Frank Bruno in the 21st century

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 14 Nov 2007, 05:27

I know a few of you like fantasy match ups as well as having a soft spot for Big Frank.

What do you think of these views from Kev Parker?

http://www.britishboxing.net/news_2870- ... ntury.html

Crew2 · Post by **Crew2** » 14 Nov 2007, 05:28

GREAT STUFF, ILL HAVE A READ

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 14 Nov 2007, 05:32

Great article. Would pick Bruno to beat Wlad and Byrd.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 14 Nov 2007, 05:35

I dont see Bruno beating Holyfield 2000. He'd just come close to beating Lewis 1999.

E · Post by E » 14 Nov 2007, 05:57

Dirk Kelly wrote:Great article. Would pick Bruno to beat Wlad and Byrd.

errr I don't think so....esp not WLad.

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 14 Nov 2007, 06:56

E wrote:
Dirk Kelly wrote:Great article. Would pick Bruno to beat Wlad and Byrd.
errr I don't think so....esp not WLad.

Why not? I think Bruno would catch Wlad and when he did it would be lights out. Byrd would jab and move but eventually Bruno would catch and hurt him.

E · Post by E » 14 Nov 2007, 07:35

Dirk Kelly wrote:
E wrote:
Dirk Kelly wrote:Great article. Would pick Bruno to beat Wlad and Byrd.
errr I don't think so....esp not WLad.
Why not? I think Bruno would catch Wlad and when he did it would be lights out. Byrd would jab and move but eventually Bruno would catch and hurt him.

POssibly of course Bruno might catch him, but he is most likely too slow and clumsy.

Wlad would outbox him, then stop an exhausted FRank late

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 14 Nov 2007, 08:52

nah wlad would have to take a right hand at some point. I see Bruno getting hit too but everyone who beat him was tough with big time power. wlad is foldable with big time power. frank wins in a war.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 14 Nov 2007, 09:03

Bruno who was beating Lennox early in Cardiff would put Wlad to sleep.
Once he has tasted a few Bruno jabs he would lose confidence, panic and get exhausted.

Anyone who has been able to land a half decent shot on Wlad as either beaten him or had him on the deck.

J · Post by J » 14 Nov 2007, 09:06

E wrote:
Dirk Kelly wrote:
E wrote: errr I don't think so....esp not WLad.
Why not? I think Bruno would catch Wlad and when he did it would be lights out. Byrd would jab and move but eventually Bruno would catch and hurt him.
POssibly of course Bruno might catch him, but he is most likely too slow and clumsy.

Wlad would outbox him, then stop an exhausted FRank late

if Sam peter could deck Vlad thrice then Bruno sure as hell could.

Difference being is Frank hit him with his right Vlad aint getting up.

Since when did Vlad beocme the 2nd coming ?
Come on guys he is the best of a bad bunch here, bruno hung tough with Lewis as long as Vitali did, and similalry was just ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage, theres no way Vald pastes a prime Bruno (and Im a was a lewis fan never Bruno but come on.)

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 14 Nov 2007, 09:27

knockout wrote:Bruno who was beating Lennox early in Cardiff would put Wlad to sleep.
Once he has tasted a few Bruno jabs he would lose confidence, panic and get exhausted.

Anyone who has been able to land a half decent shot on Wlad as either beaten him or had him on the deck.

similar to big frank really, but frank did not used to hit the floor, he would just stand there semi conscious with arms by his sides....

jumbo cummings springs to mind !!!

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Nov 2007, 10:59

Bruno developed along way past the Jumbo Cummings fight.

Guy who mixed up with Lewis and McCall would splatter Wlad. People eat up HBOs spiel and watch him prod and jab guys like Brock and Brewster and believe all the nonsense about this 'new fighter'.

Doubt Wlad would keep getting up like he did against the fat 38 yr old part time boxer/golfer guy who also chinned him.

BAMBI · Post by **BAMBI** » 14 Nov 2007, 11:01

david tua wouldve had so much fun with a Bruno!!!

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Nov 2007, 11:05

Yea he would of had his face flattened by a long jab & go into his shell once he felt one of Brunos right hands.

IronOne · Post by **IronOne** » 14 Nov 2007, 12:10

Thanks for the feedback guys.

The holyfield version I was thinking more of was 02' - 03.

In 99 he pushed Lewis to the wire in the return, so 00 - 01 i think he could have squeaked past Bruno but after that Frank all the way.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 14 Nov 2007, 13:11

Wlad v Bruno would have been a great match up.

Both vulnerable and both heavy hitters(strange that not a lot comment on Wlads power.IMO he punches as hard as anyone that ever stopeed Old Frank)with strong jabs.

I think prime 4 prime, I would favour Wlad 60/40

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Nov 2007, 13:24

Eh?? Whos Wlad ever laid out? Brock?!

E · Post by E » 14 Nov 2007, 13:24

rhino222 wrote:
knockout wrote:Bruno who was beating Lennox early in Cardiff would put Wlad to sleep.
Once he has tasted a few Bruno jabs he would lose confidence, panic and get exhausted.

Anyone who has been able to land a half decent shot on Wlad as either beaten him or had him on the deck.
similar to big frank really, but frank did not used to hit the floor, he would just stand there semi conscious with arms by his sides....

jumbo cummings springs to mind !!!

YEs of course...I know boxing does not often work like this; but Bruno's best wins were against crackhead journeyman (good chin agreed) WBC champ Oliver MCCAll (and he almost got stopped) ermmm........ a uninspired untrained Gerrie Coetzee (ex WBA) and er er er er a well past it, pretty average Pierre Coetzer.

Wlad's best wins are against: Chris Byrd ex-IBF (two wins), Lamon BRewster (ex-wbo), Sam PEter (current WBA interim), Ray Mercer (ex-WBO, never stopped before inc by Lewis and Holy), and a host of respectable contenders - Shufford, Bostice, BArrett, Botha, Jefferson, McLIne, Brock.....

Both have been chinned but Bruno's CV isn't even close.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Nov 2007, 13:27

I love how you dismiss Brunos victims but make no mention of Mercers 42 years of age and make it sound like he just came out of the Lewis fight!

Dismissing McCall as a crack head journeyman but listing a group of confirmed journeymen as Wlads superior wins. Absolutely laughably one-sided and clearly biased post.

E · Post by E » 14 Nov 2007, 14:01

overhand_right wrote:I love how you dismiss Brunos victims but make no mention of Mercers 42 years of age and make it sound like he just came out of the Lewis fight!

Dismissing McCall as a crack head journeyman but listing a group of confirmed journeymen as Wlads superior wins. Absolutely laughably one-sided and clearly biased post.

well Ok - discuss from the other side and give me Bruno's impressive boxing achievements

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Nov 2007, 14:52

WBC world title over Oliver McCall, 12 years later McCall could have easily been in the other corner at MSG opposite Samuel Peter but chose JC Gomez II in germany for double the money.

Wlad has won a WBO belt and a IBF championship both times over the far smaller and light hitting Byrd.

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 14 Nov 2007, 14:54

BYrd is one fighter that Bruno would almost certainly have decimated.

E · Post by E » 14 Nov 2007, 17:24

overhand_right wrote:WBC world title over Oliver McCall, 12 years later McCall could have easily been in the other corner at MSG opposite Samuel Peter but chose JC Gomez II in germany for double the money.

Nuff said - sorry mate. Prosecution case closed. DOn't let patriotism cloud your judgment.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Nov 2007, 18:00

'Cloud judgement'? This from a guy calling McCall a journeyman, Coetzee 'uninspired & untrained' (wtf?) and Coetzer 'past it' (3 entire months after his world title eliminator v Bowe)

Yet Brewster (beaten by Etienne & Shufford), Bostice, Barrett, Jefferson and Brock et al are wheeled out as 'superior wins'? eh??? If THESE GUYS are yours big wins then shit the bed we have to throw back Carl The Truth Williams, Quick Tillis, Jose Ribalta, Jesse Ferguson, Phil Brown, Joe Bugner, Jumbo Cummings et al, most of whom have CVs that shat all over the likes of Derek Jefferson and his motely crew.

I love your line about Wlads win over Mercer, who was "never stopped before inc by Lewis and Holy".... Thats like saying 'holy crap!! Larry Holmes stopped Muhammad Ali!! He must punch harder than Foreman or Shavers!!'

Go back to Eastside!!!

E · Post by E » 14 Nov 2007, 18:16

overhand_right wrote:'Cloud judgement'? This from a guy calling McCall a journeyman, Coetzee 'uninspired & untrained' (wtf?) and Coetzer 'past it' (3 entire months after his world title eliminator v Bowe)

Yet Brewster (beaten by Etienne & Shufford), Bostice, Barrett, Jefferson and Brock et al are wheeled out as 'superior wins'? eh??? If THESE GUYS are yours big wins then shit the bed we have to throw back Carl The Truth Williams, Quick Tillis, Jose Ribalta, Jesse Ferguson, Phil Brown, Joe Bugner, Jumbo Cummings et al, most of whom have CVs that shat all over the likes of Derek Jefferson and his motely crew.

I love your line about Wlads win over Mercer, who was "never stopped before inc by Lewis and Holy".... Thats like saying 'holy crap!! Larry Holmes stopped Muhammad Ali!! He must punch harder than Foreman or Shavers!!'

Go back to Eastside!!!

Maybe you can't remember Coetzee admitting he just came over for the holiday with his wife and kids.

And you seem to forget that Brewster, Bostice, Barrett, Jefferson and Brock et al were in their prime.

BEsides these ar enot his best wins, just good wins.

BEst victims for Wlad were Peter, BYrd (better than ANy Bruno victims) and fought a far higher level of top ten opposition.

Bruno was big, with a good punch, but chinny and lacking stamina with very average boxing skills.

Wlad has superb boxing skills, big power, handspeed. Yes he's also chinny, but overall is by far the superior fighter.