Jr Middleweights: Julian Jackson vs John Mugabi

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 26 Oct 2007, 18:04

Who wins this fight between two of the hardest punchers the jr middleweight division ever had??? I call it a toss up. Who ever hits first, is the winner by KO.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 26 Oct 2007, 19:08

In their primes Mugabi had the better chin and was a better boxer.

Mugabi loved guys who came to him. Jackson was made for him.

For an example see Mugabi - Hargrove (a banger like Jackson)

Mugabi in the first.

Whoever won it wouldnt have gone past three.

theone · Post by **theone** » 26 Oct 2007, 21:20

Mugabi is overrated. Jackson was a much better fighter. Besides giving Hagler a tough time he didn't accomplish very much. Jackson ko 2.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 27 Oct 2007, 01:12

I wouldn't be surprised either way, but I would favor Jackson, and I agree with theone that Jackson was more accomplished. Compare how they did against Terry Norris, for one thing.

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 27 Oct 2007, 01:18

I Feel Fine wrote:I wouldn't be surprised either way, but I would favor Jackson, and I agree with theone that Jackson was more accomplished. Compare how they did against Terry Norris, for one thing.

I couldn't hold it in..but Mugabi was never the same fighter..after the Hagler fight...

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 27 Oct 2007, 01:25

Right. He was shot 20 something fights into his career, so Jackson accomplished a lot more. I didn't say that the Norris fights were the reason why I would favor Jackson in a head to head fight, I was just comparing them in terms of achievements.

Victor*KC · Post by **Victor*KC** » 27 Oct 2007, 01:29

I Feel Fine wrote:Right. He was shot 20 something fights into his career, so Jackson accomplished a lot more. I didn't say that the Norris fight was the reason why I would favor Jackson in a head to head fight, I was just comparing them in terms of achievements.

Oh my mistake I thought you ment..you were basing most of your pick on how well they did against Norris..

Evander · Post by **Evander** » 27 Oct 2007, 03:16

Jackson

Depends when the fight happens.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 27 Oct 2007, 05:09

I have almost all of Mugabi fights before he fought Hagler and the Beast before Hagler punished him up takes out Jackson in 4. John Mugabi was a very good fighter, brawled with Hargrove knocking him out in 1, knocked out 'The Animal' Fletcher with a devastating right hand bomb that sent him nearly out the ropes and was the first man to knock out Curtis Parker....and he took him out in 1 sending him flying out the ring.

Jackson has a chance to beat post Hagler Mugabi, but pre-Hagler Mugabi knocks him out nearly every time.

barry · Post by **barry** » 27 Oct 2007, 06:25

>>>I have almost all of Mugabi fights before he fought Hagler and the Beast before Hagler punished him up takes out Jackson in 4<<<

I don't think it would last four, nor do I think it is a fight where a clear-cut winner can be chosen. I think whoever lands the first big punch wins, which that could be either man. Both Jackson and Mugabi could end a fight with one punch from either fist, but they were not the most durable, though prior to Hagler, Mugabi seemed to be a bit more durable than Jackson, but against a puncher like Jackson a fighter better be damn durable, but in the end I doubt if either fighter could take the others best shot. A knockout win for whoever lands first within two rounds.

theone · Post by **theone** » 27 Oct 2007, 09:35

RazorKO wrote:I have almost all of Mugabi fights before he fought Hagler and the Beast before Hagler punished him up takes out Jackson in 4. John Mugabi was a very good fighter, brawled with Hargrove knocking him out in 1, knocked out 'The Animal' Fletcher with a devastating right hand bomb that sent him nearly out the ropes and was the first man to knock out Curtis Parker....and he took him out in 1 sending him flying out the ring.

Jackson has a chance to beat post Hagler Mugabi, but pre-Hagler Mugabi knocks him out nearly every time.

None of those fighters mentioned were as good or hit nearly as hard as Jackson. Even Hagler, although tougher and an all around better fighter than Jackson, did not hit nearly as hard as "The Hawk".
It took a great fighter like Mike McCallum, who was nearly ko'd himself, to beat Jackson in his prime. After that fight, Jackson still went on to have a great career. Mugabi didn't accomplish enough before the Hagler fight to suggest that he was shot after he fought Hagler.
Remember, Hagler was troubled more than once by fighters he should have destroyed.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 27 Oct 2007, 19:07

theone wrote:
RazorKO wrote:I have almost all of Mugabi fights before he fought Hagler and the Beast before Hagler punished him up takes out Jackson in 4. John Mugabi was a very good fighter, brawled with Hargrove knocking him out in 1, knocked out 'The Animal' Fletcher with a devastating right hand bomb that sent him nearly out the ropes and was the first man to knock out Curtis Parker....and he took him out in 1 sending him flying out the ring.

Jackson has a chance to beat post Hagler Mugabi, but pre-Hagler Mugabi knocks him out nearly every time.
None of those fighters mentioned were as good or hit nearly as hard as Jackson. Even Hagler, although tougher and an all around better fighter than Jackson, did not hit nearly as hard as "The Hawk".
It took a great fighter like Mike McCallum, who was nearly ko'd himself, to beat Jackson in his prime. After that fight, Jackson still went on to have a great career. Mugabi didn't accomplish enough before the Hagler fight to suggest that he was shot after he fought Hagler.
Remember, Hagler was troubled more than once by fighters he should have destroyed.

Jackson certainly has a punchers chance, but Mugabi proved he can take a good punch and certainly could punch just as hard as Jackson. Mugabi could probably afford to go toe to toe with Jackson but Jackson would have to box from a distance (Julian had exceptional boxing skills) but I see Mugabi cutting off the ring and finishing the Hawk off. Mugabi through the pre-Hagler fights and the Hagler fight itself proved that John could take a punch, Jackson was somewhat of a puncher stereotype - A hard hitter but couldnt take it on the recieving end.

Post-Hagler Mugabi however, I would bet my money on Jackson on taking Mugabi out.

Another interesting fight to consider would be Mugabi vs Benn in their primes - Another pure puncher matchup.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 28 Oct 2007, 16:30

I agree with RazorKO - never thought Id say that - the pre-Hagler Mugabi wins by KO, post-Hagler version loses by KO to Jackson. I dont see their fight going past 2 or 3 rounds

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 28 Oct 2007, 19:36

RazorKO wrote:
theone wrote:
RazorKO wrote:I have almost all of Mugabi fights before he fought Hagler and the Beast before Hagler punished him up takes out Jackson in 4. John Mugabi was a very good fighter, brawled with Hargrove knocking him out in 1, knocked out 'The Animal' Fletcher with a devastating right hand bomb that sent him nearly out the ropes and was the first man to knock out Curtis Parker....and he took him out in 1 sending him flying out the ring.

Jackson has a chance to beat post Hagler Mugabi, but pre-Hagler Mugabi knocks him out nearly every time.
None of those fighters mentioned were as good or hit nearly as hard as Jackson. Even Hagler, although tougher and an all around better fighter than Jackson, did not hit nearly as hard as "The Hawk".
It took a great fighter like Mike McCallum, who was nearly ko'd himself, to beat Jackson in his prime. After that fight, Jackson still went on to have a great career. Mugabi didn't accomplish enough before the Hagler fight to suggest that he was shot after he fought Hagler.
Remember, Hagler was troubled more than once by fighters he should have destroyed.
Jackson certainly has a punchers chance, but Mugabi proved he can take a good punch and certainly could punch just as hard as Jackson. Mugabi could probably afford to go toe to toe with Jackson but Jackson would have to box from a distance (Julian had exceptional boxing skills) but I see Mugabi cutting off the ring and finishing the Hawk off. Mugabi through the pre-Hagler fights and the Hagler fight itself proved that John could take a punch, Jackson was somewhat of a puncher stereotype - A hard hitter but couldnt take it on the recieving end.

Post-Hagler Mugabi however, I would bet my money on Jackson on taking Mugabi out.

Another interesting fight to consider would be Mugabi vs Benn in their primes - Another pure puncher matchup.

Prime for Prime, at say 160, Mugabi wipes Benn out again in one round.

Mugabi preyed on guys like Benn

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 29 Oct 2007, 11:44

I really never saw this monster Mugabi that everyone speaks of.

To be honest i don't think he was even as good as Gratien Tonna.

Jackson at least did beat another huge puncher in Baek and was the tigher shorter puncher with superior skills.

He'd land first and often, stopping the wider swinging Mugabi surprisingly easily.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:47

It's a definite toss up fight, but I think Jackson was the better fighter, so i'm going for him in KO 1.

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 18 Nov 2007, 14:16

Great match-up (only a Hearns Vs Mugabi or Hearns Vs J. Jackson at JMW could be better).

J. Jackson Vs Mugabi..... Clealry either guy can win this fight via KO. If I had to pick....I'd take J. Jackson via TKO 3rd.

J. Jackson didn't just come right at a guy....he sort of took his shots and then would back away and take another shot....It is not like he would try and swarm Mugabi and walk into something....

At the same time Mugabi, if he landed early could hurt Jackson....and Jackson didn't fight all that well once hurt......

I'd still pick Jackson by TKO .......But woldn't be shocked to have seen Mugabi win as well.....

Crssbones · Post by **Crssbones** » 25 Nov 2007, 22:07

I think Julian Jackson was a much sharper puncher than John Mugabi and he had better balance. Mugabi tended to punch wide and was reckless and off balance. Of course with power like these guys had it comes down to who can take the better shot before the actual KO punch is landed. (see Mugabi-Hargrove) I think that would be Jackson by second or third round KO.

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