It's official: Calzaghe is an ATG

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:24

Congrats for a hard-earned but clear victory against his best opponent ever.

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:25

Nice job on the spoiler warning.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:30

jeej wrote:Nice job on the spoiler warning.

Didn't see that. Where is it?

classboxer · Post by **classboxer** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:30

100% true,Joe is an ATG

He should retire now its the perfect time

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:31

LOL, you nob!

I think I can hear Sven Ottke calling your name...

(That was for Pundit.)

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:31

Pundit, are you gonna retire now as well?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:32

MightyWarrior wrote:Pundit, are you gonna retire now as well?

I wish I could afford that....

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:33

I TOLD THE HATERS AGAIN!

classboxer · Post by **classboxer** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:34

Joe is a Great boxer with the heart of a lion

ATG

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:36

well, he's delivered at the tail end of his career for the 2nd time. it's a shame he left things open for debate for so long.

Kessler was very out of sorts. I think he can go on to be a fine champion and IMO he has the beating of anyone else in the stacked 168-lb class. He's just too stiff to beat a southpaw like that.

classboxer · Post by **classboxer** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:37

Joe would rip B Hop a new hole

Kessler is a f ing strong hard case young MF,what Joe did to Kessler he would do 10 times worse to BHop

Joe Calzaghe = top 3 P4P

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:38

Great win for Joe, but he didn't look great winning, if that makes sense.
Kessler exposed the flaws that others may take advantage of more fully before he retires, in particular that terrible habit of leaning in with his head down after throwing a shot.
Having said that this takes him well clear of Ottke for me and puts that particular argument to bed once and for all.

BAMBI · Post by **BAMBI** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:40

Excellent!!!!!

Kessler did well..but Joe was too great!!

now its time for ..MARQUEZ VS JUAREZ!!

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:40

Simple incredible performance, I almost shed a tear whilst watching this great fight. I agree that his fight has sealed Calzaghe as an ATG. Amazing atmosphere!

Albert · Post by **Albert** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:41

Deserter wrote:Kessler exposed the flaws that others may take advantage of more fully before he retires, in particular that terrible habit of leaning in with his head down after throwing a shot.

But is there anyone good enough to expose those flaws as well as take advantage of them - I say that at Super Middeweight level.

Calzaghe at Light Heavyweight is going to be exciting!!!!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:43

Deserter wrote:Great win for Joe, but he didn't look great winning, if that makes sense.
Kessler exposed the flaws that others may take advantage of more fully before he retires, in particular that terrible habit of leaning in with his head down after throwing a shot.
Having said that this takes him well clear of Ottke for me and puts that particular argument to bed once and for all.

The right hands were already exposed by other fighters and Kessler was still outclassed and couldn't keep up his sucess.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:44

The workrate and stamina and belief even when caught with big shots mark him out as a great of this era. No doubt at all in mind.

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:44

Albert wrote:
Deserter wrote:Kessler exposed the flaws that others may take advantage of more fully before he retires, in particular that terrible habit of leaning in with his head down after throwing a shot.
But is there anyone good enough to expose those flaws as well as take advantage of them - I say that at Super Middeweight level.

Calzaghe at Light Heavyweight is going to be exciting!!!!

No, you're right, there's no-one at Super Middle now. Joe seems to think he'll be better at light heavy and I'd love to see if that's the case, but the guy I was thinking of when I wrote that was Chad Dawson. I see that fight as maximum risk and minimum reward!!

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:46

Spoken like a gentleman Pundit, and I realise what a difficult last month it's been for you with England knocking off Australia, and France in Paris and reaching the Rugby Union World Cup Final, and then of course earlier today Great Britain hammered New Zealand 44-0 in Rugby League.

Albert · Post by **Albert** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:46

Deserter wrote:
Albert wrote:
Deserter wrote:Kessler exposed the flaws that others may take advantage of more fully before he retires, in particular that terrible habit of leaning in with his head down after throwing a shot.
But is there anyone good enough to expose those flaws as well as take advantage of them - I say that at Super Middeweight level.

Calzaghe at Light Heavyweight is going to be exciting!!!!
No, you're right, there's no-one at Super Middle now. Joe seems to think he'll be better at light heavy and I'd love to see if that's the case, but the guy I was thinking of when I wrote that was Chad Dawson. I see that fight as maximum risk and minimum reward!!

Chad Dawson - Bernard Hopkins or even Clinton Woods

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:48

Albert wrote:
Deserter wrote:
Albert wrote: But is there anyone good enough to expose those flaws as well as take advantage of them - I say that at Super Middeweight level.

Calzaghe at Light Heavyweight is going to be exciting!!!!
No, you're right, there's no-one at Super Middle now. Joe seems to think he'll be better at light heavy and I'd love to see if that's the case, but the guy I was thinking of when I wrote that was Chad Dawson. I see that fight as maximum risk and minimum reward!!
I think he can handle Woods comfortably because of his speed. Hopkins would be a horrible fight as their styles would clash and it would degenerate into a maul, but I see Dawson as a real dangerman.

Chad Dawson - Bernard Hopkins or even Clinton Woods

Albert · Post by **Albert** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:52

To be honest I think Calzaghe v Woods would be a fantastic fight - toe to toe stuff.

The fighter who could really expose the flaws is in my opinion Hopkins - thats solely down to Hopkins fighting in his normal negative and counter punching way. Don't get me wrong I think Calzaghe beats him but have to agree horrible fight.

Chad Dawson as good as some say - actually think he is possibly over hyped - the Americans have to have some to replace their ageing stars thus hype up Dawson.

Think both Clinton and Calzaghe beat Dawson with ease!!!

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:58

Seamus wrote:Spoken like a gentleman Pundit, and I realise what a difficult last month it's been for you with England knocking off Australia, and France in Paris and reaching the Rugby Union World Cup Final, and then of course earlier today Great Britain hammered New Zealand 44-0 in Rugby League.

You take these things much more seriously than I do, bud.

I never have trouble to acknowledge achievement.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 03 Nov 2007, 23:20

Joe has to go down as a great, For some reason he won't fight top contenders - this really gets me - but he fights champions, current & former. He does the business.

I didn't think he could do this with a really good boxer but I was wrong.

Two brilliant performances over Lacy (whom we should be a bit kinder to) and Kessler do erase him not fighting Mundine and Beyer.

Joe's stamina, chin, speed & boxing brain are top notch. He beat a master boxer tonight. He can lift himself from awful showings to be the boss vs world class fighters.

If he's going up to light heavy why not test the waters with Woods? Woods is a bigger man & it'd be interesting to see what happens when CW leans on him and puts in a right hook/uppercut.

I wonder, will Hopkins really fancy it? Methinks not. Ditto for Pavlik & Taylor. Would love to see Joe v Froch, Inkin, Bute (who won't want it given he's just won a vacant title) or even Brahmer.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 03 Nov 2007, 23:25

This win of Calzaghe's surely secures him a top 5 P4P spot. I'd have him right up there with Mayweather and Pacquiao. After tasting such a sweet victory, I feel that Warren & Calzaghe will both go for another big fight right off the back of this, 2 or 3 more fights and retire knowing his legacy is in tact. Hopkins would get dominated badly.