The greatest journeyman fighter of all-time???

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 07 Nov 2007, 23:24

Who is the greatest journeyman fighter of all-time?

He got to have the following characteristics:

1. Never fought for a world title
2. Fought and beat the very best fighters of his time
3. Was used as a ladder for upcoming prospects and future champions

Anything else could be add on?

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 08 Nov 2007, 00:33

I like this thread.

Joey Giambra

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 09 Nov 2007, 02:20

Decagon wrote:Sam Langford?

Sam Langford a journey man? Was he a great contender?

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 10 Nov 2007, 12:32

Elmersalsa is right Decagon. It's like saying Charley Burley was a journeyman.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 10 Nov 2007, 13:01

I guess Jesse Ferguson doesn't qualify as he fought Bowe for thye undisputed title.

I don't think you can 'beat the best of your time' and be a journeyman at the same time, i dont think the 2 go together.

Garing Lane and Frankie Swindell, as well as Ross Puritty bumped off a long list of pretenders and were capable of giving legit contenders a real hard night, when it suited them.

Tricky...

Flump · Post by **Flump** » 10 Nov 2007, 13:07

Emmanuel Burton
Bigfoot Martin (early days)
Tiger Roy Williams

BigJuicyHog · Post by **BigJuicyHog** » 10 Nov 2007, 13:20

I always like Ross Purrity and Frankie Swindell as journeymen. You knew they were usually gonna give someone a very tough fight, if not win. Purrity has a very good chin and had some good power to go along with it. Swindell was a big fat body who somehow threw a bunch of punches. To me, they were the ultimate gatekeepers of the HW division. To get to the real contenders you had to beat them first.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 11 Nov 2007, 01:43

Decagon wrote:
elmersalsa wrote:
Decagon wrote:Sam Langford?
Sam Langford a journey man? Was he a great contender?
I was poking fun at your criteria, which Langford meets.

Well, there were a lot of journeymen in boxing that beat great fighters and fought the very best, Decagon.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 11 Nov 2007, 01:53

Angel Robinson Garcia

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/b ... tm#enrique

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 11 Nov 2007, 02:01

Here's one,Kid Azteca

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 11 Nov 2007, 02:33

Decagon wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Here's one,Kid Azteca
He wasn't a journeyman; he was a solid fighter, and one of the most popular fighters in Mexico. He held the knockout record for Latin-Americans at 82 for 40 years, until Julio Cesar Chavez unseated him. He had wins over Izzy Jannazzo, the Cocoa Kid, Young Peter Jackson, Cerefino Garcia and Joe Glick. He's arguably one of the 60 or 70 greatest welterweights of all time.

We've got to recent posts:Greatest Journeyman and Greatest Fighter Who Never Became Champ. You could make case for some fighters falling into both categories. We could go on forever trying to conclude if Azteca was in one or the other like many others. Let's say Azteca was a great journeyman.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 11 Nov 2007, 22:58

What the hell are you talking about?

scartissue · Post by **scartissue** » 11 Nov 2007, 23:46

Ralph Tiger Jones and Holley Mims

Scartissue

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 12 Nov 2007, 00:04

How about LC Morgan...He was a journeyman that beat good oppsosition

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 12 Nov 2007, 00:59

Some guys who define "journeyman" in my opinion.
Jimmy Heair
George "Scrapiron Johnson"
Angel Robinson Garcia.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 12 Nov 2007, 02:33

The thing about journeyman fighters is , they always seem to have brave management.
"Hey Kid ya wanna fight Cyclone Hart next week in Philly?"
"I think you can beat him... no kidding.
All hes got is a left hook .After that hes got nothin. No problem."

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 12 Nov 2007, 06:58

elmersalsa wrote:Who is the greatest journeyman fighter of all-time?

He got to have the following characteristics:

1. Never fought for a world title
2. Fought and beat the very best fighters of his time
3. Was used as a ladder for upcoming prospects and future champions

Anything else could be add on?

How about heavyweight Everett 'Bigfoot' Martin. He had a couple of decent wins, Bert Cooper and Witherspoon and fought just about every top ranked fighter about, Qawi, Foreman, Mason, Damiani, Holmes, Klitscko, Bowe, Hide, Moorer, Tucker, Tubbs, Smith etc...etc...

He mostly went the distance with them and was hardly ever knocked down.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 12 Nov 2007, 23:58

Controversial wrote:
elmersalsa wrote:Who is the greatest journeyman fighter of all-time?

He got to have the following characteristics:

1. Never fought for a world title
2. Fought and beat the very best fighters of his time
3. Was used as a ladder for upcoming prospects and future champions

Anything else could be add on?
How about heavyweight Everett 'Bigfoot' Martin. He had a couple of decent wins, Bert Cooper and Witherspoon and fought just about every top ranked fighter about, Qawi, Foreman, Mason, Damiani, Holmes, Klitscko, Bowe, Hide, Moorer, Tucker, Tubbs, Smith etc...etc...

He mostly went the distance with them and was hardly ever knocked down.

That may be a good pick

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 17 Nov 2007, 17:17

Iono if this particular fighter I am going to name should be in here, or more up for the 'greatest no-name fighter of all time'...

"The Milwaukee Caveman" Bob Moha

He was the first 175 pound champion (when it was first made it was known as 'comission weight'), but it wouldn't be until Jack Dillion became champion that the title became more legit and respected among the sport.

In sparring he knocked out Ad Wolgadst, and put a hurting on everyone from welterweight to heavyweight. He was so good, in fact, that after working out with Jack Johnson, he was asked by Johnson if the Heavyweight champ could manage him.

He was known as the 'White Walcott', and at being no more than 5'4" he toppled many of the leading contenders, and was even a claimer to the Middleweight championship.

The only knock you could have against the Caveman was that he would take time off at the worst times. He would be at the peak of success, when people wanted him the most, and he would disappear. That or he wouldn't train always the best, but still even at 240 pounds, he could give a heavyweight hell.

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