Aaron Pryor vs the all-time greats

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 13 Nov 2007, 22:20

How about if we match the great Aaron Pryor with these fighters at their very best between 135 and 147lbs:

What the end would be?

1. vs Sugar Ray Leonard at 147lbs
2. vs Thomas Hearns at 147lbs
3. vs Roberto Duran at 135, 140 or 147lbs
4. vs Julio Cesar Chavez at 135 or 140lbs
5. vs Pernell Whitaker at 135 or 140lbs
6. vs Carmen Basilio at 147lbs
7. vs Pipino Cuevas at 147lbs
8. vs Wilfred Benitez at 140lbs
9. vs Carlos Ortiz at 135lbs
10. vs Ismael Laguna at 135lbs
11. vs Ken Buchanan at 135lbs
12. vs Nicolino Locche at 140lbs

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 13 Nov 2007, 22:59

In before Jaclem...

He loses them all!!

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 14 Nov 2007, 00:38

Hearns destroys Pryor inside five rounds.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 14 Nov 2007, 11:09

1. vs Sugar Ray Leonard at 147lbs Leonard by an easy lop-sided decision
2. vs Thomas Hearns at 147lbs Hearns had a punch in the pros he didn't have as an amateur. Tommy eats up these come forward guys at 147. Hearns TKO 5
3. vs Roberto Duran at 135, 140 or 147lbs Duran on points in all weigth classes
5. vs Pernell Whitaker at 135 or 140lbs Pryor wins these, Pernell can't keepo him off
6. vs Carmen Basilio at 147lbs Basilio W15 bigger and just as busy
7. vs Pipino Cuevas at 147lbs Close one, great fight, Cuevas would score KDs and I don't see Pryor managing one. Cuevas takes a tight decision
8. vs Wilfred Benitez at 140lbs I'll call this one a draw

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 14 Nov 2007, 11:56

Decagon wrote:
generic screen name wrote:Hearns destroys Pryor inside five rounds.
Hearns always had trouble with Pryor.

He did when they fought at am thats for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BvlgGbrKzs

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 14 Nov 2007, 14:13

But in the amateurs Hearns hadn't yet discovered that he had one punch knock out power.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 15 Nov 2007, 02:29

Seamus wrote:But in the amateurs Hearns hadn't yet discovered that he had one punch knock out power.

Yeah. Who wins in the amateurs is not necessarily going to win in the pros. Tyson-Tillman, Frazier-Mathis, Cotto-Abdulaev etc. I would pick Hearns, maybe by late stoppage.

pete · Post by **pete** » 15 Nov 2007, 02:39

Hearns was 17,Pryor was 20,man against boy basically.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 15 Nov 2007, 05:23

Decagon wrote:
Seamus wrote:But in the amateurs Hearns hadn't yet discovered that he had one punch knock out power.
Pryor owned Hearns on the outside. People talk about him like he swarmed in every fight. Pryor had a lot of skills. He boxes Hearns on the outside, and wins a boring decision.

Pryor got dropped by some very average guys. He would be shook up but not badly hurt. Hearnswould gte a lot of 10-8 rounds.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 15 Nov 2007, 15:14

...hey tantum...i opened this one late..gave in to temptation...and see that you got it right and i have nothing to add

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 18 Nov 2007, 00:21

No question in my mind.....Hearns would have KO'd Pryor inside of 6 rounds......Pryor would have foolishly traded with Tommy (unlike SRL, early).....

pete · Post by **pete** » 18 Nov 2007, 03:19

Pryor beat an old Arguello.Hearns would've KO' d Pryor shortly.Leonard had everything over Pryor.How much could could Pryor take would be the only question.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 18 Nov 2007, 08:06

It amazes me how so many people dont give Pryor the credit he is due, he was far more than just a swarming brawler. I think he'd definately do better against the lightweights listed as he was basically a blown up 135 pounder at 147.... I think he would have been too good for Laguna and Ortiz.... as for Hearns they fought as amutuers when Hearns was still developing, but it would still be a very tough fight for Hearns... Pryor would certainly not stick his chin out like some think and if he got past the early rounds I can see him waering down Hearns late....
As for Pryor beating an 'old' Arguello, thats plain rubbish, Arguello was as good as he'd ever been... to say anything different is an insult to both men....

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 18 Nov 2007, 11:13

"It amazes me how so many people dont give Pryor the credit he is due..." - Silkov

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 18 Nov 2007, 11:57

For the most part the only what might be termed "suprising" opinions appear to be from me and jaclem. I think what may be equally surprising is how two opinions from people who were from Aaron's back yard and who who actually went to many of his fights (in jaclem's case I'm not sure he missed many of his fights at all) are responded to with great doubt.

He was remarkably well managed, he was beyond extraordinarily lucky both in terms of the timing of his career and choosing and timing of his opponents, if general impressions and perceptions are the benchmark then count him as a great. His wind down was predictable and those who had been watching his career knew what was coming. He was washed up when he should have been at the top of his game. Why? it will be blamed on poor lifestyle choices I"m sure. however I'm one who thinks he was very much like the character "Chauncey the gardner" in the movie "Being There". Except for the redeeming character qualites.

His main claim to fame were two very good, competitive, highly publicized and televised fights with a truly great champion, granted. However that champion was probably best suited for the Jr Lightweight division not the Jr Welter and was beginning to "age out".

pete · Post by **pete** » 18 Nov 2007, 15:58

Arguello was knocked down and most think he lost to Jose Luis Ramirez.He was also knocked down by Andrew Ganigan,while he was still a very formidable fighter he was slowing down.I think Pryor,through a remarkable performance and timing,caught Arguello at the right time.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 18 Nov 2007, 22:48

BoxBuzz wrote:For the most part the only what might be termed "suprising" opinions appear to be from me and jaclem. I think what may be equally surprising is how two opinions from people who were from Aaron's back yard and who who actually went to many of his fights (in jaclem's case I'm not sure he missed many of his fights at all) are responded to with great doubt.

He was remarkably well managed, he was beyond extraordinarily lucky both in terms of the timing of his career and choosing and timing of his opponents, if general impressions and perceptions are the benchmark then count him as a great. His wind down was predictable and those who had been watching his career knew what was coming. He was washed up when he should have been at the top of his game. Why? it will be blamed on poor lifestyle choices I"m sure. however I'm one who thinks he was very much like the character "Chauncey the gardner" in the movie "Being There". Except for the redeeming character qualites.

His main claim to fame were two very good, competitive, highly publicized and televised fights with a truly great champion, granted. However that champion was probably best suited for the Jr Lightweight division not the Jr Welter and was beginning to "age out".

As Granberry has often pointed out, buzzy, your boxing knowledge is very superficial and mostly of the pop culture kind.

So when you try to belittle Pryor's skills set it is of little importance.

Stick with your strength and tell us if Aaron was a baritone or tenor. I read in that book by Ken Hawk that he had played the pink oboe on at least one occasion. Any thoughts on that?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 18 Nov 2007, 23:30

Rumors that my knowledge of the sweet science is purely superficial are highly overgrandized.

After all, I have read almost all of granberry's contributions.....how much could there possibly be left to learn?

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 19 Nov 2007, 00:48

..any sentence that begins with something granberry has pointed out does not suggest the rest of it delivers anything of value...

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 19 Nov 2007, 02:38

On my take on these fights:

1. vs Sugar Ray Leonard: I saw Pryor vs Arguello I fight many times, and I could never picture Pryor beat someone as Leonard. Arguello was a blown featherweight, slow and probably ready to be taken. Ray Mancini outboxed Arguello at lightweight before Arguello stopped him. Arguello put Pryor in bad shape many times, but Pryor recovered nicely. Now a stronger, faster and more accurate puncher like Leonard would stop him inside 9 rounds. I do not see this fight go the distance.

2. vs Thomas Hearns: Pryor beat Hearns at amateur. But at the pro game, it is different this time. Pryor had the tendency to have his chin wide open for Hearns' over hand rights. Hearns would stop him in 5 or less.

3. vs Roberto Duran: at any weight, Duran would outclassed him

4. vs Julio Cesar Chavez: Taylor was not better than Pryor. I give Pryor this one by decision

5. vs Pernell Whitaker: Whitaker would win by UD.

6. vs Carmen Basilio: Dream match all the way. Both guys throwing tons of blows in a non-stop thrilling match. Basilio wins by late stoppage around the 13th round in a fight of the year.

7. vs Pipino Cuevas: I think Pryor would have take him....Pryor would win by KO late

8. vs Wilfred Benitez: Pryor wins this one too. By late KO or UD...Benitez would be too scared to throw punches, but would make Pryor miss a lot of times...you better believe it.

9. vs Carlos Ortiz: I think Ortiz was a notch a above Pryor. Ortiz wins this one by decision. Ortiz, like Pryor, were complete fighters.

10. vs Ismael Laguna: Laguna with his speed at 135lbs, would win by decision.

11. vs Ken Buchanan: Buchanan's jab is the key here. Buchanan by decision.

12. vs Nicolino Locche: I do not know. I got to see more of Locche's films...But if the fight is in Argentina, forget it, Pryor won't come out of Buenos Aires' Luna Park victorious.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 19 Nov 2007, 03:47

Well, how about the great Aaron Pryor vs these guys?:

1. vs Oscar De La Hoya vs at 135 and 140lbs
2. vs Shane Mosley at 135 lbs
3. vs Carlos Palomino at 147lbs
4. vs Donald Curry at 147lbs
5. vs Emile Griffith at 147lbs
6. vs Kostya Tyzsu at 140lbs
7. vs Lou Ambers at 135lbs
8. vs Meldrick Taylor at 140lbs
9. vs Randy Shields at 147lbs
10. vs Pete Ranzany at 147lbs
11. vs Diego Corrales at 135lbs
12. vs Jose Luis Ramirez at 135lbs

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 19 Nov 2007, 04:42

Jaclem wrote:..any sentence that begins with something granberry has pointed out does not suggest the rest of it delivers anything of value...

Oh, I dunno, Jack Lemmon.

There is an element of truth in most of crankberries posts.

That's why we all read them. If he was just a knuckledragger like several of the poseurs here, he would be on total ignore by now.

Crssbones · Post by **Crssbones** » 25 Nov 2007, 21:50

1. vs Sugar Ray Leonard at 147lbs
Leonard wins by unanimous decision

2. vs Thomas Hearns at 147lbs
Thomas Hearns by KO

3. vs Roberto Duran at 135, 140 or 147lbs
Duran by KO in brutal fight

4. vs Julio Cesar Chavez at 135 or 140lbs
Chavez by split decision

5. vs Pernell Whitaker at 135 or 140lbs
Pryor by close decision

6. vs Carmen Basilio at 147lbs
Basilio by unanimous decision in a war

7. vs Pipino Cuevas at 147lbs
Pryor off the canvas to KO Cuevas in Hagler-Hearns type war

8. vs Wilfred Benitez at 140lbs
Pryor by decision

9. vs Carlos Ortiz at 135lbs
Ortiz at 135 by decision, Pryor by decision at 140

10. vs Ismael Laguna at 135lbs
Never saw Laguna fight - no comment

11. vs Ken Buchanan at 135lbs
Pryor by late TKO

12. vs Nicolino Locche at 140lbs
Never saw Loche fight - no comment

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 25 Nov 2007, 23:23

Jaclem wrote:...hey tantum...i opened this one late..gave in to temptation...and see that you got it right and i have nothing to add

Ah.. Jaclem, getting rusty there old pal?. What you're supposed to say is: "The real fight would be between Pryor and the men trying to get him in the ring".

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 26 Nov 2007, 02:54

..ah bronc....always nice to be quoted by a respected peer..

collins....yeah, you're right about cranberry. he does have some good information about boxing history. it's just that you have to wade through all the other stuff to get to it. he's like a giuy with bad breath who spits when he talks....he may have a lot of intelligent things to say but you have to put up with the mess that goes into your face to listen to it...

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