joe kurtz wrote:Good work Kym, I love this one as well.
Me? I'm going with Norton via W12 or perhaps even a latter round TKO.
Though Lyle was ,indeed, the sort of big puncher that could trouble Kenny, I just don't see him as the quick starter & lethal finisher than Foreman, Shavers & Cooney were. One needs only to look at his record to see that.
IMO Lyle was just a shade below the class of the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Nortons & Youngs of that elite class of the '70s. Though of that lot, I actually believe that he matched up best with Frazier. But, more on that later ...
For pure power, I think Lyle rated just below Foreman & Shavers, but as others said before me, he could be rather ponderous at times which didn't allow him to get his shots off in as destructive a manner. Evidenced by his having to go to decisions with Jimmy Ellis, Quarry, Larry Middleton twice ( after having previously stopped him in 3 ), Goyo Peralta twice, Scott Ledoux & others.
I think Norton could've & would've controlled this one with his underrated jab.
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Now back to the barn burner that would've been Frazier - Lyle. This one has war written all over it.
Styles make fights & this one would've been brutal for both men. With Frazier running into some of the same problems that he had against Foreman, but with Lyle not having the poleaxe jab nor the same aforementioned finishing ability as George.
But, Lyle was definitely big, strong & mean like Foreman & was a bigger hitter than Oscar Bonavena who troubled Smokin' Joe so much for 25 rounds. I go out on a limb on this one & go with Ron Lyle in an upset via TKO8.
dempseyfire wrote:I'm not saying Bobick is on the level of Lyle as an overall boxer, but his punching power was in that league. Bobick was a very hard puncher.
No offense, but Bobick’s power wasn’t in the same league as Lyle’s. He was a decent puncher who wore down his opponents.
joe kurtz wrote:Good work Kym, I love this one as well.
Me? I'm going with Norton via W12 or perhaps even a latter round TKO.
Though Lyle was ,indeed, the sort of big puncher that could trouble Kenny, I just don't see him as the quick starter & lethal finisher than Foreman, Shavers & Cooney were. One needs only to look at his record to see that.
IMO Lyle was just a shade below the class of the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Nortons & Youngs of that elite class of the '70s. Though of that lot, I actually believe that he matched up best with Frazier. But, more on that later ...
For pure power, I think Lyle rated just below Foreman & Shavers, but as others said before me, he could be rather ponderous at times which didn't allow him to get his shots off in as destructive a manner. Evidenced by his having to go to decisions with Jimmy Ellis, Quarry, Larry Middleton twice ( after having previously stopped him in 3 ), Goyo Peralta twice, Scott Ledoux & others.
I think Norton could've & would've controlled this one with his underrated jab.
...........................
Now back to the barn burner that would've been Frazier - Lyle. This one has war written all over it.
Styles make fights & this one would've been brutal for both men. With Frazier running into some of the same problems that he had against Foreman, but with Lyle not having the poleaxe jab nor the same aforementioned finishing ability as George.
But, Lyle was definitely big, strong & mean like Foreman & was a bigger hitter than Oscar Bonavena who troubled Smokin' Joe so much for 25 rounds. I go out on a limb on this one & go with Ron Lyle in an upset via TKO8.
Anyone else?
Good grief. You think Lyle would have lost to Norton, possibly by late stoppage, but somehow has enough stamina to endure and stop Frazier late? I'm sorry, but that just doens't make much sense.
1974-75 . .I give Lyle a very good chance. Frazier was slower and heavier in this period and Lyle's inside game was deadly. He could really explode with that right uppercut-left hook combination.
dempseyfire wrote:Lyle loses to a prime Frazier by KO.
1974-75 . .I give Lyle a very good chance. Frazier was slower and heavier in this period and Lyle's inside game was deadly. He could really explode with that right uppercut-left hook combination.
Good analysis. A prime Frazier would have probably been able to survive the early rounds as much by making Lyle hang on with his relentless attack as anything else. A mid-late rounds stoppage of a worn down Lyle seems likely. Of course there was the possibility that Lyle could have caught Joe early, but to me that doesn’t seem like the probable outcome.
And yes, an older and slower Frazier would probably have been caught.
joe kurtz wrote:Good work Kym, I love this one as well.
Me? I'm going with Norton via W12 or perhaps even a latter round TKO.
Though Lyle was ,indeed, the sort of big puncher that could trouble Kenny, I just don't see him as the quick starter & lethal finisher than Foreman, Shavers & Cooney were. One needs only to look at his record to see that.
IMO Lyle was just a shade below the class of the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Nortons & Youngs of that elite class of the '70s. Though of that lot, I actually believe that he matched up best with Frazier. But, more on that later ...
For pure power, I think Lyle rated just below Foreman & Shavers, but as others said before me, he could be rather ponderous at times which didn't allow him to get his shots off in as destructive a manner. Evidenced by his having to go to decisions with Jimmy Ellis, Quarry, Larry Middleton twice ( after having previously stopped him in 3 ), Goyo Peralta twice, Scott Ledoux & others.
I think Norton could've & would've controlled this one with his underrated jab.
...........................
Now back to the barn burner that would've been Frazier - Lyle. This one has war written all over it.
Styles make fights & this one would've been brutal for both men. With Frazier running into some of the same problems that he had against Foreman, but with Lyle not having the poleaxe jab nor the same aforementioned finishing ability as George.
But, Lyle was definitely big, strong & mean like Foreman & was a bigger hitter than Oscar Bonavena who troubled Smokin' Joe so much for 25 rounds. I go out on a limb on this one & go with Ron Lyle in an upset via TKO8.
Anyone else?
Good grief. You think Lyle would have lost to Norton, possibly by late stoppage, but somehow has enough stamina to endure and stop Frazier late? I'm sorry, but that just doens't make much sense.
joe kurtz wrote:Good work Kym, I love this one as well.
Me? I'm going with Norton via W12 or perhaps even a latter round TKO.
Though Lyle was ,indeed, the sort of big puncher that could trouble Kenny, I just don't see him as the quick starter & lethal finisher than Foreman, Shavers & Cooney were. One needs only to look at his record to see that.
IMO Lyle was just a shade below the class of the Alis, Foremans, Fraziers, Nortons & Youngs of that elite class of the '70s. Though of that lot, I actually believe that he matched up best with Frazier. But, more on that later ...
For pure power, I think Lyle rated just below Foreman & Shavers, but as others said before me, he could be rather ponderous at times which didn't allow him to get his shots off in as destructive a manner. Evidenced by his having to go to decisions with Jimmy Ellis, Quarry, Larry Middleton twice ( after having previously stopped him in 3 ), Goyo Peralta twice, Scott Ledoux & others.
I think Norton could've & would've controlled this one with his underrated jab.
...........................
Now back to the barn burner that would've been Frazier - Lyle. This one has war written all over it.
Styles make fights & this one would've been brutal for both men. With Frazier running into some of the same problems that he had against Foreman, but with Lyle not having the poleaxe jab nor the same aforementioned finishing ability as George.
But, Lyle was definitely big, strong & mean like Foreman & was a bigger hitter than Oscar Bonavena who troubled Smokin' Joe so much for 25 rounds. I go out on a limb on this one & go with Ron Lyle in an upset via TKO8.
Anyone else?
Good grief. You think Lyle would have lost to Norton, possibly by late stoppage, but somehow has enough stamina to endure and stop Frazier late? I'm sorry, but that just doens't make much sense.
The Great John L wrote:
Good grief. You think Lyle would have lost to Norton, possibly by late stoppage, but somehow has enough stamina to endure and stop Frazier late? I'm sorry, but that just doens't make much sense.
