Amateur boxing is safer than running Marathons

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 05 Nov 2007, 12:35

Amateur boxing is looking much safer than long distance running with the recent deaths in various marathons. We should use that as ammunition the next time the AMA tries to attack boxing. You don't see the AMA attacking long distance running even with its inherent risks.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 05 Nov 2007, 12:38

Now to all the amateur boxer out there, don't think this means you can skip your running. The risks are to those who run for hours at a time and running 5 minute miles for mile after mile.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 05 Nov 2007, 13:00

Dennis wrote:Now to all the amateur boxer out there, don't think this means you can skip your running. The risks are to those who run for hours at a time and running 5 minute miles for mile after mile.

Dammit, I had just gotten my hopes up.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 05 Nov 2007, 18:28

Go run Kolya! LOL.

squarering · Post by **squarering** » 06 Nov 2007, 15:16

Dennis, Just read a story yesterday on Jose Salizar the marathon icon who moved from Cuba when Castro took over and won the Boston Marithon at the age of 22. He has had like 3 or 4 heart attacks and his last one at 42 years old was a few months ago. His heart stopped for 14 minutes, but they continued to do CPR and shocked him all the way to the hospital. He recovered and was back on the track coaching his elite team of runners 7 days later. Man If I have a heart attack, the boys are on their own for a while. The story is in a sports illustrated that was at the Gym, I don't know what issue.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 07 Nov 2007, 00:58

Hal - you kid yourself. You could have a heart attack at ringside and you wouldn't go to the hospital until Fernando's bout was over.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 07 Nov 2007, 17:24

A recent study in the BMJ found no evidence that amatuer boxing has any long term brain damaging effects.

Please - maybe we can send it to the idiots at AIBA who want to do away with the headgear.

squarering · Post by **squarering** » 07 Nov 2007, 23:57

Dennis I did get hit by a car while he was doing roadwork and I was riding my bike. I'm laying in the middle of the road, bike bent all to hell and he stopped to see if I was Ok, all I could think to do was get on him about stopping. True story.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 08 Nov 2007, 00:20

For the entire article, go to http://www.bmj.com and do a search on "amateur boxing." It was published last month. I find it ironic that British research can come to this conclusion in the face of the British Medical Assn.'s ongoing attempts to ban boxing.

BMJ 2007;335:809 (20 October), doi:10.1136/bmj.39342.690220.55 (published 4 October 2007)

Research
Amateur boxing and risk of chronic traumatic brain injury: systematic review of observational studies
Mike Loosemore, lead sports physician1, Charles H Knowles, clinical senior lecturer and honorary consultant surgeon2, Greg P Whyte, professor of sport and exercise science3

1 English Institute of Sport, London Region, Olympic Medical Institute, Northwick Park Hospital, Harrow HA1 3UJ , 2 Barts and the London NHS Trust and the Homerton University NHS Foundation Trust, Centre for Academic Surgery, Royal London Hospital, London E1 1BB, 3 Research Institute for Sport and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University

Objective To evaluate the risk of chronic traumatic brain injury from amateur boxing.
Setting Secondary research performed by combination of sport physicians and clinical academics.

Design, data sources, and methods Systematic review of observational studies in which chronic traumatic brain injury was defined as any abnormality on clinical neurological examination, psychometric testing, neuroimaging studies, and electroencephalography. Studies were identified through database (1950 to date) and bibliographic searches without language restrictions. Two reviewers extracted study characteristics, quality, and data, with adherence to a protocol developed from a widely recommended method for systematic review of observational studies (MOOSE).

Results 36 papers had relevant extractable data (from a detailed evaluation of 93 studies of 943 identified from the initial search). Quality of evidence was generally poor. The best quality studies were those with a cohort design and those that used psychometric tests. These yielded the most negative results: only four of 17 (24%) better quality studies found any indication of chronic traumatic brain injury in a minority of boxers studied.

Conclusion There is no strong evidence to associate chronic traumatic brain injury with amateur boxing.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 08 Nov 2007, 00:51

squarering wrote:Dennis I did get hit by a car while he was doing roadwork and I was riding my bike. I'm laying in the middle of the road, bike bent all to hell and he stopped to see if I was Ok, all I could think to do was get on him about stopping. True story.

Those drivers in rural Maryland are dangerous; man.

squarering · Post by **squarering** » 08 Nov 2007, 11:52

Kolya. I should have clearified that it was my boxer that stopped to see if I was OK and I jumped him for stopping. But yes They do fly out here. Then this woman that hits me is all hysterical and I tell her I just want the bike fixed. I take the bike to a bike shop get an estamate of like $145 to fix everthing and her husband shows up at the gym that night with no money just a handwritten paper saying that I won't sue them and asked me to sign it. I was furious. Here I am up in the ring working focus mitts, a wife thats a lawyer and told this moron that if I wanted to sue him I would still be laying in the road. He came back the next night with the $145. and now you know..........the reeesst of the story. this is Paul Harvey.....................Good day.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 08 Nov 2007, 15:15

squarering wrote:Kolya. I should have clearified that it was my boxer that stopped to see if I was OK and I jumped him for stopping. But yes They do fly out here. Then this woman that hits me is all hysterical and I tell her I just want the bike fixed. I take the bike to a bike shop get an estamate of like $145 to fix everthing and her husband shows up at the gym that night with no money just a handwritten paper saying that I won't sue them and asked me to sign it. I was furious. Here I am up in the ring working focus mitts, a wife thats a lawyer and told this moron that if I wanted to sue him I would still be laying in the road. He came back the next night with the $145. and now you know..........the reeesst of the story. this is Paul Harvey.....................Good day.

And this is why I was always nervous doing roadwork in PG County on Route 1.

I think your boxer fought a kid from my current region at Nationals this past year in the first round; ended up knocking one of the poor kid's teeth out.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 09 Nov 2007, 11:14

squarering wrote:Dennis I did get hit by a car while he was doing roadwork and I was riding my bike. I'm laying in the middle of the road, bike bent all to hell and he stopped to see if I was Ok, all I could think to do was get on him about stopping. True story.

You proved my point Hal.

squarering · Post by **squarering** » 09 Nov 2007, 18:09

Ok I can admit that I can be a hard ass, or at least some of my kids think so, but compared to when I was young all I can think is that I have grown soft in my recent years. I told you about the time Fernando hit me with a straight left in the chest and I thought I was going to have a heart attack. I said that's it no more of that crap. a few years back I would have tried to prove to him that he made a big mistake. Like I said, getting softer. smarter.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 09 Nov 2007, 23:02

Yeah Hal. I haven't stepped into the ring with Jordan in almost a year. Smarter, softer too.

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 13 Nov 2007, 01:59

A lot depends on the quality of the coaches, referees, and ringside doctors. If everyone is taking care of their responsibilities it is very safe. I don't complain about early stoppages in amateur boxing. Better early than late. I have thrown in the towels several times when I had a boxer getting overwhelmed for whatever reason. Safety first.