Scorecards Calzaghe vs. Kessler

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Nov 2007, 17:57

Calzaghe won the fight fair and square, but 117-111 seems rather wide to me. I had the fight dead even through round 8, then Calzaghe pulled away in rounds 9-11, timing the fight to perfection.

My scorecard would have been 115-113. 116-113 or 116-112 seems fine to me too, but 117-111 has a sniff of hometown scoring. Fortunately there wasn't any serious doubt about the winner; however, had Kessler put in a couple more very strong rounds it could have been ugly.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Nov 2007, 18:04

I thought Calzaghe was in control of most of the rounds. Just because Kessler landed a few hard clean shots, doesn't give him a round when Joe is at centre ring throwing out jabs again and again.

117-111 was about right for me. I didn't have it anywhere near even after 8 rounds. I think I had Calzaghe 6 rounds to 2. The fourth and the eighth for me were the only clear rounds for Kessler.

The Hawk · Post by **The Hawk** » 04 Nov 2007, 18:27

pundit wrote:but 117-111 has a sniff of hometown scoring.

Come on Pundit, even Kessler himself did not say a thing like that after it

Grilling Machine · Post by **Grilling Machine** » 04 Nov 2007, 18:31

116-112 is a popular choice. After round 5 it was mostly Calzaghe.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 04 Nov 2007, 18:46

i had it 116-113 ... but the winner was correct, no probs there, but kessler is a quality fighter, and a gracious sportsman.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 04 Nov 2007, 18:56

116-112 is about right to me.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 04 Nov 2007, 18:57

You could make a case for it only being 7-5

Kessler on mine won 2,4,5 (or was it 6?), 12

You could maybe give Kessler 7 too

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 04 Nov 2007, 19:10

My scorecard in my mildly intoxicated state (beers not withstanding):

1. JC
2. MK
3. JC
4. MK
5. JC
6. JC
7. MK
8. JC
9. JC
10. JC
11. JC
12. MK

I look forward to seeing the fight again during the week to see if I can change my mind. I thought Calzaghe's workrate shouldn't be canceled out by a number of sporadic heavy shots.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Nov 2007, 19:12

SticknMove wrote:My scorecard in my mildly intoxicated state (beers not withstanding):

1. JC
2. MK
3. JC
4. MK
5. JC
6. JC
7. MK
8. JC
9. JC
10. JC
11. JC
12. MK

I look forward to seeing the fight again during the week to see if I can change my mind. I thought Calzaghe's workrate shouldn't be canceled out by a number of sporadic heavy shots.

Same here, a lot of Kesslers shots were being blocked, even though the commentary team were going crazy, and Joe was consistently picking up points with jabs and body shots all the way through. I didn't even give Kessler the 2nd, thought that Joe controlled the majority of the round.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 04 Nov 2007, 19:27

I think if you have it any wider than 4 points for Joe, then I would greatly disagree. Alot of hard rounds to score, but I think Kessler won 4 pretty clearly.

Now, my card is going to sound a bit rediculous but here it is.

1 - Kessler (close)
2 - Kessler (definate)
3 - Calzaghe (definate)
4 - Kessler (definate)
5 - Calzaghe
6 - Calzaghe
7 - (Kessler) - Definate
8 - Calzaghe
9 - Calzaghe - Definate
10 - Kessler (closish)
11 - Calzaghe - Definate
12 - Kessler - Deinate.

Perhaps amazingly by the punch stats - but I scored it a draw.

Even though Calzaghe definately seemed to control the last half of the fight - I do find it odd that Bunce believed Kessler was winning at the Halfway stage and yet Kessler lost the fight by 4 on his card. Surely Kessler won at least two of the last 6 and I would say 3.

I think one of my Calzaghe rounds either 5, 6, or 8 could have been given to Kessler (who made a bright start to the round) - cannot remember which.

I actually thought it was closer in some ways than the Reid fight - you could have scored that wide for Joe also. This one I fail to see how you could - Calzaghe was hurt in there last night.

Should there be a rematch, I won't be on the fence next time - Kessler answered alot of my questions. Think he could fight alot better, not sure if Joe could.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Nov 2007, 19:39

sorry stu, but I think you must be crazy. How on earth did Kessler win the first round!!?

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 04 Nov 2007, 19:50

jamesmcdonnell wrote:sorry stu, but I think you must be crazy. How on earth did Kessler win the first round!!?

He did also on my card. He scored a few nice right in the round. Round 2 was closer in my view.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 04 Nov 2007, 19:50

jamesmcdonnell wrote:sorry stu, but I think you must be crazy. How on earth did Kessler win the first round!!?

Just thought he controlled the centre ring, Calzaghe's punches had nothing on them in that round at all. It was a close round IMO - Bunce must have given it to Kessler aswell (cause there was no way Kessler won more than 3 of the first six rounds).

I just cannot believe how Bunce gave the 7th to Joe and didn't HBO give the last to Joe also!

rasputin · Post by **rasputin** » 04 Nov 2007, 19:53

i had calzaghe winning quite comfortably in the end but had round 1, 7, 10 as even in my drunken state!!
With kessler winning 2, 4 and 12 making it 117 114 can anyone tell me how far my beer goggles were out

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 04 Nov 2007, 19:55

rasputin wrote:i had calzaghe winning quite comfortably in the end but had round 1, 7, 10 as even in my drunken state!!
With kessler winning 2, 4 and 12 making it 117 114 can anyone tell me how far my beer goggles were out

Change 7 and 10 to Kessler rounds for sure to Kessler rounds and I think your spot on - I would change 1 also, but that one was close.

I was sober also.

rasputin · Post by **rasputin** » 04 Nov 2007, 20:01

stujones wrote:
rasputin wrote:i had calzaghe winning quite comfortably in the end but had round 1, 7, 10 as even in my drunken state!!
With kessler winning 2, 4 and 12 making it 117 114 can anyone tell me how far my beer goggles were out
Change 7 and 10 to Kessler rounds for sure to Kessler rounds and I think your spot on - I would change 1 also, but that one was close.

I was sober also.

need to watch it again sober myself ......but i can remember me rambling some shit to my mrs about kessler being a top bloke after his interview after the fight..making no excuses ..was that right ?

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 04 Nov 2007, 20:04

Kessler looked very ragged in round 10 throwing some desperate punches in combination, most of which Joe avoided.

Punch stats for round 10 were..

Calzaghe landed 27 of 86 punches [31%]
Kessler landed 11 of 53 punches [21%]

Mikkel was both outboxed and outworked in that one for sure.

HBO had it 117-111 Calzaghe, which I believe is more realistic than scoring it a draw.

rasputin · Post by **rasputin** » 04 Nov 2007, 20:12

lvlarc wrote:Kessler looked very ragged in round 10 throwing some desperate punches in combination, most of which Joe avoided.

Punch stats for round 10 were..

Calzaghe landed 27 of 86 punches [31%]
Kessler landed 11 of 53 punches [21%]

Mikkel was both outboxed and outworked in that one for sure.

HBO had it 117-111 Calzaghe, which I believe is more realistic than scoring it a draw.

as i say mate i had a good drink before the fight but 117-111 seemed just a little too big to me but i need to watch it again so maybe your right (BUT I THINK I AM)

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 04 Nov 2007, 20:12

lvlarc wrote:Kessler looked very ragged in round 10 throwing some desperate punches in combination, most of which Joe avoided.

Punch stats for round 10 were..

Calzaghe landed 27 of 86 punches [31%]
Kessler landed 11 of 53 punches [21%]

Mikkel was both outboxed and outworked in that one for sure.

HBO had it 117-111 Calzaghe, which I believe is more realistic than scoring it a draw.

No doubt, Calzaghe probably would have won every round in the Amateur scoring system. What the punch stats doesn't say (in this instance) is the power punches and the opponents reaction to the power punches and ring generaliship.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 04 Nov 2007, 20:13

rasputin wrote:
stujones wrote:
rasputin wrote:i had calzaghe winning quite comfortably in the end but had round 1, 7, 10 as even in my drunken state!!
With kessler winning 2, 4 and 12 making it 117 114 can anyone tell me how far my beer goggles were out
Change 7 and 10 to Kessler rounds for sure to Kessler rounds and I think your spot on - I would change 1 also, but that one was close.

I was sober also.
need to watch it again sober myself ......but i can remember me rambling some shit to my mrs about kessler being a top bloke after his interview after the fight..making no excuses ..was that right ?

Spot on there anyway.

rasputin · Post by **rasputin** » 04 Nov 2007, 20:21

stujones wrote:
rasputin wrote:
stujones wrote: Change 7 and 10 to Kessler rounds for sure to Kessler rounds and I think your spot on - I would change 1 also, but that one was close.

I was sober also.
need to watch it again sober myself ......but i can remember me rambling some shit to my mrs about kessler being a top bloke after his interview after the fight..making no excuses ..was that right ?
Spot on there anyway.

stu if calzaghe moves up and gives the belts up will kessler automatically be no1 contender ?

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 04 Nov 2007, 21:16

I was sober and scored it 117-111

However many round were close and I have no problem with 115-113

I think a lot depends on how you score the fight, I felt JC was much busier and scored a lot with pitty-pat shots, I also gave him a lot of credit for his jab

Kessler scored with few but often harder shots, however I don't know how many of those landed clean. Joe was unmarled afterwards

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 04 Nov 2007, 21:18

stujones wrote:I think if you have it any wider than 4 points for Joe, then I would greatly disagree. Alot of hard rounds to score, but I think Kessler won 4 pretty clearly.

Now, my card is going to sound a bit rediculous but here it is.

1 - Kessler (close)
2 - Kessler (definate)
3 - Calzaghe (definate)
4 - Kessler (definate)
5 - Calzaghe
6 - Calzaghe
7 - (Kessler) - Definate
8 - Calzaghe
9 - Calzaghe - Definate
10 - Kessler (closish)
11 - Calzaghe - Definate
12 - Kessler - Deinate.

Perhaps amazingly by the punch stats - but I scored it a draw.

Even though Calzaghe definately seemed to control the last half of the fight - I do find it odd that Bunce believed Kessler was winning at the Halfway stage and yet Kessler lost the fight by 4 on his card. Surely Kessler won at least two of the last 6 and I would say 3.

I think one of my Calzaghe rounds either 5, 6, or 8 could have been given to Kessler (who made a bright start to the round) - cannot remember which.

I actually thought it was closer in some ways than the Reid fight - you could have scored that wide for Joe also. This one I fail to see how you could - Calzaghe was hurt in there last night.

Should there be a rematch, I won't be on the fence next time - Kessler answered alot of my questions. Think he could fight alot better, not sure if Joe could.

I dont have a problem with your scoring except rounds 1 and 10. Watch those 2 rounds again

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 04 Nov 2007, 21:19

-------------01--02--03--04--05--06--07--08--09--10--11--12----TOT
Kessler----09--10--09--10--09--09--09--10--09--09--09--10----112
Calzaghe--10--09--10--09--10--10--10--09--10--10--10--09----116

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 04 Nov 2007, 21:42

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
stujones wrote:I think if you have it any wider than 4 points for Joe, then I would greatly disagree. Alot of hard rounds to score, but I think Kessler won 4 pretty clearly.

Now, my card is going to sound a bit rediculous but here it is.

1 - Kessler (close)
2 - Kessler (definate)
3 - Calzaghe (definate)
4 - Kessler (definate)
5 - Calzaghe
6 - Calzaghe
7 - (Kessler) - Definate
8 - Calzaghe
9 - Calzaghe - Definate
10 - Kessler (closish)
11 - Calzaghe - Definate
12 - Kessler - Deinate.

Perhaps amazingly by the punch stats - but I scored it a draw.

Even though Calzaghe definately seemed to control the last half of the fight - I do find it odd that Bunce believed Kessler was winning at the Halfway stage and yet Kessler lost the fight by 4 on his card. Surely Kessler won at least two of the last 6 and I would say 3.

I think one of my Calzaghe rounds either 5, 6, or 8 could have been given to Kessler (who made a bright start to the round) - cannot remember which.

I actually thought it was closer in some ways than the Reid fight - you could have scored that wide for Joe also. This one I fail to see how you could - Calzaghe was hurt in there last night.

Should there be a rematch, I won't be on the fence next time - Kessler answered alot of my questions. Think he could fight alot better, not sure if Joe could.
I dont have a problem with your scoring except rounds 1 and 10. Watch those 2 rounds again

Have, and I'm sticking by it. Yes, close rounds. However, not saying this is good practise - but I thought two of my Calzaghe rounds were close - think it was 8th and 5th. So sort of balances it out.

Regarding Reid vs Cazalghe - I know a guy who scored it 118-110 to Joe. Now whilst I scored it 6-5-1 Reid, I could see his viewpoint. Alot of my Reid rounds were close, alot more than the Calzaghe rounds. So whilst Joe didn't lose on my card vs Kessler - I think the diversity is alot closer. 8-4 either way is the maximum you could see it. If anyone has a 5 round margin, then I just think its rediculous.

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