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Khaosai-Galaxy · Post by **Khaosai-Galaxy** » 25 Oct 2007, 03:54

You didnt, i wish you would tho

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 25 Oct 2007, 04:15

If that is you Wilson, most guys on this thread are calling on Warren to pick you as we consider it a legit challenge. It does say a lot for you that they will try to badmouth you and then push for Sellers and Calloway.

And Autobahn, how else is Wilson supposed to drum up support for a push at Enzo? The internet is the best place to do it.

Although he should probably try to avoid getting into long discussions with Max, it'll drive him insane

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 25 Oct 2007, 05:31

Ding wrote:
Autobarn wrote:Wilson's acting like a dumb arsed keyboard warrior. Why don't they just beat up this fat yank? Come on Warren, bring in Wilson & have Enzo batter him!

Do you guys still not have a clue as to why Warren has gone to 8 other fighters besides me?? Oh, I forgot, it would be to easy for Enzo. LOL

Yes you're right, I'm quite a retard. I just need love. 8)

BTW, I totally respect you guys heavily supporting your man. He's a much improved fighter.

I apologise for the language, DW

But:

You could be setting yourself up as the fall guy. You know what will happen? They'll make you his next big super fight. Us Brits respect your abilities- we had a thread on your KO of Nwodo and a lot of us wanted Enzo to fight you next - but we were wanting Enzo's BIG fight to be someone like Huck, Bell, etc

I wanted him to fight you- you're top 10 in the world and have a v good 4-win streak - you'd be an acceptable foe after he dominated Braithwaite. But you're egging on ppl who just don't know any better.

Enzo Macca dissed you even though he was going to fight Sellers. I don't think they're scared. More like ignorance.

Warren is a 1 at a time promoter. He'll say "wait and see." They are not cowering at the thought of fighting you. They'll pick a shit opponent and fight you afterward. They just please themselves because they know 60,000 will turn up whether Enzo's fighting you (good opponent) or Calloway/Sellers (totally unacceptable) or David Haye/Huck/Bell (prefered opponent).

The fans are buying tickets for Calzaghe-Kessler.

Warren is the most annoying of promoters but I just think he's focusing on one of the biggest fights in European history. He probably thought you were a perennial nearly man because of losses to Cora & several others...The winning streak you're on makes you hard to define, dangerous even. They don't quite know what is in store, but when they do, I actually think you will get the call.

As a British fan, my experience tells me Warrne will make a quality fight when he wants. That's very frustrating, it makes his undercards hard to watch, but it's just how he does it.

It's too easy to say, "Hey, he's a good fighter, let's make Enzo-Wilson"!

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 25 Oct 2007, 05:37

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:You didnt, i wish you would tho

From memory is was about a grandma, a jacket potato and a dustbin man...honestly, he's really funny and he's sends them to me day and night. I know him honest I do.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 25 Oct 2007, 05:42

FW should bring the Ding-A-Ling over IMO, with Hide and Frag being second and third choices

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 25 Oct 2007, 05:51

Lenny wrote:If that is you Wilson, most guys on this thread are calling on Warren to pick you as we consider it a legit challenge. It does say a lot for you that they will try to badmouth you and then push for Sellers and Calloway.

And Autobahn, how else is Wilson supposed to drum up support for a push at Enzo? The internet is the best place to do it.

Although he should probably try to avoid getting into long discussions with Max, it'll drive him insane

Fair enough Lenny.

But we all know what Warren matching his fighters is like. They were terrified of Lacy weren't they, as well? They make the move when they want it, not when we want it. Then what will happen? Maybe Enzo's sticks out a long jab all night, takes some hard shots late in the fight and wins a decision in a long awaited "super fight."

Let's face it, Wilson won't get a fight until they know everything there is to know about him.

In other words not making the fight doesn't mean they're scared and that Wilson deserves the title.

Also, on ESB, they have been very disparaging of Enzo ie "losing to a total tomato can (Swaby)" which I didn't like the sound of.

Anyone who's followed Swaby will know he's a guy who had early losses (like Wilson, but a lot more losses) and then peaked with some good performances/wins.

I just think this ESB thing has gone out of control and it pissed me off.

I wanted Enzo to fight Wilson, Hide or Roman Greenberg in Nov, after Cunningham was out.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 25 Oct 2007, 05:52

DavidPayne wrote:
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:You didnt, i wish you would tho
From memory is was about a grandma, a jacket potato and a dustbin man...honestly, he's really funny and he's sends them to me day and night. I know him honest I do.

wow dave, im really envious that you know jack dempseys clone, i once had a text message from an unknown number, i was excited and did some investigations as to who had sent it, i was right, it was a famous boxer, it was william webster, what a fighter he was.

he lets me call him bill.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 25 Oct 2007, 06:06

As I said to Sugar Ray last week, me and Willie are like that.

Ding · Post by **Ding** » 25 Oct 2007, 06:43

Just for the record, I wouldn't really say that Enzo is afraid, more leary if anything. You never really completely forget things that happen to you in previous fights, although he is vastly improved. There are certain parts of your body that will never really improve much. He is a fighters fighter though. He will fight your azz to the end. I like watching him fight.

However, I know that Warren is afraid of what will happen. Especially that fact that it wouldn't be a high stakes fight. He told my promoter on the phone that I was too much of a risk after giving us the run around for a few days. That when I preceded to call Enzo out publicly and he responded talking some bs a couple days later. Saying I wasn't deserving amongst other things, only set up a fight with Sellers.

To the person who said that I have not faced a guy that hits as hard as Enzo......LOL

Two definitely hit harder maybe three.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 25 Oct 2007, 06:55

As i said earlier 'Ding' , i can't see any of the title holders facing you in a voluntary, the way i can see you getting a title fight is to get a mandatory position and force the holder to face you . good luck

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 25 Oct 2007, 07:03

Wouldn't you be worried about Enzo Calzaghe's genius turning Mac Into Lennox Lewis mode again like with Braithwaite?

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 25 Oct 2007, 07:05

Ding wrote:Just for the record, I wouldn't really say that Enzo is afraid, more leary if anything. You never really completely forget things that happen to you in previous fights, although he is vastly improved. There are certain parts of your body that will never really improve much. He is a fighters fighter though. He will fight your azz to the end. I like watching him fight.

However, I know that Warren is afraid of what will happen. Especially that fact that it wouldn't be a high stakes fight. He told my promoter on the phone that I was too much of a risk after giving us the run around for a few days. That when I preceded to call Enzo out publicly and he responded talking some bs a couple days later. Saying I wasn't deserving amongst other things, only set up a fight with Sellers.

To the person who said that I have not faced a guy that hits as hard as Enzo......LOL

Two definitely hit harder maybe three.

This is why boxing is the most frustrating sport on the planet. Mostt of FW's fighters are guided through the ranks with military precision, his attitude of not risking a fighter unless it is absolutely necessary or unavoidable is great for his fighters and his bank balances, but its shit for the sport and the fans

Go on Frank take a voluntary risk and entertain the fans

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 25 Oct 2007, 07:11

I'll bet it's Enzo-Wilson next year.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 25 Oct 2007, 07:16

his attitude of not risking a fighter unless it is absolutely necessary or unavoidable

When there world champs, It's not good. But It seems to prepare them well and shows If they really are world class and If they do become world class then there not battered and bruised by the time their there then.

Plus he doesn't put them In with someone who he knows Is too good for them.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 25 Oct 2007, 07:16

Autobarn wrote:I'll bet it's Enzo-Wilson next year.

I can't understand why they've turned him down for this one especially for being too much of a risk, Enzos supposed to be a World Champ FFS.

Its the perfect example of the anti-warrior attitude IMO

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 25 Oct 2007, 07:21

Max Molyneux wrote:
his attitude of not risking a fighter unless it is absolutely necessary or unavoidable
When there world champs, It's not good. But It seems to prepare them well and shows If they really are world class and If they do become world class then there not battered and bruised by the time their there then.

Its just that everybody has fell asleep and lost interest in them after watching them in meaningless contests for 5 years. Prospects have to be matched reasonably sensibly, but FW takes the piss IMO, the odd risk along the way is good for the sport. The O is not the be all and end all.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 25 Oct 2007, 07:43

He doesn't have his fighters destroyed like most promoters too though. If their truly good enough he'll step them up.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 25 Oct 2007, 07:47

Sod the fans hey Max, what do they matter?

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 25 Oct 2007, 07:52

Lenny wrote:Sod the fans hey Max, what do they matter?

Sounds like my posts are getting misunderstood again.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 25 Oct 2007, 08:03

Make more sense then

You say Warren puts his fighters in fights he knows they can win until they can get a fight for a title against someone he thinks is past his prime. He'll then get them to defend their title against has beens and nobodies. Sounds great for us fans doesn't it

But Calzaghe is fighting Kessler so maybe when Enzo is 35 after years of fighting nobodies we might see him in a career defining fight

As Autobahn said Wilson will probably be hyped as a superfight when really he should be the minimum requirement

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 25 Oct 2007, 08:40

Strip away the multiple belts and Kessler and Lacy are, in truth, hungry young contenders. Not superstars.

In Enzo's division, strip away all the belts and Enzo is, in truth, a hungry young contender. Not a superstar.

All that said, I've really grown an appreciation of Enzo, his desire for improvement and his desire to face solid opponents.

I believe he wanted Haye, but Haye wasn't offered terms he could accept or at times when the cards were very obviously stacked against him.

Mormeck versus Haye is the title fight and the sooner lunatics like us stop paying homage to these OTHER puppet belts the better. It hypes up fights in to super-fights and mismatches into title fights and one-sided exhibitions into voluntary defences.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 25 Oct 2007, 09:10

I don't know. Hard to call Kessler a young contender (albeit hungry) when he took on a world class challenger each time, unified two belts and even faced a tough mandatory that belonged in the world top ten.

Take away the Lacy win (which was outstanding) and Calzaghe's reign has been very sub par the last 4 years.

SN have this horrible little pattern of letting us get so pissed off we trash their fighters, then proving us wrong with a big performance when it's almost too late for us to care.

Wilson is getting a bit of cult status because of his career resurgence (wins over 2 former world class fighters and a KO of the year) and because of the PR disaster that are Warren fighters, but if we've learned anything Warren can be vindicative (hence getting Sellers-who-beat-Thompson-who-beat-Haye...). When this defense is out of the way (could well be a light heavy, as Terry says), they will probably bring DW over for Enzo, who has the tools to win clear enough, thus getting him back for the ESB uproar.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 25 Oct 2007, 12:05

Am I the only person who would rather see Frag than Wilson. Nether of them are good enough to fight for a world title (not that in truth this is one) but Frag has proved his quality and even in his loss took the current real world title challenger 9 rounds and since then has had two fights one of which is against a fringe european class fighter in Rossitto.

Wilson beat brown who was already comming off a loss. Just my thoughts

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 25 Oct 2007, 12:21

josh fg wrote:Am I the only person who would rather see Frag than Wilson. Nether of them are good enough to fight for a world title (not that in truth this is one) but Frag has proved his quality and even in his loss took the current real world title challenger 9 rounds and since then has had two fights one of which is against a fringe european class fighter in Rossitto.

Wilson beat brown who was already comming off a loss. Just my thoughts

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but fom what I've seen, both Frag and Ding would get outboxed from range against Enzo, but Wilsons got the equaliser, so it adds a bit more uncertainty about the result.

I'd be happy with either of them at this stage tbh

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 25 Oct 2007, 12:51

Ding has said on the current scene that he would take the fight for $50-75k with options
Apparently Calloway turned down $75k