424** » 09 Oct 2007, 08:09

boxbible wrote:quite brilliant!

He really regressed as a pro...

Im not so sure any of them regressed as a pro. they both were world champs! isnt that as high as you can get? :)

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 09 Oct 2007, 08:27

I think he means he relied more on power as a pro than his great boxing skills he had as an amature.

NYY2424 · Post by **NYY2424** » 09 Oct 2007, 08:30

yea i wasnt sure what he meant by that.... i see both skill guys in there. Pro's are different though, you need to use power when yuo can. anyway you get them out of there, thats all that counts!

Loki · Post by **Loki** » 09 Oct 2007, 10:00

Tszyu was an excellent boxer, but I agree, after he hit 30, he lost his speed and replied on his power.

Still, he dominated a division for a decade....

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 09 Oct 2007, 13:16

He certainly did have major skills -ama and pro - and that fight is proof of his ability vs slick, rangy guys. boxbible makes it sound like he turned into a Victor Oganov!

whiskey · Post by **whiskey** » 09 Oct 2007, 17:23

I put that clip up.

Tszyu was the daddy in his prime and anyone who thinks taller men like Oscar would rumble him at welter, i'd suggest they take a peep at that.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Oct 2007, 18:00

G0mez wrote:I put that clip up.

Tszyu was the daddy in his prime and anyone who thinks taller men like Oscar would rumble him at welter, i'd suggest they take a peep at that.

I always thought Kostya was a very good boxer who discovered along the way that he had remarkable power. He parlayed all that talent and skill very well along the way.

SandySadler · Post by **SandySadler** » 09 Oct 2007, 18:43

Loki wrote:Tszyu was an excellent boxer, but I agree, after he hit 30, he lost his speed and replied on his power.

Still, he dominated a division for a decade....

He sure as hell didn't dominate Cool Vince Phillips

That fight was before he hit 30..

SandySadler · Post by **SandySadler** » 09 Oct 2007, 18:47

G0mez wrote:I put that clip up.

Tszyu was the daddy in his prime and anyone who thinks taller men like Oscar would rumble him at welter, i'd suggest they take a peep at that.

dude fvck that clip..

Oscar would pick up right where Cool vince left off..

Where was Shitzsyu when Forrest was Champ at 147??

He couldn't even scrape together the courage to fight Spinks.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Oct 2007, 19:01

SandySadler wrote:
G0mez wrote:I put that clip up.

Tszyu was the daddy in his prime and anyone who thinks taller men like Oscar would rumble him at welter, i'd suggest they take a peep at that.
dude fvck that clip..

Oscar would pick up right where Cool vince left off..

Where was Shitzsyu when Forrest was Champ at 147??

He couldn't even scrape together the courage to fight Spinks.

Well, Cool Vince could not have performed that miracle twice and everyone but SandySadler knows it. Best to judge fighters by their entire portfolio vs their weakest moment. In boxing one small slip up and your entire rep changes. But Oscar had his weak moments as well....both were great. Oscar being bigger would have an edge. Both were great champions.

SandySadler · Post by **SandySadler** » 09 Oct 2007, 20:21

BoxBuzz wrote:
SandySadler wrote:
G0mez wrote:I put that clip up.

Tszyu was the daddy in his prime and anyone who thinks taller men like Oscar would rumble him at welter, i'd suggest they take a peep at that.
dude fvck that clip..

Oscar would pick up right where Cool vince left off..

Where was Shitzsyu when Forrest was Champ at 147??

He couldn't even scrape together the courage to fight Spinks.

Well, Cool Vince could not have performed that miracle twice and everyone but SandySadler knows it. Best to judge fighters by their entire portfolio vs their weakest moment. In boxing one small slip up and your entire rep changes. But Oscar had his weak moments as well....both were great. Oscar being bigger would have an edge. Both were great champions.

Zoo sure as hell didn't think it was a "miracle"..he fled a rematch like a scalded dog

Vince took every punch in zoo's arsenal and still KO'd that overrated internet legend..

Oscar had his weak moments for sure..but he took WAY more chances than Zoo..Zoo never dared move up..even to fight the dreaded Corey Spinks.

Lets face it

Zoo was not the most competitive person in boxing..The guy had baby balls..

He even turned down Zab's offer for a crack at ALL THREE of his Welterweight belts..

He chose Hatton over Mayweather for cryin' out loud!!

Zoo never even tried to enter the Oscar sweepstakes..not only that..He was quiet as a mouse during Shane's reign at 147..

He was quiet as ghost jacking off in a sound-proof room when Vernon Forrest was Welter Champ

WHY DIDN'T THE GREAT KING KOSTYA BRING ALL THAT SKILL AND VAUNTED PUNCHING POWER 7LBS NORTH???

The guy NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT

Loki · Post by **Loki** » 09 Oct 2007, 20:31

SandySadler wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:
SandySadler wrote: dude fvck that clip..

Oscar would pick up right where Cool vince left off..

Where was Shitzsyu when Forrest was Champ at 147??

He couldn't even scrape together the courage to fight Spinks.

Well, Cool Vince could not have performed that miracle twice and everyone but SandySadler knows it. Best to judge fighters by their entire portfolio vs their weakest moment. In boxing one small slip up and your entire rep changes. But Oscar had his weak moments as well....both were great. Oscar being bigger would have an edge. Both were great champions.
Zoo sure as hell didn't think it was a "miracle"..he fled a rematch like a scalded dog

Vince took every punch in zoo's arsenal and still KO'd that overrated internet legend..

Oscar had his weak moments for sure..but he took WAY more chances than Zoo..Zoo never dared move up..even to fight the dreaded Corey Spinks.

Lets face it

Zoo was not the most competitive person in boxing..The guy had baby balls..

He even turned down Zab's offer for a crack at ALL THREE of his Welterweight belts..

Yeah, maybe Judah might have given us the Foxtrot this time. Oscar and Kostya are both legends. The fight should have happened and it would have been close. Sadler your a brainless, Euro-hating, racist fool.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Oct 2007, 20:34

SandySadler wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:
SandySadler wrote: dude fvck that clip..

Oscar would pick up right where Cool vince left off..

Where was Shitzsyu when Forrest was Champ at 147??

He couldn't even scrape together the courage to fight Spinks.

Well, Cool Vince could not have performed that miracle twice and everyone but SandySadler knows it. Best to judge fighters by their entire portfolio vs their weakest moment. In boxing one small slip up and your entire rep changes. But Oscar had his weak moments as well....both were great. Oscar being bigger would have an edge. Both were great champions.
Zoo sure as hell didn't think it was a "miracle"..he fled a rematch like a scalded dog

Vince took every punch in zoo's arsenal and still KO'd that overrated internet legend..

Oscar had his weak moments for sure..but he took WAY more chances than Zoo..Zoo never dared move up..even to fight the dreaded Corey Spinks.

Lets face it

Zoo was not the most competitive person in boxing..The guy had baby balls..

He even turned down Zab's offer for a crack at ALL THREE of his Welterweight belts..

He chose Hatton over Mayweather for cryin' out loud!!

Zoo never even tried to enter the Oscar sweepstakes..not only that..He was quiet as a mouse during Shane's reign at 147..

He was quiet as ghost jacking off in a sound-proof room when Vernon Forrest was Welter Champ

WHY DIDN'T THE GREAT KING KOSTYA BRING ALL THAT SKILL AND VAUNTED PUNCHING POWER 7LBS NORTH???

The guy NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT

Passionate....yet misguided and less than fully informed sentiment. However we all know that "Allah loves wonderous variety"*....in all catagories including opinions.

*Quote from the movie "Robin Hood".

thismodernlove · Post by **thismodernlove** » 09 Oct 2007, 20:55

kostya tszyu boxing is like garry kasparov playing chess

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 09 Oct 2007, 21:04

thismodernlove wrote:kostya tszyu boxing is like garry kasparov playing chess

I would just about agree, though when he found he had power he seemed to relax a little and depend on it perhaps too much on at least one occasion. But honestly who wouldn't? I think he really discovered his power along the way and he made a slight conversion. If he would have maintained his boxing first approach would it have made his career better? Not likely. And it certainly would have been a lot more boring run for him, at least from this fan's point of view.

nestingus · Post by **nestingus** » 09 Oct 2007, 23:09

SandySadler wrote:Zoo sure as hell didn't think it was a "miracle"..he fled a rematch like a scalded dog

Vince took every punch in zoo's arsenal and still KO'd that overrated internet legend..

Oscar had his weak moments for sure..but he took WAY more chances than Zoo..Zoo never dared move up..even to fight the dreaded Corey Spinks.

Lets face it

Zoo was not the most competitive person in boxing..The guy had baby balls..

He even turned down Zab's offer for a crack at ALL THREE of his Welterweight belts..

He chose Hatton over Mayweather for cryin' out loud!!

Zoo never even tried to enter the Oscar sweepstakes..not only that..He was quiet as a mouse during Shane's reign at 147..

He was quiet as ghost jacking off in a sound-proof room when Vernon Forrest was Welter Champ

WHY DIDN'T THE GREAT KING KOSTYA BRING ALL THAT SKILL AND VAUNTED PUNCHING POWER 7LBS NORTH???

The guy NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT

He beat Judah, and in two!

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 10 Oct 2007, 04:14

SandySadler wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:
SandySadler wrote: dude fvck that clip..

Oscar would pick up right where Cool vince left off..

Where was Shitzsyu when Forrest was Champ at 147??

He couldn't even scrape together the courage to fight Spinks.

Well, Cool Vince could not have performed that miracle twice and everyone but SandySadler knows it. Best to judge fighters by their entire portfolio vs their weakest moment. In boxing one small slip up and your entire rep changes. But Oscar had his weak moments as well....both were great. Oscar being bigger would have an edge. Both were great champions.

Zoo sure as hell didn't think it was a "miracle"..he fled a rematch like a scalded dog

Vince took every punch in zoo's arsenal and still KO'd that overrated internet legend..

Oscar had his weak moments for sure..but he took WAY more chances than Zoo..Zoo never dared move up..even to fight the dreaded Corey Spinks.

Lets face it

Zoo was not the most competitive person in boxing..The guy had baby balls..

He even turned down Zab's offer for a crack at ALL THREE of his Welterweight belts..

He chose Hatton over Mayweather for cryin' out loud!!

Zoo never even tried to enter the Oscar sweepstakes..not only that..He was quiet as a mouse during Shane's reign at 147..

He was quiet as ghost jacking off in a sound-proof room when Vernon Forrest was Welter Champ

WHY DIDN'T THE GREAT KING KOSTYA BRING ALL THAT SKILL AND VAUNTED PUNCHING POWER 7LBS NORTH???

The guy NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT

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i suppose being the first fighter to unify the 3 belts in the division is being great people get so caught up in this moving up weights. why did shanr skip 140 and go straight to 147? why should kostya of moved up weights... hagler, monzon, pep, hamed, buchanon and countless others never moved up weight but are still considered great kostya was a world champion as an amatuer and pro at the same weight how many fighters can say that... i guess that because hes not american YOU dont rate him

and yes u are a BRAINLESS FOOL

Pong · Post by **Pong** » 10 Oct 2007, 06:49

SandySadler wrote:
G0mez wrote:I put that clip up.

Tszyu was the daddy in his prime and anyone who thinks taller men like Oscar would rumble him at welter, i'd suggest they take a peep at that.
dude fvck that clip..

Oscar would pick up right where Cool vince left off..

Where was Shitzsyu when Forrest was Champ at 147??

Hiding with Oscar.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 10 Oct 2007, 07:07

SandySadler wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:
SandySadler wrote: dude fvck that clip..

Oscar would pick up right where Cool vince left off..

Where was Shitzsyu when Forrest was Champ at 147??

He couldn't even scrape together the courage to fight Spinks.

Well, Cool Vince could not have performed that miracle twice and everyone but SandySadler knows it. Best to judge fighters by their entire portfolio vs their weakest moment. In boxing one small slip up and your entire rep changes. But Oscar had his weak moments as well....both were great. Oscar being bigger would have an edge. Both were great champions.
Zoo sure as hell didn't think it was a "miracle"..he fled a rematch like a scalded dog

Vince took every punch in zoo's arsenal and still KO'd that overrated internet legend..

Oscar had his weak moments for sure..but he took WAY more chances than Zoo..Zoo never dared move up..even to fight the dreaded Corey Spinks.

Lets face it

Zoo was not the most competitive person in boxing..The guy had baby balls..

He even turned down Zab's offer for a crack at ALL THREE of his Welterweight belts..

He chose Hatton over Mayweather for cryin' out loud!!

Zoo never even tried to enter the Oscar sweepstakes..not only that..He was quiet as a mouse during Shane's reign at 147..

He was quiet as ghost jacking off in a sound-proof room when Vernon Forrest was Welter Champ

WHY DIDN'T THE GREAT KING KOSTYA BRING ALL THAT SKILL AND VAUNTED PUNCHING POWER 7LBS NORTH???

The guy NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT

Its quit clear that Tszyu didnt prepare right for that fight, If you actually took your head out of your ass and looked into it .
He didnt train properly as he was being sued by his promoter and got beaten by a guy he obvoiusly underestimated. Johhnny Lewis his trainer wanted him to pull out of the fight before it even happened as he thought there training had been compomised. Tszyu was in court until a few weeks before the fight and trained at night instead of his usual 2 training sessions a day.

SandySadler · Post by **SandySadler** » 10 Oct 2007, 14:49

ben k wrote:
SandySadler wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:
Well, Cool Vince could not have performed that miracle twice and everyone but SandySadler knows it. Best to judge fighters by their entire portfolio vs their weakest moment. In boxing one small slip up and your entire rep changes. But Oscar had his weak moments as well....both were great. Oscar being bigger would have an edge. Both were great champions.
Zoo sure as hell didn't think it was a "miracle"..he fled a rematch like a scalded dog

Vince took every punch in zoo's arsenal and still KO'd that overrated internet legend..

Oscar had his weak moments for sure..but he took WAY more chances than Zoo..Zoo never dared move up..even to fight the dreaded Corey Spinks.

Lets face it

Zoo was not the most competitive person in boxing..The guy had baby balls..

He even turned down Zab's offer for a crack at ALL THREE of his Welterweight belts..

He chose Hatton over Mayweather for cryin' out loud!!

Zoo never even tried to enter the Oscar sweepstakes..not only that..He was quiet as a mouse during Shane's reign at 147..

He was quiet as ghost jacking off in a sound-proof room when Vernon Forrest was Welter Champ

WHY DIDN'T THE GREAT KING KOSTYA BRING ALL THAT SKILL AND VAUNTED PUNCHING POWER 7LBS NORTH???

The guy NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT
Its quit clear that Tszyu didnt prepare right for that fight, If you actually took your head out of your ass and looked into it .
He didnt train properly as he was being sued by his promoter and got beaten by a guy he obvoiusly underestimated. Johhnny Lewis his trainer wanted him to pull out of the fight before it even happened as he thought there training had been compomised. Tszyu was in court until a few weeks before the fight and trained at night instead of his usual 2 training sessions a day.

Again with the excuses..

Zoo was in shape and PREPARED...he still got KTFO..

At least he wasn't living in his car and on crack like Vince Phillips..

If anybody wasn't prepared it was Vince..

So what if he had problems..Castillo has many problems going into the Hatton fight..Jeff Lacey had problems going into the Slappy Joe fight..

If Zoo had all those problems..why didn't he PROVE IT by rematching Phillips??

He could have done so instead of fighting and STRUGGLING with super-featherweight Jesse James Leija..

SandySadler · Post by **SandySadler** » 10 Oct 2007, 15:00

p4p1 wrote:
SandySadler wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:
Well, Cool Vince could not have performed that miracle twice and everyone but SandySadler knows it. Best to judge fighters by their entire portfolio vs their weakest moment. In boxing one small slip up and your entire rep changes. But Oscar had his weak moments as well....both were great. Oscar being bigger would have an edge. Both were great champions.
Zoo sure as hell didn't think it was a "miracle"..he fled a rematch like a scalded dog

Vince took every punch in zoo's arsenal and still KO'd that overrated internet legend..

Oscar had his weak moments for sure..but he took WAY more chances than Zoo..Zoo never dared move up..even to fight the dreaded Corey Spinks.

Lets face it

Zoo was not the most competitive person in boxing..The guy had baby balls..

He even turned down Zab's offer for a crack at ALL THREE of his Welterweight belts..

He chose Hatton over Mayweather for cryin' out loud!!

Zoo never even tried to enter the Oscar sweepstakes..not only that..He was quiet as a mouse during Shane's reign at 147..

He was quiet as ghost jacking off in a sound-proof room when Vernon Forrest was Welter Champ

WHY DIDN'T THE GREAT KING KOSTYA BRING ALL THAT SKILL AND VAUNTED PUNCHING POWER 7LBS NORTH???

The guy NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT [/quo
i suppose being the first fighter to unify the 3 belts in the division is being great people get so caught up in this moving up weights. why did shanr skip 140 and go straight to 147? why should kostya of moved up weights... hagler, monzon, pep, hamed, buchanon and countless others never moved up weight but are still considered great kostya was a world champion as an amatuer and pro at the same weight how many fighters can say that... i guess that because hes not american YOU dont rate him

and yes u are a BRAINLESS FOOL

Only a brainless fool would think Shane skipped 140 because of Cool Vince's bitch

Shane skipped 140 to fight a much bigger and better fighter than Queen Kostya

WHY DIDN'T ZOO CALL SHANE OUT??He obviously wasn't as confident as his fans..

He even backpeddled on a Corey Spinks bout

Zoo held those titles HOSTAGE..All he has to show for his "reign" are wins against previously KO'd LIGHTWEIGHT Mitchell..and Zab Judah..Who was almost KO'd by the dreaded Jan Bergman

You mentioning Zoo's shitty name alongside Hagler and Monzon is crackhead reasoning

Those guys were never cold-cocked by homeless crack addicts

Zoo was against moving up..and gets credit for not doing so..but..he sure as hell wasn't against FIGHTING SMALLER FIGHTERS ON THE MOVE UP..

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 10 Oct 2007, 15:51

SandySadler wrote:
p4p1 wrote:
SandySadler wrote: Zoo sure as hell didn't think it was a "miracle"..he fled a rematch like a scalded dog

Vince took every punch in zoo's arsenal and still KO'd that overrated internet legend..

Oscar had his weak moments for sure..but he took WAY more chances than Zoo..Zoo never dared move up..even to fight the dreaded Corey Spinks.

Lets face it

Zoo was not the most competitive person in boxing..The guy had baby balls..

He even turned down Zab's offer for a crack at ALL THREE of his Welterweight belts..

He chose Hatton over Mayweather for cryin' out loud!!

Zoo never even tried to enter the Oscar sweepstakes..not only that..He was quiet as a mouse during Shane's reign at 147..

He was quiet as ghost jacking off in a sound-proof room when Vernon Forrest was Welter Champ

WHY DIDN'T THE GREAT KING KOSTYA BRING ALL THAT SKILL AND VAUNTED PUNCHING POWER 7LBS NORTH???

The guy NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT [/quo
i suppose being the first fighter to unify the 3 belts in the division is being great people get so caught up in this moving up weights. why did shanr skip 140 and go straight to 147? why should kostya of moved up weights... hagler, monzon, pep, hamed, buchanon and countless others never moved up weight but are still considered great kostya was a world champion as an amatuer and pro at the same weight how many fighters can say that... i guess that because hes not american YOU dont rate him

and yes u are a BRAINLESS FOOL
Only a brainless fool would think Shane skipped 140 because of Cool Vince's bitch

Shane skipped 140 to fight a much bigger and better fighter than Queen Kostya

WHY DIDN'T ZOO CALL SHANE OUT??He obviously wasn't as confident as his fans..

He even backpeddled on a Corey Spinks bout

Zoo held those titles HOSTAGE..All he has to show for his "reign" are wins against previously KO'd LIGHTWEIGHT Mitchell..and Zab Judah..Who was almost KO'd by the dreaded Jan Bergman

You mentioning Zoo's shitty name alongside Hagler and Monzon is crackhead reasoning

Those guys were never cold-cocked by homeless crack addicts

Zoo was against moving up..and gets credit for not doing so..but..he sure as hell wasn't against FIGHTING SMALLER FIGHTERS ON THE MOVE UP..

Kostya is one of the more difficult figther to harbor resentment against....and yet you seem to do it with ease. Your skills as a grump are hard to top.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Oct 2007, 16:17

SandySadler wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:
SandySadler wrote: dude fvck that clip..

Oscar would pick up right where Cool vince left off..

Where was Shitzsyu when Forrest was Champ at 147??

He couldn't even scrape together the courage to fight Spinks.

Well, Cool Vince could not have performed that miracle twice and everyone but SandySadler knows it. Best to judge fighters by their entire portfolio vs their weakest moment. In boxing one small slip up and your entire rep changes. But Oscar had his weak moments as well....both were great. Oscar being bigger would have an edge. Both were great champions.
Zoo sure as hell didn't think it was a "miracle"..he fled a rematch like a scalded dog

Vince took every punch in zoo's arsenal and still KO'd that overrated internet legend..

Oscar had his weak moments for sure..but he took WAY more chances than Zoo..Zoo never dared move up..even to fight the dreaded Corey Spinks.

Lets face it

Zoo was not the most competitive person in boxing..The guy had baby balls..

He even turned down Zab's offer for a crack at ALL THREE of his Welterweight belts..

He chose Hatton over Mayweather for cryin' out loud!!

Zoo never even tried to enter the Oscar sweepstakes..not only that..He was quiet as a mouse during Shane's reign at 147..

He was quiet as ghost jacking off in a sound-proof room when Vernon Forrest was Welter Champ

WHY DIDN'T THE GREAT KING KOSTYA BRING ALL THAT SKILL AND VAUNTED PUNCHING POWER 7LBS NORTH???

The guy NEVER DARED TO BE GREAT

Phillips risked everything with a kamikaze effort and it paid off. the man was crazy but the gamble worked.

Tszyu didn't need to move up to be great. He stopped his excellent peers Mitchell and Zab. Why be a welter when he's made for light welter?

Oscar was skinny as hell at 140 and couldn't sustain an attack. Tszyu would have torn his body to pieces and Kostya is a more skilled, accurate guy with a better offensive arsenal.

Jesus Fecking Christ, Oscar leans forward, gives away his height and reach and would have been made into mincemeat. He never even wanted to face Nazarov, never mind Tszyu.

Oscar certainly had weak moments. Felix Sturm anyone? How about running about 20 miles rather than let Felix Trinidad fight him? How about Mosley on steroids vs DLH II and having a comedown "with a monkey on my back" vs Wright? (the value of moving up in weight, getting pushed around by bigger guys...)

Tszyu dominated an excellent division. Weight hopping is a bit gimmicky and you have to admire fighters for the discipline of remaining in one weight class.

Sandy you must be the crackhead - Tszyu nearly KO'd by Jan Bergman. You're in fantasy land.