Kenna vs Greenburg - Bayswater Weds 31st

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Oct 2007, 13:56

Jesus Christ has been moved quicker than Greenburg, 2007 years and counting.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 26 Oct 2007, 10:23

Greenberg should have far too much ability and variety for Kenna, but I wouldnt be surprised if Colin scores an upset.

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 26 Oct 2007, 10:56

Greenberg should but I worry at this stage in Roman's career that he hasn't been in a war. Really fought anyone who has tested him, got up off the floor or ground out a win.

Feel if Kenna is on form like he was against Wayne L, he could well be in for a fight.

Wish I could get 10 people together who could afford to splash out £150 a ticket.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 26 Oct 2007, 11:31

Dirk Kelly wrote:Greenberg should but I worry at this stage in Roman's career that he hasn't been in a war. Really fought anyone who has tested him, got up off the floor or ground out a win.

Feel if Kenna is on form like he was against Wayne L, he could well be in for a fight.

Wish I could get 10 people together who could afford to splash out £150 a ticket.

Go along with a tracksuit on, a water bottle towel and bucket and watch from the doors, or the ballroom. Noone will question you, you will look like a trainer/cornerman.

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 30 Oct 2007, 09:20

KO Artist wrote:
Dirk Kelly wrote:Greenberg should but I worry at this stage in Roman's career that he hasn't been in a war. Really fought anyone who has tested him, got up off the floor or ground out a win.

Feel if Kenna is on form like he was against Wayne L, he could well be in for a fight.

Wish I could get 10 people together who could afford to splash out £150 a ticket.
Go along with a tracksuit on, a water bottle towel and bucket and watch from the doors, or the ballroom. Noone will question you, you will look like a trainer/cornerman.

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 30 Oct 2007, 10:54

Dirk Kelly wrote:
KO Artist wrote:
Dirk Kelly wrote:Greenberg should but I worry at this stage in Roman's career that he hasn't been in a war. Really fought anyone who has tested him, got up off the floor or ground out a win.

Feel if Kenna is on form like he was against Wayne L, he could well be in for a fight.

Wish I could get 10 people together who could afford to splash out £150 a ticket.
Go along with a tracksuit on, a water bottle towel and bucket and watch from the doors, or the ballroom. Noone will question you, you will look like a trainer/cornerman.

Is it worth that much effort to see roman greenburg?

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 30 Oct 2007, 11:45

I live on a council estate so everyday atire for me!

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 01 Nov 2007, 05:00

Greenberg on an 8 round points decision.

walford · Post by **walford** » 01 Nov 2007, 05:30

Dirk Kelly wrote:Greenberg on an 8 round points decision.

Was that what happened or is that a prediction.

Greenberg is only 25. He's a baby as far as heavyweights go, he could go another 2 or 3 years before he has to step up. If he's in no rush than I say keep fighting different kinds of fighters, gain as much experience as possible, I'd like to see him have 5 or 6 fights next year, then fight a gatekeeper like Calvin Brock early next year. From there I'd step it up for about 3 or 4 fights for 2009 and look for a big fight early 2010.

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 01 Nov 2007, 05:32

walford wrote:
Dirk Kelly wrote:Greenberg on an 8 round points decision.
Was that what happened or is that a prediction.

Greenberg is only 25. He's a baby as far as heavyweights go, he could go another 2 or 3 years before he has to step up. If he's in no rush than I say keep fighting different kinds of fighters, gain as much experience as possible, I'd like to see him have 5 or 6 fights next year, then fight a gatekeeper like Calvin Brock early next year. From there I'd step it up for about 3 or 4 fights for 2009 and look for a big fight early 2010.

Sorry Greenberg won on an 8 round points decision.

Abbo · Post by **Abbo** » 01 Nov 2007, 05:56

Seriously, Greenburg couldnt put his ironing away

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 01 Nov 2007, 06:44

walford wrote:
Dirk Kelly wrote:Greenberg on an 8 round points decision.
Was that what happened or is that a prediction.

Greenberg is only 25. He's a baby as far as heavyweights go, he could go another 2 or 3 years before he has to step up. If he's in no rush than I say keep fighting different kinds of fighters, gain as much experience as possible, I'd like to see him have 5 or 6 fights next year, then fight a gatekeeper like Calvin Brock early next year. From there I'd step it up for about 3 or 4 fights for 2009 and look for a big fight early 2010.

Brock might not be the best in the world but he would beat Greenberg with plenty to spare. Now or next year or the year after.

walford · Post by **walford** » 01 Nov 2007, 07:05

nickd wrote:
walford wrote:
Dirk Kelly wrote:Greenberg on an 8 round points decision.
Was that what happened or is that a prediction.

Greenberg is only 25. He's a baby as far as heavyweights go, he could go another 2 or 3 years before he has to step up. If he's in no rush than I say keep fighting different kinds of fighters, gain as much experience as possible, I'd like to see him have 5 or 6 fights next year, then fight a gatekeeper like Calvin Brock early next year. From there I'd step it up for about 3 or 4 fights for 2009 and look for a big fight early 2010.
Brock might not be the best in the world but he would beat Greenberg with plenty to spare. Now or next year or the year after.

Maybe so, but I'm just saying there is no need for a 25 year old heavyweight to rush and if I was managing him I'd have him fighting blokes who aren't that good with different styles at the moment.

Plus I'm sure Calvin still considers himself a contender and not a gatekeeper, and maybe he's not the best example, but he was the first person I thought of.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 01 Nov 2007, 07:16

walford wrote:
nickd wrote:
walford wrote: Was that what happened or is that a prediction.

Greenberg is only 25. He's a baby as far as heavyweights go, he could go another 2 or 3 years before he has to step up. If he's in no rush than I say keep fighting different kinds of fighters, gain as much experience as possible, I'd like to see him have 5 or 6 fights next year, then fight a gatekeeper like Calvin Brock early next year. From there I'd step it up for about 3 or 4 fights for 2009 and look for a big fight early 2010.
Brock might not be the best in the world but he would beat Greenberg with plenty to spare. Now or next year or the year after.
Maybe so, but I'm just saying there is no need for a 25 year old heavyweight to rush and if I was managing him I'd have him fighting blokes who aren't that good with different styles at the moment.

Plus I'm sure Calvin still considers himself a contender and not a gatekeeper, and maybe he's not the best example, but he was the first person I thought of.

I see what you're saying. But Greenberg has regressed not improved, I don't really see where he is going. There is sense in what you are saying, he should have stayed amateur a lot longer IMO.

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 01 Nov 2007, 07:39

nickd wrote:
walford wrote:
nickd wrote: Brock might not be the best in the world but he would beat Greenberg with plenty to spare. Now or next year or the year after.
Maybe so, but I'm just saying there is no need for a 25 year old heavyweight to rush and if I was managing him I'd have him fighting blokes who aren't that good with different styles at the moment.

Plus I'm sure Calvin still considers himself a contender and not a gatekeeper, and maybe he's not the best example, but he was the first person I thought of.
I see what you're saying. But Greenberg has regressed not improved, I don't really see where he is going. There is sense in what you are saying, he should have stayed amateur a lot longer IMO.

There is plenty of sense in both posts. However I think we are negative to Greenberg due to the constant stream of PR from his people about him being a billion dollar heavyweight, after nearly every fight we get - he's going to fight in America next against a ranked fighter then a title shot after that. How many more times will we hear this before they actually do it? How many more times will a ranked heavyweight come up and we get Colin Kenna? That's what pisses me off the most. If they said we're taking our time, getting him used to different sizes, styles, arena's etc then fair play but they don't, they talk when not if he becomes a heavyweight champion of the world. The most he can hope for at the moment is a shot for the WBF against Audley!

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 01 Nov 2007, 08:15

Harrison v Greenberg in a fly swatting contest?

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 01 Nov 2007, 10:13

billy bessey wrote:i was there last night and i really cant see greenburg doing alot he has got a nice jab but not a lot else to be considered a top WORLD prospect he just seems happy to go along at one pace he was always a class above colin but no way is he EVER gonna do anything on the world stage judged on last night i think it will be best for his people to keep at british/fringe level for as long as possible and keep milking it cos when he gets stepped up against a hungry big man who would be on him constantly(skelton would be ideal) then i think his arse would fall out it finished 78-74 colin went down in the 4th? but dug in well

Honestly how did Colin look? Was he in good condition or did he come to the ring flabby and unfit? Can't believe Colin was put down as he always said that Greenberg wasn't that hard a hitter and he'd hurt him in sparring in the past. Did Colin put up a good effort or has he gone down the journeyman route?

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 01 Nov 2007, 10:15

I think Greenburg in fighting guys who don't come to win or don't have a chance of doing so is picking up bad habbits not increasing his talents.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 01 Nov 2007, 10:30

Greenberg v Sosnowski over 10 rounds would be my next choice.

Then maybe the American journeyman; Zuri Lawrence, Cliff Couser - guys like that.

Then maybe a Paulo Vidoz or Michael Sprott.

Then maybe a Monte Barrett....

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 01 Nov 2007, 12:06

Hi Billy,

The only reason I ask about him being a journeyman was that after his losses to Steeds and Platov he was considering going down this route and since he's only fought Long since I wondered if he'd gone down that route.

It was meant to be disrespectful just an honest quesiton.

BBN · Post by **BBN** » 01 Nov 2007, 12:17

Dirk Kelly wrote:
billy bessey wrote:i was there last night and i really cant see greenburg doing alot he has got a nice jab but not a lot else to be considered a top WORLD prospect he just seems happy to go along at one pace he was always a class above colin but no way is he EVER gonna do anything on the world stage judged on last night i think it will be best for his people to keep at british/fringe level for as long as possible and keep milking it cos when he gets stepped up against a hungry big man who would be on him constantly(skelton would be ideal) then i think his arse would fall out it finished 78-74 colin went down in the 4th? but dug in well
Honestly how did Colin look? Was he in good condition or did he come to the ring flabby and unfit? Can't believe Colin was put down as he always said that Greenberg wasn't that hard a hitter and he'd hurt him in sparring in the past. Did Colin put up a good effort or has he gone down the journeyman route?

I didn't think the punch that put him down looked that hard, maybe just caught him in the right place.

Greenberg was down too - When his stool collapsed!!