Arthur /WBO/Guzman-Soto winner

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » 18 Nov 2007, 13:10

Max Molyneux wrote:Was It true that Guzman was 10st 8 going Into the ring?

How the feck can they fight well dehydrating so much weight?

If he was, then that's just fcuking shocking in my view. That would a weight gain of 18lbs in what, thirty hours or so? Surely, putting on so much weight would make Guzman lethargic, not as fast etc?

In light of him possibly weighing 10st 8lbs on the night, I have to ask, what does this guy have to do to make 130lbs? Fcuking not eat for a week or something!

If we didn't know any better, one would think Guzman had eaten a horse to put on so much weight in a short period. The more fighters keep doing this sort of thing, the more accidents & fatalities can occur.

Somethnig needs to be done in my view!

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 18 Nov 2007, 13:18

Rocky Balboa wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Was It true that Guzman was 10st 8 going Into the ring?

How the feck can they fight well dehydrating so much weight?
If he was, then that's just fcuking shocking in my view. That would a weight gain of 18lbs in what, thirty hours or so? Surely, putting on so much weight would make Guzman lethargic, not as fast etc?

In light of him possibly weighing 10st 8lbs on the night, I have to ask, what does this guy have to do to make 130lbs? Fcuking not eat for a week or something!

If we didn't know any better, one would think Guzman had eaten a horse to put on so much weight in a short period. The more fighters keep doing this sort of thing, the more accidents & fatalities can occur.

Somethnig needs to be done in my view!

Just watched the replay on HBO and Guzman was 148 pounds when HBO weighed him prior to entering the ring. Soto was 135.

Amazing.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 18 Nov 2007, 15:28

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Rocky Balboa wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Was It true that Guzman was 10st 8 going Into the ring?

How the feck can they fight well dehydrating so much weight?
If he was, then that's just fcuking shocking in my view. That would a weight gain of 18lbs in what, thirty hours or so? Surely, putting on so much weight would make Guzman lethargic, not as fast etc?

In light of him possibly weighing 10st 8lbs on the night, I have to ask, what does this guy have to do to make 130lbs? Fcuking not eat for a week or something!

If we didn't know any better, one would think Guzman had eaten a horse to put on so much weight in a short period. The more fighters keep doing this sort of thing, the more accidents & fatalities can occur.

Somethnig needs to be done in my view!
Just watched the replay on HBO and Guzman was 148 pounds when HBO weighed him prior to entering the ring. Soto was 135.

Amazing.

Floyd weighed in at 150 for his fight with DLH, but on fight night weighed only 148 or 149. That was for a title fight at LIGHT-MIDDLE. Incredible to think that two fighters could enter the ring at the same weight for title fights in divisions which are 4 weight classes apart!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 18 Nov 2007, 15:55

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Rocky Balboa wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Was It true that Guzman was 10st 8 going Into the ring?

How the feck can they fight well dehydrating so much weight?
If he was, then that's just fcuking shocking in my view. That would a weight gain of 18lbs in what, thirty hours or so? Surely, putting on so much weight would make Guzman lethargic, not as fast etc?

In light of him possibly weighing 10st 8lbs on the night, I have to ask, what does this guy have to do to make 130lbs? Fcuking not eat for a week or something!

If we didn't know any better, one would think Guzman had eaten a horse to put on so much weight in a short period. The more fighters keep doing this sort of thing, the more accidents & fatalities can occur.

Somethnig needs to be done in my view!
Just watched the replay on HBO and Guzman was 148 pounds when HBO weighed him prior to entering the ring. Soto was 135.

Amazing.

that is pretty sick really. I hope it's a bit controversial. If Guzman was 135 then he wouldn't have had the energy to win. Soto's basically lost to a nightmare style 2 weight divisions bigger than himself.

Guzan's got his good win - another slightly weight tainted contest - and now he must move to lightweight.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 18 Nov 2007, 19:09

Autobarn wrote:
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Rocky Balboa wrote: If he was, then that's just fcuking shocking in my view. That would a weight gain of 18lbs in what, thirty hours or so? Surely, putting on so much weight would make Guzman lethargic, not as fast etc?

In light of him possibly weighing 10st 8lbs on the night, I have to ask, what does this guy have to do to make 130lbs? Fcuking not eat for a week or something!

If we didn't know any better, one would think Guzman had eaten a horse to put on so much weight in a short period. The more fighters keep doing this sort of thing, the more accidents & fatalities can occur.

Somethnig needs to be done in my view!
Just watched the replay on HBO and Guzman was 148 pounds when HBO weighed him prior to entering the ring. Soto was 135.

Amazing.
that is pretty sick really. I hope it's a bit controversial. If Guzman was 135 then he wouldn't have had the energy to win. Soto's basically lost to a nightmare style 2 weight divisions bigger than himself.

Guzan's got his good win - another slightly weight tainted contest - and now he must move to lightweight.

I find it absolutely incredible when I hear these stories. It's absorbing enough, psycholigically, to make weight, but to put on that much on in 24 hrs, with the associated problems of grinding yourself down to an unclearly uncomfortable weight in the first place makes my mind boggle. All that and still being able to produce a performance.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Nov 2007, 04:32

I suppose Soto put little weight on by today's standards whereas Guzman put on a lot, post weigh in. Ironic to see a Bob Arum fighter so outweighed on the night.

Tykemania · Post by **Tykemania** » 19 Nov 2007, 04:50

stujones wrote:I aint been convinced about Guzman as a Super Featherweight - gets through Soto I'll be convinced. I am already convinced about Soto.

So unfortunately I can only predict PAIN for Athur if/when he faces the winner.

Sadly so; Guzman is a superb defensive fighter who also has a more than healthy pop in both hands, whereas Arthur is a straight ahead kinda guy who relies on accumulation of shots to wear down an opponent. And, lets face it, whilst fights against Gogoladze, Gulyakevich and Sinitsin are impressive on a domestic fighter's record, they mean nothing significant at world level - indeed, you could argue that his one loss, to Michael Gomez, himself always just short of the top level, is the most telling factor.

However, both are tight at Super Feather - Arthur has an incentive to stay down, namely that he would not carry a significant reputation up with him, but Guzman may well look to move up to fight Baby Bull, or to vacate to battle Pacquaio - which would leave Arthur with either Soto (WBO Number 2) or Juarez (WBO Number Three). He'd do better in those fights...

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » 19 Nov 2007, 10:16

However, both are tight at Super Feather - Arthur has an incentive to stay down, namely that he would not carry a significant reputation up with him, but Guzman may well look to move up to fight Baby Bull, or to vacate to battle Pacquaio - which would leave Arthur with either Soto (WBO Number 2) or Juarez (WBO Number Three). He'd do better in those fights...

How do we think Arthur would get on if he were to face Juarez? I think Alex would have a decent shot at beating Juarez, although Rocky has fought higher opposition.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 19 Nov 2007, 11:16

Rocky Balboa wrote:
However, both are tight at Super Feather - Arthur has an incentive to stay down, namely that he would not carry a significant reputation up with him, but Guzman may well look to move up to fight Baby Bull, or to vacate to battle Pacquaio - which would leave Arthur with either Soto (WBO Number 2) or Juarez (WBO Number Three). He'd do better in those fights...
How do we think Arthur would get on if he were to face Juarez? I think Alex would have a decent shot at beating Juarez, although Rocky has fought higher opposition.

Whilst we do not rate Juarez as highly as the JMMs. Pacs and Guzmans of the division, any fighter who can go 36 rounds with MAB and JMM and push MAB close the first time will be too much for AAA. It's all about different levels and this fight would be no more competitive than Luevano v Cook. (Doing Steve Bunce impression) Trust me!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Nov 2007, 11:58

I think Arthur would beat the plodder Juarez.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 19 Nov 2007, 12:33

Arthur would lose wide to Soto. Against Juarez he would be competitive but still fall short IMO. As has already been said AA is good Euro level and fringe world class - and there's nothing wrong with that. I hope he can get a shot at either of these two guys and prove me wrong. I wouldn't like to see him in there with Pacman, JMM or Guzman - it would be far too onesided IMO.

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » 19 Nov 2007, 13:59

Will Arthur actually get a title shot though? It seems Arthur/Warren have been talking about a title-shot for a long, long time now. One wonder when Alex will get his opportunity?

Nice guy is Arthur. I hope he proves us all wrong & defeats one of the elite champs at SFW. Alex deserve his shot, so I hope he gets one soon!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 19 Nov 2007, 14:01

they should go for Guzman who's training 4 months to get the weight off and will surely be licked by weight woes the longer he stays at 130.

I'm shocked SN are not going for this fight the way they went for Macaroni-Haye.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 19 Nov 2007, 15:51

Good call on Rocky Juarez for Arthur, i think it could be a good even money contest and a quality introduction to world class for Alex. Juarez is never going to be in the elite, he proved that in the way Barrera so easily outfoxed him in the rematch and Marquez basically shut him out

I know Rocky got cut in the opening round against Marquez and they said on commentary it may have troubled him for the rest of the fight but he was outboxed, outfought and out everything. Marquez just teed off on him all night and Juarez's cut got so bad he should have been pulled out in all honestly.

So back to the original point.....Arthur V Juarez gets a thumbs up from me.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 19 Nov 2007, 18:54

Arthur would have very little chance against Juarez. Juarez has lost only to three truly world-class fighters: Barrera (once by split decision), Soto and JMM. He went the distance each time and has proved to have a rock-solid chin. He KO'd Guty Espadas and Juan Carlos Ramirez (who KO'd Steve Robinson and twice beat Cesar Soto) and, most impressively, was the first to beat Zahir Raheem who had recently beaten Morales.

So in Juarez we're talking of someone who can bang, has a great chin and has lost only to the best and, even then, over the distance. I like AAA, but world-class fighters don't get plastered across the canvas by Michael Gomez, despite the latter having a good left hook at domestic level.

Anyway, if Guzman vacates, won't Arthur have his interim status automatically upgraded to that of full WBO champ? If so, he can probably avoid any dangerous mandatories for a while. He will eventually learn, though, that the gulf in class between Steve Foster Jr. and the likes of Rocky Juarez is huge and, for him, probably insurmountable.