Strange scoring

rooney · Post by **rooney** » 26 Oct 2007, 13:55

Whats the strangest scoring of a boxin bout youve ever come across?

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 26 Oct 2007, 14:07

seen plenty Robin Reid vs Sven Ottke was fairly diabolical Lewis Hollyfild also pretty bad. Sometimes its done in good faith and judges just don't see it but ceratinly Reid Ottke seemed a bit dodgey to me.

Roony are you trying to get to 1,000 posts quicker than anyone else.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 26 Oct 2007, 14:27

I don't think the scoring of Reid-Ottke was particularly dodgy to be honest it was the referee that caused the problems that night. I was saddened to see Penalosa so widely outpointed by Ponce De Leon. It confirmed my fear that the American judges really are looking for the mindless come forward aggression sometimes as the art of Boxing and moving becomes more and more stigmatised.

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 26 Oct 2007, 16:47

Chavez v Whitaker by a country mile. Even the 100,000 crowd thought Chavez lost!

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 26 Oct 2007, 18:25

steve689 wrote:I don't think the scoring of Reid-Ottke was particularly dodgy to be honest it was the referee that caused the problems that night. I was saddened to see Penalosa so widely outpointed by Ponce De Leon. It confirmed my fear that the American judges really are looking for the mindless come forward aggression sometimes as the art of Boxing and moving becomes more and more stigmatised.

Final score wasn't dodgy, but HOW they came to the final totals was. Apparently, Ottke was awarded all (or most) of the early rounds, Reid the latter.

I think EVERYONE I have spoken too had it the other way round.

Some "controvesial" cards that I had no problems with - Leonard vs Hearns II, Mayweather vs Castillo 1, Barrera vs Morales II.

states · Post by **states** » 26 Oct 2007, 19:20

I was just about to mention that Stu. It really did seem as if the judges had the winner decided beforehand, then tried to make it look a bit more even in Reid-Ottke.

The one I still can't understand is Damean Kelly vs. Simone Maludrottu (First fight). How the hell one judge had it 118-111 to Maludrottu amazes me. I think any win for the Italian would have been a wrong call, but that margin simply staggered me.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 26 Oct 2007, 21:08

stujones wrote:
steve689 wrote:I don't think the scoring of Reid-Ottke was particularly dodgy to be honest it was the referee that caused the problems that night. I was saddened to see Penalosa so widely outpointed by Ponce De Leon. It confirmed my fear that the American judges really are looking for the mindless come forward aggression sometimes as the art of Boxing and moving becomes more and more stigmatised.
Final score wasn't dodgy, but HOW they came to the final totals was. Apparently, Ottke was awarded all (or most) of the early rounds, Reid the latter.

I think EVERYONE I have spoken too had it the other way round.

Some "controvesial" cards that I had no problems with - Leonard vs Hearns II, Mayweather vs Castillo 1, Barrera vs Morales II.

I had reid up by 1 even with the point deducted however that was assuming a lot of even rounds went to Ottke and Reid should have won 1 or 2 of those.

WildWaylon · Post by **WildWaylon** » 28 Oct 2007, 10:40

Roony are you trying to get to 1,000 posts quicker than anyone else - No thats me

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 28 Oct 2007, 10:56

josh fg wrote:
stujones wrote:
steve689 wrote:I don't think the scoring of Reid-Ottke was particularly dodgy to be honest it was the referee that caused the problems that night. I was saddened to see Penalosa so widely outpointed by Ponce De Leon. It confirmed my fear that the American judges really are looking for the mindless come forward aggression sometimes as the art of Boxing and moving becomes more and more stigmatised.
Final score wasn't dodgy, but HOW they came to the final totals was. Apparently, Ottke was awarded all (or most) of the early rounds, Reid the latter.

I think EVERYONE I have spoken too had it the other way round.

Some "controvesial" cards that I had no problems with - Leonard vs Hearns II, Mayweather vs Castillo 1, Barrera vs Morales II.
I had reid up by 1 even with the point deducted however that was assuming a lot of even rounds went to Ottke and Reid should have won 1 or 2 of those.

That fight is one of the clear examples of what I think is a fix in boxing, and I can't think of many more. Ottke did absolutely nothing but run for the first 5 rounds, and Reid although hardly prolific, clearly won those rounds hands down. Yet after six, he was WAY behind on all cards.

After being warned repeatedly, including one warning for simply landing a left hook on Ottke, and then not being credited with a clear knockdown, Reid's trainer Brian Hughes, apparetly warned him he was going to get disqualified and urged him to be cautious.

Reid did little over the latter half of the fight, I'm guessing he was trying to find one shot to knock Ottke out, because he knew he wouldn't get a decision, but didn't want to get disqualified by the blatantly paid for referee.

Bizzarely, the judges then proceeded to give Reid something like 4 of the last 6 rounds, clearly, they were trying to even the scoring up after having given Ottke a big lead going into the 6th. Blatant corrupt officiating, I can think of no other plausible explanation for it.

Ally-M1 · Post by **Ally-M1** » 28 Oct 2007, 15:40

rooney wrote:Whats the strangest scoring of a boxin bout youve ever come across?

Lewis vs Holyfield 1

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 29 Oct 2007, 04:57

Ally-M1 wrote:
rooney wrote:Whats the strangest scoring of a boxin bout youve ever come across?
Lewis vs Holyfield 1

I've never found that one a strange one, i thought it was a fair result, i watched the fight whilst i was in Thailand , and didn't have any commentary on. I thought that Holyfield might even have edged it.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 29 Oct 2007, 05:05

jamesmcdonnell wrote:That fight is one of the clear examples of what I think is a fix in boxing, and I can't think of many more. Ottke did absolutely nothing but run for the first 5 rounds, and Reid although hardly prolific, clearly won those rounds hands down. Yet after six, he was WAY behind on all cards.

After being warned repeatedly, including one warning for simply landing a left hook on Ottke, and then not being credited with a clear knockdown, Reid's trainer Brian Hughes, apparetly warned him he was going to get disqualified and urged him to be cautious.

Reid did little over the latter half of the fight, I'm guessing he was trying to find one shot to knock Ottke out, because he knew he wouldn't get a decision, but didn't want to get disqualified by the blatantly paid for referee.

Bizzarely, the judges then proceeded to give Reid something like 4 of the last 6 rounds, clearly, they were trying to even the scoring up after having given Ottke a big lead going into the 6th. Blatant corrupt officiating, I can think of no other plausible explanation for it.

That one was the worst I've ever seen. I couldn't believe it when the ref warned Reid for hitting Ottke. Reid had 2 opponents in there that night and it was the ref who was doing him more harm.

oliverfennell · Post by **oliverfennell** » 29 Oct 2007, 05:05

Derry Matthews v John Simpson was mathematically impossible on one card.

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 29 Oct 2007, 05:23

What about Calagze vs. Reid, never saw it but remember controversy surrounding the scoring. Was it bad?

Saw a small hall fight involving Danny Goode vs. Terry Adams, Goode won this 77-75 but had a 10-7 round so already he was 3 rounds down and he didn't do anything to win the fight.

Old Bones Ian also saw this fight and was dismade by the scoring.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 29 Oct 2007, 05:44

Power leading Munyai at the stoppage of their first fight, thank christ that one didn't go the distance

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 29 Oct 2007, 06:24

How about this for strange scoring Jeff Fenech v Satoshi Shingaki, after 8 rounds the scores were Paul Moore 80-72 . judge: Ric Bays 80-72, judge: Kiyoshi Kazama 80-80

Fenech knocked out Shingaki in the 9th

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 29 Oct 2007, 10:42

Good call on Maludrottu-Kelly....disgraceful decision but the scoring

Can a bad decision be made worse by ridiculously wide scoring? I think so.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 29 Oct 2007, 10:52

Rubio winning on one of the judges scorecards against Ouma

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 29 Oct 2007, 11:14

I love the 80-80 story.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 29 Oct 2007, 11:22

Another one i found strange was the first Jeff Fenech v Azumah Nelson , it looked like Fenech had outworked Nelson . And after the fight ended Nelson hardly raised a hand, but he managed to scrape a draw thanks to judge Miguel Donate who had it 116-112 to Nelson, how he managed to only score 4 rounds to Fenech was amazing.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 30 Oct 2007, 04:17

Reid-Ottke disgusts me to this day.

Abbo · Post by **Abbo** » 30 Oct 2007, 04:45

Henry Wharton getting the nod over Fidel Castro Smith /Slugger O'Toole in 1992.

It was the proverbial hometown decision as it was fought at Elland Road in front of a frenzied Leeds crowd.

Smith absolutely boxed his head off. If Smith had been the star, and Wharton the opponent, I think it would have been almost a shut-out.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 30 Oct 2007, 05:13

Abbo wrote:Henry Wharton getting the nod over Fidel Castro Smith /Slugger O'Toole in 1992.

It was the proverbial hometown decision as it was fought at Elland Road in front of a frenzied Leeds crowd.

Smith absolutely boxed his head off. If Smith had been the star, and Wharton the opponent, I think it would have been almost a shut-out.

Good call, that was an awful decision. I think it took alot out of Fidal, as he never quite looked the same after that.

BigEars · Post by **BigEars** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:01

steve689 wrote:Good call on Maludrottu-Kelly....disgraceful decision but the scoring Can a bad decision be made worse by ridiculously wide scoring? I think so.

For me it's the worst decision I've ever seen .

118-110 , 117-111 and 116-112(if you give every round that Kelly didn't clearly dominate to Maludrottu) in Kelly's favour are the only acceptable scores for that fight imo . Well I suppose you could of given those 2 rounds I gave to Maluddrottu to Kelly so 119-109 and 120-108 might be acceptable to but 118-111 in favour of Maludrottu was basically a judge scoring a fight corruptly but trying to show everyone he did it too .

I still don't know how those judges didn't get lynched...........that fight was in Belfast after all .

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:09

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Reid-Ottke disgusts me to this day.

I had £10 on Reid and as a true Yorkshire man I'm still bitter!

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