Haye definitely needs to work on his defence & his stamina, otherwise he is going to be a heavyweight version of Tommy Hearns.
Saying that, it's going to be one hell of a ride with Haye, so enjoy him whilst he is around!!!
Haye at Heavy - the outcome?
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WildWaylon
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He says he wants to challenge for a heavyweight title in about 3 years. I think his cruiser success will keep him marketable and it'll be good to see him build steadily. I'm curious to see what big marketable fights he'll have along the way. No doubt he'd like Macca at heavyweight. If he fights in Mac's backyard, and if it's at heavyweight, it's a fair trade, for example. Maybe another big cruisermoving up could make some decent ££ also.
3 years seems a long way away when did he say that? I thought he'd be looking to get a couple of good wins under his belt at Heavy before an eliminator. I don't see why he needs 3 years.Autobarn wrote:He says he wants to challenge for a heavyweight title in about 3 years. I think his cruiser success will keep him marketable and it'll be good to see him build steadily. I'm curious to see what big marketable fights he'll have along the way. No doubt he'd like Macca at heavyweight. If he fights in Mac's backyard, and if it's at heavyweight, it's a fair trade, for example. Maybe another big cruisermoving up could make some decent ££ also.
If he works on his defense and learns to keep his left hand up then there's a good chance he can win titles at heavyweight. I definitely think his punch resistance is worse at cruiser than it would be at heavy, too. Look at Cotto. You could tell he was killing himself to make light welter and he was getting knocked down fairly regularly as a result, but unless I'm mistaken he hasn't hit the canvas once since moving up to welter, despite fighting some big hitters. Haye will bring with him better speed than any other current heavy and a solid enough dig to smoke the boots of just about anyone. As I say, all he has to do is sort his defense out and he'll be fine. If he keeps fighting as he is now though, he'll get starched by the first heavy he meets who has a fast, solid right hook.
Haye wins World titles at HW IMO, his power is unquestioned at Cruiser, so when he sticks a few stone on and is fighting at a more natural weight for him he's going to be even more devastating. His speed is gonna give these HW's fits.
I think Haye will probably pick up a loss or 2 during his HW career. As has been said a 10000000 times he carries his left hand low and it leaves him open to the BIG right, but this is the way Haye fights he's not going to change now (ala Carl froch).
I'm pretty sure that Haye will continue to be matched aggressively at HW, so hold on to your seat belts boys we're gonna be in for a rollercoaster ride
I think Haye will probably pick up a loss or 2 during his HW career. As has been said a 10000000 times he carries his left hand low and it leaves him open to the BIG right, but this is the way Haye fights he's not going to change now (ala Carl froch).
I'm pretty sure that Haye will continue to be matched aggressively at HW, so hold on to your seat belts boys we're gonna be in for a rollercoaster ride
His career has been a refreshing change and one that British Boxing especially needed after the decade of WBU mismatches that we had to endure. As you say he's not scared to put it all on the line, his self-belief and mental strength is to be admired. He hasn't set out to protect his 0 at all costs, hopefully plenty of others take the same approach (Khan is making an excellent start by taking on Earl)Autobarn wrote:I've really enjoyed watching Haye's career. the thriller with Thompson, the spectacular blowout of Gurov, coming through a crisis to stop Frago, shocking Bonin and getting up to beat Mormeck. This guy puts it on the line.
If Calzaghe had the same willingness to fight the best earlier in his career he'd now be retired as a legend and a gazillionaire.
Hayes early career was based on getting his opponent out of there as quickly as possible by swarming all over him, when he was tested against someone who wasn't going to fold under the pressure he realised that this approach couldn't continue. I recall Adam Booth saying word to the effect of "this result has saved me a million words"Autobarn wrote:What I really like is that he finds out about himself, and from that can actually improve. Like Benn, losing his zero has made him a way better fighter. I mean, Haye has improved tenfold since losing to Thompson.
The Thompson fight instantly transformed Haye, The Cat put a stop to that by riding the Haye storm. He "Rumbled In The Jungled" himself that night, his new found patience and style were evident from the first 30 seconds of his next fight.
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Phenomenal-Nutrition
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Maybe he can get Holyfiled in the ring - sounds like a horrible idea but maybe good for Hayes career. Holy has the chin and druability and skill to make Haye work hard and if Haye KOs Holy, he'll be in a exclusive group.
Haye would look good against a bigger, slower man with poorer defense. He could score spectacular KOs against these sorts. See Audley, Skeleton, Golota, McCline - he'd score dramatic KOs against these types
Haye would look good against a bigger, slower man with poorer defense. He could score spectacular KOs against these sorts. See Audley, Skeleton, Golota, McCline - he'd score dramatic KOs against these types
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Syntax Error
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The thing about Haye is, out of choice, you’re never going to miss one of his fights are you! Will he spark, or get sparked? Who the hell knows?? Makes for great watching.
I think he has the tool to go right to the top of the heavyweight division. If he lands flush the opposition aren’t going to look too good….
I think he has the tool to go right to the top of the heavyweight division. If he lands flush the opposition aren’t going to look too good….
Would like to see him going back to fighting evey couple of months as he did early in his carrer, he's a good boxer but if he can get good experiance and a bit of momentum then he'll be better placed.Boxing.Gloves wrote:I think Sprott and Golota would be ideal for Haye in his first two fights at heavyweight, will give us an idea of where he is at, but then again after Sprotts last outing, i dont know if i wanna see that!
Sprott, Golota, Williamson, possibly Domanic Guinn would all be good early fights.
I would love to see him beat up Greenburg aswell.
Me neither. I reckon the general plan should be to try & and set up a big 3 belt eliminator in by the middle of 2009.Syntax Error wrote:I like the fact that Haye is not rushing himself into a heavyweight title shot, but I don't see why he needs 3 years.
If he fights 5 or 6 times year (something ALL top ranked fighters should do IMO), then he can be in the title picture in 12 months or so.
Due to the HW scence being at such a low ebb there are plenty of faded 'names' from the 90's to feast on as he settles into the division.
Botha, Mercer, Toney, Golota, Kirk Johnson (retired?), Akinwande, McCall, Byrd, Holyfield, Moorer.
Not that i'd necessarily recommend all or any of them but they do have a good name recognition/danger ratio. A British fight would be best to kick things off Sprott has nothing to lose after his last display...
Which brings us to.. Haye Vs Herbie! - guaranteed fireworks/early explosive knockout. Not interested in fights with Danny or Sprott.Autobarn wrote: Yes, he got dropped by Mormeck, but you can tell he doesn't like fighting down to those small squat guys, not if he 's fighting at a lower poundage like that. I think we need to see him at his ideal weight to really know how things will happen. Already he's done way more than Herbie. If he did fail at heavy, he can always say he was The Man at cruiser.