Could I beat Peter Buckley?

[oliverfennell]

OK, not me exactly, as I weigh about 4st more than him, but somebody like me (profile below), pound-for-pound.

A handful of club-level amateur bouts, inactive for 10 years, a bit out of condition and with no actual ambition to box competitively, but who still knows the basics and could do 4 rounds with a bit of cardio training.

My point is, the above standard of fighter should have no business beating an experienced pro like Buckley, but is he so pre-conditioned to losing/surviving now that pretty much anybody with the basics could turn up a get a W PTS 4 over him? My point is not wondering if Buckley is better than this kind of boxer (he is), but at this stage would he even realise he had a beatable opponent in front of him?

[sweetscience]

that why i think the buckleys are no good for the SPORT

you proberly would beat him

its a joke

give me the ernie smith/billy smiths/randells of this world - they truely keep the sport going

[rhino222]

yes..they keep the sport going...with honesty !!!!!

[Mario]

Had a quick look at Ernie Smith's record and he's lost about 40 in a row and doesnt win many rounds either. What makes him any different from Buckley, does he actually come to fight?

[josh fg]

The point is not wether you can beat him if you as you say have no ambition to progress in pro boxing its about those who do and want to have there first fight and not risk loosing.

[HairyBoxe24]

You'd think they'd just take his licence away, if you trained up average people off of the street, most would beat him.

Seems anyone at all can be a 'pro boxer'.

[SticknMove]

You'd think they'd just take his licence away, if you trained up average people off of the street, most would beat him.

Seems anyone at all can be a 'pro boxer'.

one of the most ill-conceived naïve posts I have read on here.

Peter Buckley has obviously went down the road early enough in his career to decide that he’s happy with being an opponent, journeyman and taking what he can from the sport – right or wrong I am not judging him on that score.

To say that anyone can be a pro boxer – well OK anyone can as long as you show enough for the BBBC to pass you off as one. But to think that anyone can get through as many fights against good standard fighters as Buckley without being stopped or knocked out on a frequent basis reveals how little you know about the dynamics of actually taking part in the game.

What he does is extremely negative and is little more than an exercise in moving a prospect around for the duration of a fight. The prospects are mostly schooled in the game (most having some amateur pedigree). Picking someone off the street and training them (Cityboxer style) would probably have them winging away at shadows ending up so tired that the Buckmeister would end up laughing his way to a paycheque squeaking out a verdict or win by stoppage/retirement (that’s of course if he could be bothered).

[Tykemania]

OK, not me exactly, as I weigh about 4st more than him, but somebody like me (profile below), pound-for-pound.

A handful of club-level amateur bouts, inactive for 10 years, a bit out of condition and with no actual ambition to box competitively, but who still knows the basics and could do 4 rounds with a bit of cardio training.

My point is, the above standard of fighter should have no business beating an experienced pro like Buckley, but is he so pre-conditioned to losing/surviving now that pretty much anybody with the basics could turn up a get a W PTS 4 over him? My point is not wondering if Buckley is better than this kind of boxer (he is), but at this stage would he even realise he had a beatable opponent in front of him?

I doubt it - he's done a lot for the sport, I'm sure, but he's pre conditioned to survival and I suspect that, short of your lighter alter-ego getting caught by a freak shot or tiring up very badly, he'd be able to walk to a 40/36 decision quite easily.

[DavidPayne]

Ollie,

You only need to start a thread criticising Warren's business practices and you'll have the full set.

[oliverfennell]

Ollie,

You only need to start a thread criticising Warren's business practices and you'll have the full set.

Considering how difficult it was to get a press pass for Calzaghe-Kessler, I think I'll leave that one alone.

[dondada]

Peter is just about finished now. But I don't like the disrespectful tone in some posts.

Buckley would take an inactive for 10 years amateur with a handful of fights and shove him up his own arse if he wanted to.

As for anyone off the street being trained to fight him, that's again needlessly disrespectful.

I understand some of the arguments you have about the contrast between Peter and Ernie Smith but they are at rather different stages of their careers.

Some young lad on the Stoke bill on Saturday needed an opponent and Peter agreed to take it at 6pm.

Let him get to 300 and applaud him into the sunset instead of wasting time on this type of shite.

[sweetscience]

Buckley would take an inactive for 10 years amateur with a handful of fights and shove him up his own arse if he wanted to. .

thats exactly why i think he is very bad for the sport

he could beat these lads but doesnt try

[dondada]

Buckley would take an inactive for 10 years amateur with a handful of fights and shove him up his own arse if he wanted to. .

thats exactly why i think he is very bad for the sport

he could beat these lads but doesnt try

He might be able to beat some of the pros he faces...but not many. But he would certainly beat the lad described at the outset of the thread.

I understand what you're saying and follow the logic but I just don't agree.

[Podmore_Birmingham]

I saw Pete try in a four-twos against West Brom southpaw Wayne Downing at Burton’s Meadowside Leisure Centre in March.

Downing, who would be the first to admit he isn’t the greatest, looked a tad fortunate to come away with the win. I thought Pete had done enough to earn a draw.

As Buckley said to me a while ago: “I’ll give them a crack with the left hook at some stage so they don’t get too cheeky and take too many liberties."

He does plan to knock it on the head after fight 300. He’ll be sadly missed, though plans to do an Andy Mayers and start helping out Nobby’s lads.

Tom Podmore.

[sweetscience]

i just think with all his exerience he should be able to beat the majority of debutants he faces

and if you say 'who do the debutants faces then ?' ...well i think if they aint good enough to beat a limitied but trying journeyman or other simerlar pro experienced oppo, then .......... dont turn pro

[chris s]

OK, not me exactly, as I weigh about 4st more than him, but somebody like me (profile below), pound-for-pound.

A handful of club-level amateur bouts, inactive for 10 years, a bit out of condition and with no actual ambition to box competitively, but who still knows the basics and could do 4 rounds with a bit of cardio training.

My point is, the above standard of fighter should have no business beating an experienced pro like Buckley, but is he so pre-conditioned to losing/surviving now that pretty much anybody with the basics could turn up a get a W PTS 4 over him? My point is not wondering if Buckley is better than this kind of boxer (he is), but at this stage would he even realise he had a beatable opponent in front of him?

Try going to tank town shows in the mid-south in the US and there are guys with winning records who Buckley would wipe out.

Think the post is a little too negative on Peter who has done more for boxing then any of us keyboard warriors

[josh fg]

i just think with all his exerience he should be able to beat the majority of debutants he faces

and if you say 'who do the debutants faces then ?' ...well i think if they aint good enough to beat a limitied but trying journeyman or other simerlar pro experienced oppo, then .......... dont turn pro

Yes but just cos he could beat a debutant now doesn't mean that they can't go on to be better than him. Its a good start because he is a stedy pro who can show them a few tricks such as how to deal with being held, how to brake down strong defences and will expose there defence if they get over exuberant.

He is good for boxing, tell Paul Ingle and Nassim Hamed that they should fight someone better when they started out.

[josh fg]

i just think with all his exerience he should be able to beat the majority of debutants he faces

and if you say 'who do the debutants faces then ?' ...well i think if they aint good enough to beat a limitied but trying journeyman or other simerlar pro experienced oppo, then .......... dont turn pro

Yes but just cos he could beat a debutant now doesn't mean that they can't go on to be better than him. Its a good start because he is a stedy pro who can show them a few tricks such as how to deal with being held, how to brake down strong defences and will expose there defence if they get over exuberant.

He is good for boxing, tell Paul Ingle and Nassim Hamed that they should fight someone better when they started out.

Add to that Lee Meger as late as his 15th fight, Femi Fehintola (good level for a fighter of his quality to start out at) a certain John Murray Gavin Rees in his 6th Bradley Price in his 4th and Micheal GOmez in his journyman days.

All these guys are good boxers at different levels and ether they or there promoters thought they had something to gain by testing there stuff against Peter Buckley

[sweetscience]

i do see both sides of the story

i just get annoyed at how easy it is for people to become a PROFESSIONAL boxer, actually win fights, and still be shite (im not calling PB shite, but some of his oppo's)

it takes the shine of it for me

[sweetscience]

i just think with all his exerience he should be able to beat the majority of debutants he faces

and if you say 'who do the debutants faces then ?' ...well i think if they aint good enough to beat a limitied but trying journeyman or other simerlar pro experienced oppo, then .......... dont turn pro

Yes but just cos he could beat a debutant now doesn't mean that they can't go on to be better than him. Its a good start because he is a stedy pro who can show them a few tricks such as how to deal with being held, how to brake down strong defences and will expose there defence if they get over exuberant.

He is good for boxing, tell Paul Ingle and Nassim Hamed that they should fight someone better when they started out.

Add to that Lee Meger as late as his 15th fight, Femi Fehintola (good level for a fighter of his quality to start out at) a certain John Murray Gavin Rees in his 6th Bradley Price in his 4th and Micheal GOmez in his journyman days.

All these guys are good boxers at different levels and ether they or there promoters thought they had something to gain by testing there stuff against Peter Buckley

we dont know what there promoter wanted them to gain, im sure it was in most cases for the promoter to gain ££££££££ and the boxer to retain his O

[Podmore_Birmingham]

Josh is pretty insightful there. The challenge with seeing Peter fight is not sitting there ripping the piss but seeing if the other lad just jumps about slapping the piss out of Peter's gloves or if he tries other things and shows something worth looking out for.

That is a good sign of a smart boxer and possible prospect.

Spot-on.

Pete said Stafford's Rob Hunt, 7-0 (1), is the best he's boxed for a few years. He lost a six-round decision to Hunt, then 1-0 (1), in 2006.

Tom Podmore.

[Old bones Ian]

I've seen Buckley fight quite a few times, and mostly he does put in an effort, and see's out the fight, a few times he's taken shots that other 'journymen' would have either looked for the floor or would have retired at the end of the round. Peter doesn't though.

I'm pretty much like Oliver , i've had a few amateur fights, and that was about 14 years ago, i'm in not bad shape. With a bit of training i'm sure i could do 4 rounds.
Would i like to take on a journyman such as Buckley, No i wouldn't.
Would i get in the ring for a 'white collar' match, yes i would.

[dondada]

I've seen Buckley fight quite a few times, and mostly he does put in an effort, and see's out the fight, a few times he's taken shots that other 'journymen' would have either looked for the floor or would have retired at the end of the round. Peter doesn't though.

I'm pretty much like Oliver , i've had a few amateur fights, and that was about 14 years ago, i'm in not bad shape. With a bit of training i'm sure i could do 4 rounds.
Would i like to take on a journyman such as Buckley, No i wouldn't.
Would i get in the ring for a 'white collar' match, yes i would.

That's a good summary as far as I'm concerned.

[J]

I've seen Buckley fight quite a few times, and mostly he does put in an effort, and see's out the fight, a few times he's taken shots that other 'journymen' would have either looked for the floor or would have retired at the end of the round. Peter doesn't though.

I'm pretty much like Oliver , i've had a few amateur fights, and that was about 14 years ago, i'm in not bad shape. With a bit of training i'm sure i could do 4 rounds.
Would i like to take on a journyman such as Buckley, No i wouldn't.
Would i get in the ring for a 'white collar' match, yes i would.

That's a good summary as far as I'm concerned.

a but the question is Ian could he get monstered til 5 in the morning and still hit the pads in my back garden with such fluidity as you did post Haye Thompson.....a feat not yet repeated...i hasten to add.

[dondada]

I've seen Buckley fight quite a few times, and mostly he does put in an effort, and see's out the fight, a few times he's taken shots that other 'journymen' would have either looked for the floor or would have retired at the end of the round. Peter doesn't though.

I'm pretty much like Oliver , i've had a few amateur fights, and that was about 14 years ago, i'm in not bad shape. With a bit of training i'm sure i could do 4 rounds.
Would i like to take on a journyman such as Buckley, No i wouldn't.
Would i get in the ring for a 'white collar' match, yes i would.

That's a good summary as far as I'm concerned.

a but the question is Ian could he get monstered til 5 in the morning and still hit the pads in my back garden with such fluidity as you did post Haye Thompson.....a feat not yet repeated...i hasten to add.

Well, we all have our great nights and that was one of my best.

The price was certainly paid the following day...